[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[Ben-2000]

SAM ALLARDYCE CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO MANAGE THIS CLUB.

In my opinion SAM ALLARDYCE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO MANAGE THIS CLUB. Williams and co arn't stupid and I have faith in them.

One way or the other though I will still be there next season and hate the lack of football during the summer months (and no i'm not watching the EURO's!)

[Hasta]

No. My support for the club remains in that i have given them the cash I would normally give. i spend nothing when I get there. If the shop gets sorted out I'll probably buy goods there still and the only thing they'll miss will be me sitting quietly in my seat and cheering when we score. i don't leap anout like a mad thing shouting and singing anyway - not my style - so they won't miss my support in the sense of my contributing significantly to the noise level. I just won't be there.

I still don't get it.

So you'd still support the Rovers and contribute financially. You'd still want them to do well and you'd still pay for your ticket but you wouldn't go and watch them?

Is that because you wouldn't want to watch the style of football? I can't think of any other reason for your non-attendance then. Therefore you wouldn't watch them on Sky I presume.

(disclaimer for people only reading last few posts - I DO NOT want Allardyce. However I will not stop going down and send my season ticket back if we get him.)

[Blue n White Rover]

In my opinion SAM ALLARDYCE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO MANAGE THIS CLUB. Williams and co arn't stupid and I have faith in them.

One way or the other though I will still be there next season and hate the lack of football during the summer months (and no i'm not watching the EURO's!)

I'd rather have BFS than Martinez and Ince!

Atleast that way we are guarenteed Premier League football every season.

[thenodrog]

I already have my season ticket too. Paid in full but if allardyce is manager I personally won't use it. I'm not a knee jerk reaction person normally but this appointment would just be totally unacceptable to me. I just hope Nicko's sources have got this wrong and there really is someone on the shortlist we could appoint who would not polarise opinion like this. However, he has got so much stuff right that you have to be seriously concerned if you don't want allardyce (or shearer) because we seem to be in a fairly hopeless situation in terms of choice.

Tell you what gumboots why dont you just clear off now and give us all a break. I know that you are a woman and that I should maybe offer some latitude BUT I've got to say that I've never heard such pathetic, irrational and infantile rubbish in all my born days. You continually state for no apparent reason that BFS is loathsome and makes your skin crawl? Well grow up and if I am to be honest then let me just say that you are having a similar effect on me that nails on a blackboard used to do at school.

Oh and Preston Blue you are behaving like a smacked arse too! BRFC are sailing in troubled waters through no fault of their own yet you don't offer support as most proper supporters you just threaten to take your bat and ball home if you dont get your own way. Do you think Williams is on here regularly just hanging on your every word?

BUT .... What if Allardyce came in and immedietely brought in 2/3 really exciting signings and we were playing good football, scoring plenty and winning? I'd wager you'd soon be back.... and if you weren't then who cares it'd be your own loss.

[gumboots]

I don't think they're stupid either but I do wonder if there are too many with other agendas that we know nothing about.

[CircoWill]

For the record, I don't want Allardyce as our manager either. I don't like him as a man and I don't like his style of football. However, if John Williams and the board deem him the best man to take the club forward, will I stop going or supporting Rovers? Not a chance! Having seen us beaten 5-1 at Barnsley (Kidd in charge) and seeing us lose to the likes of Bradford and Brentford at home in the 80s, I reckon I can put up with pretty much anything. IF the board appoint him, I'd give him a chance and get behind him. After all, the important thing is the club winning football matches and we're not going to aid that by not supporting them.

Sometimes, we have to realise how far we have come and how fortunate we are to support Rovers.

Managers come and go, Rovers will never die.

[philipl]

The club has a 99.9% single shareholder. If the Board malfunctions, it can be sorted easy-peasy unless the problem is Mr Matthewman.

I guess a difference of opinion is being interpretted as a "boardroom split" and is no such thing. Crikey take any six posters from brfcs.com and ask them to select the next manager and there would be differences of opinion- quite heated ones in all likelihood!

