[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[RevidgeBlue]

Another surprisingly fickle fan crawling out of the woodwork to reveal himself. Support the team, not the manager.

Exactly.

Put me in a minority of one. If the shortlist is indeed Shearer, Ince, Allardyce and Martinez I'd be delighted given the names that have been linked with.

Ince is my first choice. Shearer and Allardyce probably my next two choices in that order. Martinez would represent a huge gamble, might be inspired but would surely be a sign that funding is likely to be tighter than a gnat's chuff.

The hysteria about HTC and Laudrup possibly not being interviewed is ridiculous. I think HTC would be totally wrong at this stage, We have a number of star players poised by the exit door and "Mr. Angry" comes in. Disastrous.

We don't even know if Laudrup is interested in the job.

[liam]

Sorry, but I cant believe what I am reading here. No to Sam A … but yes to Martinez & Gary Johnson. Who have never managed in the top flight, haven’t played in the premiership and have never dealt with big name players and the whole zoo that follows them.

Its this easy, stop up- playing supposed boring football and consolidate in the top ten. Or appoint on inexperienced cheaper nobody and possibly get relegated.

thank you,i thought i was the only one thinking that.being a rovers fan isnt something you switch off or on,rovers thick and thin.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Agree with you in principle but I would want to see Gary Johnson being given a go, he's got experience and has done well at every level so far, he's definitely earned his chance.

Martinez on the other hand is a novice who has done well for a season and a half in League Two. Madness.

Okay name me a manager with no previous premiership managerial , playing experience or international credentials. Who has consolidated or bettered his teams postion within the league?

[Roversider]

Agree with you in principle but I would want to see Gary Johnson being given a go, he's got experience and has done well at every level so far, he's definitely earned his chance.

Martinez on the other hand is a novice who has done well for a season and a half in League Two. Madness.

Gary Johnson was successful at international level, has a wide experience and his teams play good football, Martinez is a wild card but may well be a top man in the future. Potential though - there are others who would also carry that tag who have more credibility.

[tony gale's mic]

Okay name me a manager with no previous premiership managerial , playing experience or international credentials. Who has consolidated or bettered his teams postion within the league?

David Moyes.

And Johnson has international credentials.

[RovertheHill]

It's interesting. What for some on here is Head (BFS) vs Heart (Shearer). Can Allardyce repeat the job he did at Bolton - I don't think it's clear he can? Don't forget he needed years to sort out Bolton and when he finally got them to a point where they could grind out results it was like watching paint dry. His one interesting signing was Anelka. Newcastle proved he's a one-trick pony and when the weight of expectation didn't give him the time he needed he had no plan B. BFS will lose us up to 5k on gates by the end of the season - something we cannot afford. A Shearer ticket (and I think the coaching team will be an important part of that) may well add 5k.

[Tom 1]

This always happens when clubs lose managers, you see who the real fans are. I remember Graham Taylor second stint....David O'Dreary, lots of people disappeared then when the going got tough.

Agree with anyone saying it's about the team and not the manager.

[Hasta]

Sorry son: "fickle fan...woodwork" you could not be more wrong.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

You're the one stopping supporting your team just because you don't agree with the choice of manager made by the board. You're the one going to send your season ticket back if Allardyce is appointed before you've even seen his Rovers team kick a ball. That to me is immensely fickle. The fact is that you, and other people who are also this fickle in their support of the Rovers, are only showing themselves for what they are now we are in this situation hence are coming out of the woodwork.

This is obviously a pivotal time for Rovers. Whichever way the wind blows over the next 12 months it's a time when the players and the club will probably need all our support. It's good to know that if it's Allardyce then when we're all at Ewood trying to roar the boys on, you'll be at home sniffing your coffee.

[Brownie]

Like Tim Sherwood said " Alan Shearer has not taken his coaching badges for no reason"

He also said he saw managerial potential in him from being 24.

The man has seen it all, captained his country, worked under the only King I have ever served under and yet some of us dont think he is worthy to lead us.

In a years time our only worry will be losing him to a bigger club.

