[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[bob fleming]

There's also a very good / scathing piece by Andy Dunn on Rovers / Hughes.

Found it about halfway down. "You're heading for a fall, Hughes"

[thenodrog]

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_...-name_page.html

A bit about Chris Ronnie and takeover online now

From that article......

"The Trustees are looking for around £35million for the club.

Ronnie and his consortium - as first revealed by People Sport - want to buy the club and hand over a kitty for players this summer.

If Ronnie and his group can buy Rovers soon it could also head off possible sales of key players such as David Bentley or Roque Santa Cruz."

Alternatively if Ronnie and his consortium or Uncle Tom Cobley and all were to stump up 35m for just a month or two then the sale of RSC, Bentley and Warnock will seem em buy in for nowt. Big Sam in to fight next seasons relegation battle and simply keep us in the to flight and anothr 35 million turns up every year. Sweet.

Why don't we do it?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Just as an aside I had always thought Newell and Shearer didn't get on?

Shearer for manager is very difficult. My head says we should be looking for someone with a bit of managerial experience. Earlier I posted I was against the idea but I'm beginning to wonder. My heart is thinking back to the last time we had a really BIG buzz, something to make the soccer world look up and take note. I was in the outside lane of the M62 when it was announced Dalglish had arrived......and nearly hit the central reservation. Alan Shearer as manager would come close to that. It is a long time since I felt the nervous anticipation in my stomach about Rovers, Shearer still has that effect and the emotional aspect of him returning to Ewood could be amazing.

What would Jack do? His favourite son returning? For simple gut feeling the most exciting player I've seen in a Rovers shirt. It could be the right move and with the right back up team? If the story is true and IF Williams thinks Shearer is the right choice this could really set the town and club buzzing again.

Rovers have already been managed by Scotland's finest striker, why not one of England's?

I'm starting to think the same way Paul.If Shearer gets the right men with him(I did say I was worried about his lack of experience) this could be very successful and will certainly put bums on seats down at Ewood this coming season,the town really would be buzzing again.

Its a gamble but I suppose so is life to an extent but lets put it this way THE WHOLE OF BLACKBURN WOULD BE RIGHT BEHIND HIM!

[RevidgeBlue]

Some interesting stories in the News of the Screws this morning.....

Santa Cruz to United with £10 Million and Saha coming this way.

Samba to Sevilla for £3.5 million.

Bentley to City for £15 Million.

Olsonn to City for £5 Million.

The RSC story didn't claim it was 10m plus Saha, it was Saha being the makeweight in a transfer valued at 10m. In total. Well undervaluing RSC imo.

Likewise I think they've missed a nought off Samba's value. "Besieged Blackburn was the intro."

The Bentley valuation is about right. The NOTW also linked him with Mourinho and Inter.

I think Olsson looks extremely promising but if Sparky rated him so highly, why didn't he play him????

The Sunday Mirror claims Jason Roberts is to be offered a 2 year extension to his contract.

No incoming rumours.

The new man isn't half going to have his work cut out initially.

[bringdunnback]

So it seems the Hughes leaving may be a good thing in terms of a takeover, how long could it be before they come in nicko? If they want to appoint the manager, it should be within two weeks.

[nicko]

So it seems the Hughes leaving may be a good thing in terms of a takeover, how long could it be before they come in nicko? If they want to appoint the manager, it should be within two weeks.

I feel Hughes's leaving was a bit of an inevitability. Just can't believe where he went...he will find out what he let himself in for soon - if he hasn't found out already.

On the potential takeover...it would take a month at least from being given a 'period of exclusivity' to knowing whether a deal would be done.

That's a good thing from both sides. It would be better to hurry for some reasons, but in the bigger picture it would definitely be better to do it right - no matter how long that takes.

Waiting to hear if the 'period of exclusivity' has been agreed to. It requires quite a lot of money as a kind of deposit.

Obviously the club can't wait on his appointment of a manager because of this...or the sale of players.

It is also vital to establish who is putting the money up in Chris Ronnie's team - and why.

[Bobby G]

In your article you mentioned they want to conclude the deal before a manager is appointed, so how is that possible Nicko?

[philipl]

The fact they are the only show in town and cannot even get to a point of exclusivity makes me think that the Ronnie group are a long way short.

[nicko]

In your article you mentioned they want to conclude the deal before a manager is appointed, so how is that possible Nicko?

That is what THEY want in an ideal world...but it won't happen.

The clock is ticking on the managerial thing and won't be stopped for them.

[nicko]

The fact they are the only show in town and cannot even get to a point of exclusivity makes me think that the Ronnie group are a long way short.

There's a very good reason for the slow progress - but I won't go into that yet. It wouldn't be helpful.

[philipl]

That is what THEY want in an ideal world...but it won't happen.

The clock is ticking on the managerial thing and won't be stopped for them.

Will they be consulted?

[Darth Paul]

That is what THEY want in an ideal world...but it won't happen.

The clock is ticking on the managerial thing and won't be stopped for them.

Are there any fears that it would lead to a similar situation as at Newcastle where Allardyce was appointed just before Mike Ashley got in, and clearly wasn't his man, or can we presume that it will be ok because of the differing personalities of our respective (potential) new owners?

Gettign someone in on big money who the new owners may not want would be a diaster for the Club on a few different levels, will the next appointment be made with the new owners in mind?

[nicko]

Will they be consulted?

Doubt it - but not sure.

[nicko]

Are there any fears that it would lead to a similar situation as at Newcastle where Allardyce was appointed just before Mike Ashley got in, and clearly wasn't his man, or can we presume that it will be ok because of the differing personalities of our respective (potential) new owners?