But if they had the job to select the next Rovers Manager, they would sort out a way of managing the differences and getting the information needed to fill in the boxes which are currently marked "I feel strongly about it but in reality I don't really know." And that way hopefully the subjective becomes the objective and then the impressions gained need to be tested again before appointing someone likely to be the highest paid executive in Blackburn, if not Lancashire.

Back to Martinez and he pops up here as a Sky Journalist's selection of Manager of the Season.

The guy might be in with a chance- especially if JW has just been bored rigid talking witrh AS for a couple of hours prior to seeing him.

[RovertheHill]

You put doubt in my mind but I've just jumped on the scales and I'm still only 12 stone.

Hmm, I'm not convinced answer these questions and prove yourself

Tugay has the ball just inside our half and is being closed down by an opposition midfielder. Do you shout at him to

1) pass the ball smartly along the grass to Bentley on the right

2) slide it through to Roque carving open the defence

3) kick it 60 yards to a big fat lump you've just signed for £5m from your old club

You've just been beaten by a lower placed team. Do you

1) watch the DVD and hone your fine tactical skills vowing never to be beaten that way again

2) start looking for the playmaker we are sorely lacking

3) decide we need a second spatial awareness aromatherapy vision coach - that'll do the trick

Bentley shoots 5 times from distance in the match, scoring once with a 30 yard beauty. Do you

1) congratulate him on his marvellous goal

2) b*ll*ck him for wasting 4 opportunities to kick it 60 yards to a big fat lump you've just signed for £5m from your old club

[tony gale's mic]

And you truly believe that the likes of Bentley, MCcarthy will respect Johnson? and he will get the best out of them; or even more importunely , will he be able to attract the calibre of player that will consolidate our position in the premiership top 10 ( we have trouble as it is, been a poor northern town)

I'm making the same points over and over but since noone in the pro Shearer camp has responded to them properly I shall make them again.

If Johnson comes in with fresh ideas, gets us winning games then the players will respect him. Likewise if Shearer comes in for his first training session and his inexperience shows, if he gets his tactics wrong in his first few matches and we lose, if he cant get the teamtalks right, then the players will have little respect for him. It really is that simple. Rule number 1 is respect the manager, and unless its an absolute joke of an appointment (which you could hardly describe Johnson as) any player worth his salt will do that....unless the managers starts showing himself to be incompetent.

The calibre of player?! The players with whom we've survived on so far have mostly been cast offs. Arsenal reserve player previously on loan at Norwich - he jumped at the opportunity of regular Premier League football. Out of favour Bayern striker who hadn't scored more than 5 league goals a season, centre back in Hertha Berlin's reserves...it's not like they chose us from a vast multitude of clubs. It's the fact that we were a top 10 Premier League side and offering them regular first team football that got them to come.

And higher calibre players, proven quality, we simply cannot afford. They cost £6-7 million and above. And if we're doing badly in the league they won't want to come anyway. If we're contending for the European slots they may want to come.

All this Shearer attracting players talk is utter nonsense, its only remotely relevant until August 31st as come January, if we're hovering around the relegation zone very few players will want to join a sinking ship.

[Hasta]

Tell you what gumboots why dont you just clear off now and give us all a break. I know that you are a woman and that I should maybe offer some latitude BUT I've got to say that I've never heard such pathetic, irrational and infantile rubbish in all my born days. You continually state for no apparent reason that BFS is loathsome and makes your skin crawl? Well grow up and if I am to be honest then let me just say that you are having a similar effect on me that nails on a blackboard used to do at school.

Oh and Preston Blue you are behaving like a smacked arse too! BRFC are sailing in troubled waters through no fault of their own yet you don't offer support as most proper supporters you just threaten to take your bat and ball home if you dont get your own way. Do you think Williams is on here regularly just hanging on your every word?

BUT .... What if Allardyce came in and immedietely brought in 2/3 really exciting signings and we were playing good football, scoring plenty and winning? I'd wager you'd soon be back.... and if you weren't then who cares it'd be your own loss.

