[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[Roversider]

I mentioned a few times before that Chelsea was chaos behind the scenes, which was very relevant to the botched Sparky bid. Some seemed to think this was 'guesswork' or irrelevant.

I think this article is the best I have seen and explains the kind of nonsense that is going on there right now. It is no wonder they cannot land a manager with this kind of politics going on.

Worth a read although you might need to go through it a few times to get it - I had to.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle4100028.ece

Read that today and thought it was a good effort, the Times seems to get some thoughtful articles. I always thought that Roman was influenced by other things than results, otherwise Arnessen would be gone by now. What a carry on.

Where does this leave Kenyon?

[herbergeehh]

I'm surprised. Never heard about him before.

Where does he play?

Captain of FC Twente. Solid player from what I've seen, certainly adds a physical presence.. With small, creative players like van der Vaart and Sneijder in their midfield, he actually looks like a really good inclusion.

[Hasta]

RibbleValleyRover

Another one out the woodwork.

I don't like or want BFS. I'm not ditching my support for the team just cos we employ him. The same as I didnt ditch it when we employed Robbie Savage who was public enemy number 1 at the time. As was David Batty many years ago .....

[philipl]

Do we know if Johnson applied? I am sure there must be at least one significant dark horse who is running strongly well under the radar not that I'd expect Johnson to be in anything except the 30 whose credentials were analysed but put to one side.

For what it is worth, there seems to be a very big buzz about Martinez in general- every hardened old hack who has trekked down to the DVLA seems to have fallen under the guy's spell so I am pleased Rovers are having a serious look at him.

I have posted my preferences and my concerns on here in so far as any of us know anything about the candidates.

But I am a Rovers supporter and whoever gets selected, I will still be a Rover and looking and hoping for the very best for our wonderful football club.

[gumboots]

I already have my season ticket too. Paid in full but if allardyce is manager I personally won't use it. I'm not a knee jerk reaction person normally but this appointment would just be totally unacceptable to me. I just hope Nicko's sources have got this wrong and there really is someone on the shortlist we could appoint who would not polarise opinion like this. However, he has got so much stuff right that you have to be seriously concerned if you don't want allardyce (or shearer) because we seem to be in a fairly hopeless situation in terms of choice.

[nicko]

Where does this leave Kenyon?

Collecting runners-up medals.

Bet Sparky wishes he knew that he had little influence a couple of weeks back...

[RibbleValleyRover]

RibbleValleyRover

Another one out the woodwork.

Where have i Categorically said i would stop supporting the club?

[The Prof.]

Just a couple of points for what it's worth.

1. General Panic

We've interviewed - thats all, and could carry on interviewing. You can only interview those available at the time. It may be some wouldn't be available for a little while yet or at least not this quick - JW said we will keep interviewing. We interviewed Hughes 4 times I think. All realistic candidates will be asked back

If we're in a rush to appoint it means we need to stop players leaving who we want to keep or we want to buy while the window is open. Either way this is a good thing. Unless we get it wrong through rushing.

2. The Board

Up to now they have done nothing wrong except wring City out of £5 million odd quid which they don't have. How did they do that? It sounds illegal but is quite ethical as I think it's better in our hands than Franks. Now that supposes it is Franks and not the people of Thailand or the grubby Mancs (Who if they have not realised already are in effect the ultimate owner of......a big if not fatal debt if it goes wrong.)

The split in the board is a problem but this may also work for us, but it may not. Nicko's 'turkeys' have a lot of reasons to be in charge of a spending club and will push the trustees to maintain the progress under Hughes. This though is where the problem for Hughes (and future managers) is. One Director telling you one thing (anyone wonder why the £10m fighting fund reports have suddenly gone quiet?), and another telling you another (We'll call them the Cheap and Cheerful Group) is the one thing that will piXX of an honourable man quicker than anything and cause us real problems.

Is it a bad split Nicko?

3. I think Shearer would look to be replacing Keegan within 18 months. However as Jack Walker tried to make him manager that will do for me and might just give us a little time to sort things out Boardroom and Takeover wise. However - are the Barcodes in any better state than us financially MA seems a little unstable and tight!

[Hasta]

Woodwork alley tonight.

[Roversider]

I don't buy into this support the manager or else you aren't a fan rubbish.

Who said you had to support the manager to be a fan? It's the shirt, the name and the history not a passing individual.

We all have different views so I'm pretty chilled about the whole affair. We won't get Sam Allardyce.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Who said you had to support the manager to be a fan?.

Hasta for one, and others in this thread have posted so.

[Roversider]

Collecting runners-up medals.

Bet Sparky wishes he knew that he had little influence a couple of weeks back...

Suspect he eventually worked that one out! Jenyon is one heck of an expensive gofer. Still I guess the Russki can afford his foibles. I remain firmly ABC, Anyone But Chelsea.

[Ben-2000]

RibbleValleyRover

Another one out the woodwork.

I don't like or want BFS. I'm not ditching my support for the team just cos we employ him. The same as I didnt ditch it when we employed Robbie Savage who was public enemy number 1 at the time. As was David Batty many years ago .....

These "i'm not going if we get him" type fans will quietly return if we get a few good results at the beginning of the season.

For the record I don't want Fat Sam either but if they appointed him I would still be there cheering on our team just as I have done since I was 7 years old.