Gettign someone in on big money who the new owners may not want would be a diaster for the Club on a few different levels, will the next appointment be made with the new owners in mind?

Always possible, but it depends on who the club appoints. If it's a good manager, no-one would object to that. If it's a controversial one then they might not like the idea. In that case they might even scrap their plans.

[Plastic Head]

My thoughts on the Shearer option is that his interest may wane as details of his transfer budget are revealed to him.

Perhaps he could bring someone with some cash with him as owners but the time-scale would be to short to do that surely...?

[RevidgeBlue]

Always possible, but it depends on who the club appoints. If it's a good manager, no-one would object to that. If it's a controversial one then they might not like the idea. In that case they might even scrap their plans.

Crikey Alan, one would hope for a lot more commitment than that from prospective new owners.

[tony gale's mic]

Dalglish inherited the old "boot room" setup at Liverpool. Him becoming manager was a continuation of the old regime, he knew the old system exactly and it was just a matter of not messing with a winning formula

the right backroom staff as i have already mentioned shearer could not do the same ?

Name me one manager who has gone from a position like Shearer's into managing a top club (without being there immediately before because as I've said thats a different situation).

keegan did pretty well with newcastle fisrt time around , he built his success with what i would call the " a buzz factor " also roy keane got sunderland up and kept them up

There is NO relation between being a great player and being a great manager. Most great managers weren't brilliant players. So many of you seem incapable of understanding this.

quite true as bobby charlton , bryan robson and david platt would testify , but the squad we have without bentley and santa cruz if he goes would are still good enough to stay up no matter who's in charge , shearer would only add to what is decent enough sqaud with players that would be drawn by his magnetism

So since there's no relation, would you feel the same about Shearer as if I picked some random name from Blackburn's past?

there is no-one else from blackburns past exept dalglish that would :

a) capture the imagination of the blackburn fans

convince the best of the players we have , who ,just might be thinking of leaving to stay

c) attract the kind of players me , you and every other rovers fan want to see at the club

d) attract the outside investors to the club

e) raise the clubs profile, maybe we can even get on match of the day before 1130pm ha ha

Both Keane and Keegan spent a lot of money in their first seasons. Keane spent over £40 million - you would expect a man to keep Sunderland up after that. Keegans inexperience came very much to the fore when he let slip that massive lead to United too. Shearer would have one of the most difficult tasks in English football - to keep us a top half side. And the Premiership is a very different place since the days of Keegan.

"the squad we have without bentley and santa cruz are good enough to stay up no matter who's in charge"

...then why are we even having this discussion?! Of course it matters who's in charge. Firstly we don't just want to aim to "stay up" we want to carry on maintaining our position at least. And also - isn't that what people said of the side which Brian Kidd inherited?!

"players would be drawn by his magnetism" - Christ's sakes he's not a magician. Players get much more drawn by a manager who does the job, by a manager who gets tactics right and most importantly who WINS MATCHES than they do by someone's percieved "magnetism". Have you ever met the man? I don't think we can really say he has this magnetism unless we know him reasonably well. Indeed he's rubbed many people up the wrong way during his career.

And your a) to f) means very little. The imagination of the Blackburn fans won't be around if we're hovering around the relegation places in November. A man like Henk ten Cate with all his European links is far more likely to attract the kind of players we want to the club. Most players in their right minds would have severe doubts playing for a rookie manager at a small club like ours. Our clubs profile won't be raised if we're losing matches.

We need a manager who will win us games, who wil maintain our position as a top half side, this is such a crucial appointment. All this buzz you're talking about is short term thinking at its worst. If we have a bad start to the season (and this is quite likely... he's a new manager, in every job a man needs to find his feet and in no other profession would you stick a rookie right at the top) then all this talk of buzz, of magnetism, all this excitement WILL evapourate and we'll just be left with a novice managing our side.

[nicko]

Crikey Alan, one would hope for a lot more commitment than that from prospective new owners.

I said 'might' - I was thinking of one candidate in particular whose appointment would stop their interest.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Shearer and Newell are pretty close from what i gather.

On the takeover it sounds like they are still interested if they have met Rothschilds four times. But i guess its still very early days.

Does anyone know anything about this former newcastle guy Tommy Craig?

[RevidgeBlue]

I said 'might' - I was thinking of one candidate in particular whose appointment would stop their interest.

Ooooooh!

Cryptic clue time?

[nicko]

Ooooooh!

Cryptic clue time?

Would you want to buy a company that just employed someone who brings 32 backroom staff with them...

[Antgrad]

Dalglish inherited the old "boot room" setup at Liverpool. Him becoming manager was a continuation of the old regime, he knew the old system exactly and it was just a matter of not messing with a winning formula.

The others were national team managers, which is very different from the day to day life of a Premiership manager, with signings, weekly or twice weekly matches etc etc.

So it would be ridiculous to appoint a guy with only National Team Management experience as its so different to the day to day life of a Premiership manager?

Mark Hughes?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Would you want to buy a company that just employed someone who brings 32 backroom staff with them...

[Beta Ray Bill]

Does anyone know anything about this former newcastle guy Tommy Craig?

Rather spookily he's been my assistant manager at Rovers on FM for the last few months (July 2009 gametime). Bit conservative in his outlook and doens't like taking risks with signings.

[Iceman]

Nicko do u think it would be wise on JW's part,to appoint a new manager before a take over deal is concluded.i just fear that if Ronnie takes over,then he might just want his own man in charge,which could ultimately be the wrong man for Rovers.