[The Prof.]

This argument simply does not work. Hell I'm a Shearer fan, I don't hold one ounce of malice towards him for leaving, he left to join the club he supported as a boy.

But:

1. Your thinking of Shearer attracting the best players only is revelant until the end of August. If after that we perform poorly in the league due to having an inexperienced manager, I guarantee you none of those players will want to join our club.

2. The main limiting factor to us attracting top names isn't because of our manager's fame or lack of, it's the amount of money we have.

3. Players were attracted by Shearer as they wanted to play in the same team as him - he had a proven record of scoring goals. He does not have a proven record of being a good manager.

4. Bobby Charlton was one of the best players we've ever had, look how his managerial career turned out. Alan Ball, World Cup winner. Look at Jose Mourinho, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Phil Scolari, Guus Hiddink - very average playing careers. Shearer being a brilliant player does not count one bit.

Heck Didn't know he played for us - when was that?

[liam]

It's interesting. What for some on here is Head (BFS) vs Heart (Shearer). Can Allardyce repeat the job he did at Bolton - I don't think it's clear he can? Don't forget he needed years to sort out Bolton and when he finally got them to a point where they could grind out results it was like watching paint dry. His one interesting signing was Anelka. Newcastle proved he's a one-trick pony and when the weight of expectation didn't give him the time he needed he had no plan B. BFS will lose us up to 5k on gates by the end of the season - something we cannot afford. A Shearer ticket (and I think the coaching team will be an important part of that) may well add 5k.

but we dont need sorting out as bolton did and also the newcastle job has proved to be suicide for recent managers not just bfs

[Roversider]

This always happens when clubs lose managers, you see who the real fans are. I remember Graham Taylor second stint....David O'Dreary, lots of people disappeared then when the going got tough.

Agree with anyone saying it's about the team and not the manager.

I'd forgotten abot the out of work Oirishman, he couldn't have appled - could he?

Anyway, I'd still be there if Jim Iley returned.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

And Johnson has international credentials.

Resigned after drawring with San marino

[tony gale's mic]

Resigned after drawring with San marino

Thanks wikipedia. He was managing Latvia for christs' sakes, hardly a footballing power. But its more international credentials than most managers have. He's succeeded in a lot of his other jobs.

[Tom 1]

I'd forgotten abot the out of work Oirishman, he couldn't have appled - could he?

Anyway, I'd still be there if Jim Iley returned.

To be honest, genuinly speaking here, if you could put a mute button on him or if you all turn off MOTD when his interviews start, then at least DOL would be better then Allardyce, I actually mean that. He might have applied he's gagging for a job lol.

I wasn't a fan of him but wasn't a hater either, he tries to play good football and he brings through young kids and scouts good youngsters as well, O'Neill got some of the benefit of that with people like Agbonlahor, and Steven Davis before we sold him. It was more than money that was DOL's problem here, it was his weird relationship with Doug Ellis, very on and off and lots of squabbling.

As an example, I know you aren't a rich club, but DOL wasn't even allowed to extend Eirik Bakke's loan here from January until the end of the season because Ellis wouldn't pay 10k a week for his wages.

I won't patronise people and say he's the best manager ever, but you could do worse than O'Leary, and he'd be better than that shortlist which aside from Shearer is very uninteresting and in some cases...frightening.

[herbergeehh]

I think Spain, Netherlands and France showed new blood.

Fabregas, Villa, Torres, Benzema, Engelaar, Gomis, David Silva

all of them quite young players.

Engelaar is 28.

New blood, Russia showed quite a few. I look forward to seeing Zhirkov, Bystrov and Sychev more, and their young goalkeeper Akinfeev.

Italy will show the talents of Cassano and Aquilani later on I am sure.

[alexanders]

Engelaar is 28.

I'm surprised. Never heard about him before.

Where does he play?

[bob fleming]

Like Tim Sherwood said " Alan Shearer has not taken his coaching badges for no reason"

He also said he saw managerial potential in him from being 24.

