[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[nicko]

I can understand Shearer's concerns. If he feels the circumstances are not right for him to succeed then he would be tarnishing his currently non-existant reputation as a manager and therefore end his career before it started...Thats his worry and I can understand it.

It's NOT...don't listen to the propaganda from members of the KFC [Know F---all Club].

Shearer is keen and wants to talk. Let hm - and others - get their interviews and then decide.

[nicko]

The bit that gets me in the LET story is that JW sent Shearer a text and Shearer rang him back.

Is this a money saving excercise or had JW run out of credit ?

Shearer wouldn't have recognised his number...

[thenodrog]

Did you think that Dalglish and Harford were the most exciting managers when you heard them speak ? You were lucky to make out two or three words out of every Dalglish sentence - and Harford could send himself to sleep. Didn't stop them inspiring Rovers to our greatest moment.

Just an opinion but i think when KMD spoke people listened.

[Hughesy]

All getting very exciting now - hope we appoint by the weekend.

So nicko have you no info on ten bob cate? Come out, your usually better than that, get digging!

[thenodrog]

Care to explain?

Doesn't need to explain. I'm normally quite rational about most things but on this occasion I'm fully aware it's the rant of a menopausal female. I can live with it because on this subject it's true. I am irrational.

Thank you gumboots.

Vicki you were just goading weren't you? As in stirring it. You didn't really need an explanation did you? If you did you are probably the only one on here that did.

[Hughesy]

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger is keen on Germany midfielder Torsten Frings who would cost around £4m from Werder Bremen. (The Sun)

Shame we dont have a manager right now - he is a good player for that price.

[Omega]

Shearer wouldn't have recognised his number...

But if he told him who it was on the txt

[EwoodGlory]

Do you think Newcastle will get rid of Barton now Nicko? Not surprised he didn't take the pay cut, but would have thought Newcastle will try an flog him for a couple of million rather than sack him.

[thenodrog]

What if he didn't.......He brings in 2 or 3 - 30+ journeymen, we play route one, with a goals to game record of Kevin Davies? You might still be going down each week, but you'll be whinging like chuff about it.

Correct. I would too. But lets rem he brought in the likes of Okocha, Anelka, Campo, Diouf , and Djorkaeff and missed out on countless other quality players (nothing wrong with trying for Jansen / Dunn was there?). The only criticism of that lot is that most were getting past it and would give a couple of years good service with no profit at the end (but rem we are comparing him to Hughes who was a bloody marvel at unearthing under achieving young talent, a somewhat unique experience for BRFC fans too ....... but he's history now and thats that! ) Taking that into account the total cost is the only factor but don't worry Sam can certainly spot a 'player'. I think Allardyce well knows full well that a good team requires at least 6/7 hod carriers and 3/4 bricklayers.

[nicko]

But if he told him who it was on the txt

That's why he would have had to send a text...Shearer wouldn't have picked up a Blackburn number - in case it was someone complaining about MOTD.

[nicko]

Do you think Newcastle will get rid of Barton now Nicko? Not surprised he didn't take the pay cut, but would have thought Newcastle will try an flog him for a couple of million rather than sack him.

I think they have handled this the wrong way. You can't offer someone a pay cut and then say 'stuff you, you're sacked.'

Have a funny feeling they will end up sending him out on loan for a year, with someone paying half of his wages.

Nobody is buying him just now in all honesty.

[nicko]

All getting very exciting now - hope we appoint by the weekend.

So nicko have you no info on ten bob cate? Come out, your usually better than that, get digging!

Let me see now, he's in Barbados, he's flying back at the weekend...but he has had NO call for an interview.

Yet.

There, it only took 15 minutes...

[philipl]

This idea that all the transfer money which might be received from Bentley is immediately available for transfer is absolute rubbish.

There are the costs of doing the deal- every club loses over 20% of the fee for agents' costs, FA fees, sweet goodbyes, golden hellos if they sell one player and buy another. Then there are the increased wages to consider as DB is currently on around £20k a week. If his replacement is a high profile player, take another few million off for the cost of his contract.

And we haven't started on whatever sell-on terms Arsenal might have but I will be astonished if we signed DB for less than a million without Arsenal having a very serious interest in any subsequent transfer terms.

If we want to sell a player to have more money to spend in the market, RSC makes far more sense than Bentley as the one to get rid of.

Re Bank borrowings, my recollection is that at 30 June 2006 they had reached £21m through deliberate spending before the new Sky deal but the go slow on expenditure in 2007/8 MIGHT have reduced that figure by some £14m.

The club seems to be OK with running a bank loan of £15m so £8m from the bank plus £4m from the Hughes windfall would equate to £12m transfer fees PROVIDED wages can be kept within the £40m target figure. If wages go over the £40m then the wages will have to come out of the transfer pot (that could make sense in the case of a Bosman-deal or a player near the end of his current contract).

In this context, the difference between paying a manager £1m a year as opposed to £2m a year becomes pretty significant.

[philipl]

The bit that gets me in the LET story is that JW sent Shearer a text and Shearer rang him back.

Is this a money saving excercise or had JW run out of credit ?