Yay,

Here come the cavalry.

[Brownie]

In my opinion SAM ALLARDYCE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO MANAGE THIS CLUB. Williams and co arn't stupid and I have faith in them.

One way or the other though I will still be there next season and hate the lack of football during the summer months (and no i'm not watching the EURO's!)

Then who the F word is constantly backing him on Betfair and why the F word is he the new favourite !!!!????

I for one am worried with the betting swings going on.

Cant understand why Shearer is not long odds on.

[Hasta]

Hmm, I'm not convinced answer these questions and prove yourself

Tugay has the ball just inside our half and is being closed down by an opposition midfielder. Do you shout at him to

1) pass the ball smartly along the grass to Bentley on the right

2) slide it through to Roque carving open the defence

3) kick it 60 yards to a big fat lump you've just signed for £5m from your old club

You've just been beaten by a lower placed team. Do you

1) watch the DVD and hone your fine tactical skills vowing never to be beaten that way again

2) start looking for the playmaker we are sorely lacking

3) decide we need a second spatial awareness aromatherapy vision coach - that'll do the trick

Bentley shoots 5 times from distance in the match, scoring once with a 30 yard beauty. Do you

1) congratulate him on his marvellous goal

2) b*ll*ck him for wasting 4 opportunities to kick it 60 yards to a big fat lump you've just signed for £5m from your old club

C, C, B

Doh

[Roversider]

If we get this worked up about a theoretical future heaven help us when JW and co. do make a decision!

I don't believe Allardyce will get the job, he doesn't tick enough boxes.

In his defence he did wonders at Bolton on a smaller wage bill than Hughes had at Rovers. Oh, and like Hasta, I don't want Allardyce - but if the board brought him in I would still be down at Ewood.

[Blue n White Rover]

No. My support for the club remains in that i have given them the cash I would normally give. i spend nothing when I get there. If the shop gets sorted out I'll probably buy goods there still and the only thing they'll miss will be me sitting quietly in my seat and cheering when we score. i don't leap anout like a mad thing shouting and singing anyway - not my style - so they won't miss my support in the sense of my contributing significantly to the noise level. I just won't be there.

That is a load of S***, your telling me you would pay £300 for a season ticket and not go to watch them?

Next your going to buying a brand new Merc and not driving it because it was made by a German.

Ridiculous!

[thenodrog]

For me the dream ticket would be Shearer partnered with an experienced coach - I would actually go for McClaren - though I would doubt he would accept such an arrangement.

Bloody hell they'd provide inspiring team talks wouldn't they? Make even Steve Davies look exciting. They'd have to set an alarm clock in the dressing rooms set for 5 to 3!

Any half time bollockings would be like being savaged by a couple of dead sheep.

I dont think either of them are either intelligent or deep thinking enough. Shearer would need Newell alongside to stand any sort of a chance imo.

[gumboots]

No, I don't expect the chairman to take any notice whatsoever of my opinion. doesn't mean I've no right to state it. I never watch Rovers on tv anyway. I find it far worse than watching the worst performance at the ground. I don't expect you to understand my logic on this. Not sure I even understand it myself, but that doesn't make it any less valid. It would very much pain me not to attend games but that would be my choice. There are plenty of others who could attend and don't. I'm fully aware that my objections to allardyce are not the reasoned reactions of an adult and yes, I probably ought to know better and be able to put it behind me and carry on attending games but I can't. all I can hope is that it doesn't come to that; that rovers choose a different manager and I can carry on getting my fortnightly fix of rovers. If not, well you won't miss out, just me.

[Hughesy]

Dont be daft - HTC has been offered 2m at Panathanikos, so will obviously want something similar, that is alot of money!! Not to mention his back room team, anyone know where they are? are they attached to clubs?

We should be easilly able to afford HTC wages and those of his staff.

That is a daft statement. No matter who we appoint - the league will still contain West Brom, Stoke & Hull aswell as Fulham, Sunderland and Bolton - we could sell Roque, Bentley and sign a couple of average players and still stay above these teams.