[gumboots]

These "i'm not going if we get him" type fans will quietly return if we get a few good results at the beginning of the season.

For the record I don't want Fat Sam either but if they appointed him I would still be there cheering on our team just as I have done since I was 7 years old.

No I wouldn't. I'm not even sure I'd turn up even if we won the league and both cups if that man was manager. Not that there'd be any chance of it but you have to cover all bases. I'm not fickle. I loathe allardyce.

[Roversider]

Hasta for one, and others in this thread have posted so.

Trick is to stick with the team through thick and thin, that's the proof of a diehard fan - or idiot - depending on your viewpoint I guess I fit both

[Hasta]

Hasta for one, and others in this thread have posted so.

No I didn't. When did I say that.

I categorically was the first one to say "support the team not the manager."

[Hasta]

No I wouldn't. I'm not even sure I'd turn up even if we won the league and both cups if that man was manager. Not that there'd be any chance of it but you have to cover all bases. I'm not fickle. I loathe allardyce.

So you hate Allardyce more than you love Rovers.

Fickle.

(disclaimer for people only reading last few posts - I DO NOT want Allardyce. However I will not stop going down and send my season ticket back if we get him.)

[tony gale's mic]

tony gale mic - you seem totally against Shearer. You are counter arguing every positive post on him as him if he is the most hated man in football.

You could end up a very unhappy man.....

I'm totally against him as manager. I feel that if these opinion polls hadnt shown him to be the overwhelming favourite then the board probably wouldnt have considered him to the same degree.

I have nothing against the man though (don't think much of his punditry abilities) and unlike quite a few Rovers fans, am not bitter about his departure all those years ago.

[Blue n White Rover]

Bloody ridiculous that Rovers are not going to interview Ten Cate first. From the names that have been said and with Nicko saying Ten Cate has applied he should be clear favourite. He is what we need, he can take the club on to the next level. Martinez, Ince may have done well for there clubs but we are in the premiership, its a complete different ball game. Shearer will need an experienced backroom staff with him which I doubt he has, so that is another NO. These managers will not be able to take us to that next level, which is competing for a top 6 finish consistantly with a low budget.

Martinez and Ince wont be able to attract big name and quality players, its the famous old saying again buy division 1 players, get division 1 football. Im afraid it is worrying times ahead for Rovers and people may think im already jumping on to conclusions before an appointment has been made but the fact is the names that have been mentioned has to be a BIG worry for every fan. There maybe a positive spin on it but realistically looking at the candidates i'd be worried, very worried.

Lets jus hope JW and the board have the right mind to appoint the correct man, who I believe is Henk Ten Cate.

[Ben-2000]

No I wouldn't. I'm not even sure I'd turn up even if we won the league and both cups if that man was manager. Not that there'd be any chance of it but you have to cover all bases. I'm not fickle. I loathe allardyce.

I was gonna say - fat sam, fat chance!

[RovertheHill]

Woodwork alley tonight.

Are you sure YOU'RE not BFS in disguise

[spencey7]

but we dont need sorting out as bolton did and also the newcastle job has proved to be suicide for recent managers not just bfs

Considering Allardyce as the "safest" bet is complete insanity. As has been pointed out elsewhere on this thread, he and his style are so unpopular that fans will turn on him at the very first inkling of a dip in form. He'll be ousted before the season is over, and someone else (Shearer...?) will have to try to keep us up.

SAM ALLARDYCE CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO MANAGE THIS CLUB.

[Hasta]

Are you sure YOU'RE not BFS in disguise

You put doubt in my mind but I've just jumped on the scales and I'm still only 12 stone.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Ok - watched with some amusement around the BFS/Shearer/Ince/Martinez debate - but must admit can't make my own mind up - so a split in the board room is understandable.

For me we have one safe choice - which would be BFS - proven track record of dealing with a club with little money. Big down side is his style of football.

Ince/Martinez - both outside bets - that could prove to be excellent managers that surprise everyone and take us to the next level. Huge gamble - but at the end of the day we can't attract a Mourinho or Wenger - we have to hope we can pick up a rock, polish it and hope its a diamond (a bit like our player transfer policy under Hughes).

Shearer - must admit I am intrigued by the potential with Shearer. Not because I think he will necessarily be a great tactician - but I do think he will attract and motivate players. The one thing he will do - which must attract certain members of our board - is raise the profile of the club to levels we haven't seen since Jack's days. I must admit it gives me a buzz just to think about it.

For me the dream ticket would be Shearer partnered with an experienced coach - I would actually go for McClaren - though I would doubt he would accept such an arrangement. In principle it reminds me of Dalglish and Harford - one being the figure head and motivator - the other helping with the tactical side. For those that criticise McClaren - he didn't do a bad job as No 2 to Fergie

[gumboots]

So you hate Allardyce more than you love Rovers.

Fickle.

(disclaimer for people only reading last few posts - I DO NOT want Allardyce. However I will not stop going down and send my season ticket back if we get him.)

No. My support for the club remains in that i have given them the cash I would normally give. i spend nothing when I get there. If the shop gets sorted out I'll probably buy goods there still and the only thing they'll miss will be me sitting quietly in my seat and cheering when we score. i don't leap anout like a mad thing shouting and singing anyway - not my style - so they won't miss my support in the sense of my contributing significantly to the noise level. I just won't be there.