The man has seen it all, captained his country, worked under the only King I have ever served under and yet some of us dont think he is worthy to lead us.

In a years time our only worry will be losing him to a bigger club.

I don't understand it either Brownie. All I can say is that amongst the Rovers fans I know away from this MessageBoard everyone's pro Shearer.

It'll take more than one year by the way to prove himself. He's inheriting a bloody good team.

I'm done. Let's see who we get in.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Thanks wikipedia. He was managing Latvia for christs' sakes, hardly a footballing power. But its more international credentials than most managers have. He's succeeded in a lot of his other jobs.

And you truly believe that the likes of Bentley, MCcarthy will respect Johnson? and he will get the best out of them; or even more importunely , will he be able to attract the calibre of player that will consolidate our position in the premiership top 10 ( we have trouble as it is, been a poor northern town)

[John]

tony gale mic - you seem totally against Shearer. You are counter arguing every positive post on him as him if he is the most hated man in football.

You could end up a very unhappy man.....

[Roversider]

Engelaar is 28.

New blood, Russia showed quite a few. I look forward to seeing Zhirkov, Bystrov and Sychev more, and their young goalkeeper Akinfeev.

Italy will show the talents of Cassano and Aquilani later on I am sure.

Thought Bystrov was poor and deserved the hook, amazed that Jonathan Pearce thought he was good - what a muppet. Still the Russkis have a very young team and they did for England .......

Hope the Azurri recover but I'm up for the Dutch and the Oranje.

Wonder if the change of manager might encourage Andre to stay at Ewood?

[RovertheHill]

but we dont need sorting out as bolton did and also the newcastle job has proved to be suicide for recent managers not just bfs

If you think BFS will come in and change nothing then you're going to be in for a shock. And as for Newcastle, they were in freefall under BFS with a team that included proven premiership players like Owen, Viduka, Martins, Smith, Milner, Dyer and Barton because they couldn't play the way he wanted. And before I get the equally "hysterical" accusations that I'm fickle I have already got my 3 season tickets and I'll be there regardless. However, for the money I've paid I want some excitement and to be entertained and if his previous teams are any indication that won't be the case with BFS. I'll go further - I think we've more chance of going down under Allardyce than we have under Shearer

[nicko]

I mentioned a few times before that Chelsea was chaos behind the scenes, which was very relevant to the botched Sparky bid. Some seemed to think this was 'guesswork' or irrelevant.

I think this article is the best I have seen and explains the kind of nonsense that is going on there right now. It is no wonder they cannot land a manager with this kind of politics going on.

Worth a read although you might need to go through it a few times to get it - I had to.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle4100028.ece

[Torgeir]

Engelaar is 28.

New blood, Russia showed quite a few. I look forward to seeing Zhirkov, Bystrov and Sychev more, and their young goalkeeper Akinfeev.

Italy will show the talents of Cassano and Aquilani later on I am sure.

Zhirkov really stood out against Spain earlier today...would love to see him play for us. Arshavin will show his worth against Sweden and guide Russia to the semi final.

About the list of four: Seems like Rovers want to go British again, but I hope they interview Ten Cate and Laudrup too, although Laudrup is still a bit unproven in my opinion.

[RibbleValleyRover]

You're the one going to send your season ticket back if Allardyce is appointed before you've even seen his Rovers team kick a ball. That to me is immensely fickle. The fact is that you, and other people who are also this fickle in their support of the Rovers, are only showing themselves for what they are now we are in this situation hence are coming out of the woodwork.

Its not as easy or clear cut as that. Preston Blue has pumped thousands of pounds into a club he has supported all his life. He is not a new or young fan, or not one of these fans that changes allegiance every year to another club, nor is he a glory supporter.

I can perfectly see his point about BFS, many Rovers fans will share his views as do a lot of people who support other clubs or follow football.

If the BFS Sam is appointed i am going to struggle in trying to give him my support, the guy in my opinion is an utter scumbag who shouldn't be anywhere near the club. And i won't be the only one.

I don't buy into this support the manager or else you aren't a fan rubbish.