I reckon we can kiss our Premier League existence goodbye if any of those first four was to be given the job.

Agree with that man. NO MATTER WHO WE APPOINT - I WILL STILL BE AT EWOOD NEXT SEASON. Nothing will stop me, im a fan of the club, not of our choice of manager. I mean take a reality check, we are in the top league in the world, things could be much, much worse. I mean look at Burnley!!

well whoever takes over it wont stop me from attending every week and im sure the MAJORITY feel the same way

[CircoWill]

Bentley shoots 5 times from distance in the match, scoring once with a 30 yard beauty. Do you

1) congratulate him on his marvellous goal

2) b*ll*ck him for wasting 4 opportunities to kick it 60 yards to a big fat lump you've just signed for £5m from your old club

Funnily enough, that was one of the first things I thought when I considered Sam being our new boss. I remember an interview with Kevin Nolan, who'd just scored a 30-yard screamer to win a game (I think it was against Leeds = or maybe Tottenham - , maybe wrong though) and his words were something along the lines of "it's a good job it went in. I'd have got a rollocking and been fined if it hadn't. We're banned from shooting from outside the box" . Can't imagine that going down well with Bentley, Pedersen, Tugay et al.

I just can't see Allardyce getting the gig though.

[philipl]

Hughesy, the amount on offer at Panathanaikos gross is the same gross as was paid to Mark Hughes on the new contract he signed a few weeks ago.

[gumboots]

And if I choose to waste money I can ill afford to waste that's my choice too.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

I'd rather have BFS than Martinez and Ince!

Atleast that way we are guarenteed Premier League football every season.

Why are some people so sure that BFS will guarantee premier league football. Are you confident Newcastle would have stayed up if he was in charge for the whole season? His tactics are outdated and one dimensional, the game has moved on. I quite like the guy and he's passionate about the game, but wouldn't want him anywhere near BRFC.

To move forward I still believe we need a manager of the Advocatt, Bilic ilk (but this looks increasingly unlikely). Based on the 4 mentioned by Nicko, only Shearer offers any hope of progression - at least it will bring a feel good factor. If it doesn't work out and we're bottom by Christmas - The likes of Ince/Martinez etc would still apply for the position.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Dont be daft - HTC has been offered 2m at Panathanikos, so will obviously want something similar, that is alot of money!! Not to mention his back room team, anyone know where they are? are they attached to clubs?

We've just recieved £5m for hughes, i cannot see HTC and his staff costs going over that figure.

So whats your suggestion? we go for the cheapest manager possible then use the money we got for Hughes in the transfer budget?

[Roversider]

And if I choose to waste money I can ill afford to waste that's my choice too.

It is, and I respect that decision, can't understand it though

Won't come to that, have faith and chill. No need to worry about the Boogy Man.

[Blue n White Rover]

But then again Newcastle was a job that needed over 2-3 years work on it. The work has been done by Sparky with the Rovers team and we need to appoint a manager that will continue that work. Sam may not play the best football, but if he was appointed I feel majority of the Rovers fans would have him than Ince and Martinez.

Saying that I am not in favour of BFS, im jus trying to look at the positive aspects of him being appointed. Martinez and Ince are a big no for me. Shearer im still undecided. Theres only one man whose right for the job and thats Henk!

[RovertheHill]

Tony Gales Mic makes good, valid points about Shearer. For those of us that don't know him or interview him there is no rational reason other than faith to support him. If it were Shearer vs O Neill or Shearer vs Moyes I doubt there'd be any contest on here. However I don't believe the points being made about BFS - namely that we are guaranteed to survive. In my opinion, track record or not with Bolton, he is a manager on a downward spiral and will take us with him. And all this talk about he's used to working at a club with our resources - he publicly stated the reason he left Bolton was that he was fed up of it and wanted to go somewhere "bigger". He's as likely to leave for a "bigger" job as Shearer is if he's successful. So I say no to BFS and I'll have faith if Shearer is appointed.