Come on Brownie, Shearer is at the Euro08 surrounded by journalists working for another company. JW couldn't just ring him up could he?

[EwoodGlory]

I think they have handled this the wrong way. You can't offer someone a pay cut and then say 'stuff you, you're sacked.'

Have a funny feeling they will end up sending him out on loan for a year, with someone paying half of his wages.

Nobody is buying him just now in all honesty.

So if Big Sam gets the job we might have him on loan then

[thenodrog]

I am expecting tp get a lot of flak for this post.....

What will be more important to the trustees, appointing BFS and the probability of staying in the prem with a limited budget, or appointing a more "exciting" manager and the risk of relegation, but with more ticket sales in the short term due to an "exciting" manager. BFS has proved over many seasons he can keep a team in the prem with a limited budget (for a considerable number of years with bolton) , albeit at the expense of good football... PS I would rather we had Bilic after a takeover with money to spend, but that is not the case. Horses for courses?

Wait a minute simcla...... You don't post much so I guess that you don't realise that you are not allowed to talk plain common sense on this thread?

[Brownie]

Come on Brownie, Shearer is at the Euro08 surrounded by journalists working for another company. JW couldn't just ring him up could he?

It was meant as a bit of a joke Phillip.

I still found it amusing though, wonder what it said ?

" Hi there Alan, John Williams here ........

[Earlydoors]

If there was £10 million available to Sparky before he left - and the club took a chunky £4.6 million off Man City for him - I would have to say there should eb a kitty of around £15 million.

Unless there is a £15 million offer for Bentley he won't go. Roque's valuation is hard to assess.

You probably need three or four faces for the team and squad, so no proper manager would shy away from that budget.

I think Santa Cruz is on a 3 year 50k p/w deal so thats 7.5m plus around 3.5m for original transfer fee would value him at least £11m. If we go back several hundred thousand posts to where the discussion was about Bentley's new contract didn't you Nicko say he could go for as liitle as £2m. Something about 3 years at 10k p/w = 1.5m plus 500k on top, hence the push to get him to sign a new deal. I know it doesn't strictly work like that but I think the valuations bandied about for Bentley are unrealistic.

[nicko]

I think Santa Cruz is on a 3 year 50k p/w deal so thats 7.5m plus around 3.5m for original transfer fee would value him at least £11m. If we go back several hundred thousand posts to where the discussion was about Bentley's new contract didn't you Nicko say he could go for as liitle as £2m. Something about 3 years at 10k p/w = 1.5m plus 500k on top, hence the push to get him to sign a new deal. I know it doesn't strictly work like that but I think the valuations bandied about for Bentley are unrealistic.

Not me, Bentley has THREE years left. He won't be buying out any contract...

[B.R.F.C]

My mate in Barcelona says the papers this morning were reporting that wherever Ten Cate ends up, he is taking Oleguer (Barca right back with him). He was a mainstay in the CL winning team a few years back, but has fallen out of favor the last couple seasons. Ten Cate really likes him and supposedly wants to take him with him. He's not a great defender but he's pretty decent going forward. He played a bit in the center as well.

As we need a right back, seems a logical fit.

One for Nicko to check on, perhaps.

If true there is as good a reason as any to appoint HTC as manager. Oleguer is a very good player given the chance and was very impressive a couple of years ago, he will also be relatively cheap as well.

Contacts...contacts...contacts

Cmon Board get the finger out here

[leftfooter]

If there was £10 million available to Sparky before he left - and the club took a chunky £4.6 million off Man City for him - I would have to say there should eb a kitty of around £15 million.

Unless there is a £15 million offer for Bentley he won't go. Roque's valuation is hard to assess.

You probably need three or four faces for the team and squad, so no proper manager would shy away from that budget.

Plus there is a very decent nucleus of players. That might not make headlines like '40M for Roy Keane' etc...but 15M to enhance an already good squad is half decent.

A watershed moment for Shearer.

[leftfooter]

Shearer DOES want to talk...that's a fact we have known for days...ignore papers who missed the story and have petted lips on. He hasn't discussed the club's finances, but it will be a factor for ANY manager.

Allardyce WILL have an interview...his deal with the Arab TV station ran out tomorrow anyway...so he will meet Rovers on Thursday or Friday.

Still trying to establish if Ten Cate has had the call to set up talks. But don't let that stop you campaigning.

Right; I'm off to vote for Cate in a minute.

[thenodrog]

The LET today suggests that Shearer might be having second thoughts because of the lack of funding. If this is true and money is going to be tight, and the departure of Hughes would suggest it is true,

Speculating but .... Alan Shearer is a proud man with an almost flawless reputation (shuda gone to MU ) and very high in the public eye, and imo will not move a muscle anywhere if there is a chance of him failing and falling flat on his face. He needs a very safe safety net of funding to see his plans work. I don't think that if the worst comes to the worst and we are in trouble at Christmas that we could guarantee him enough funding to buy his way out of trouble. I'm sure that he would love to ultimately manage the mags and then England but if he were to trip up on his first attempt the party would be over for him and he is well aware of that.

[vintageadidas]

I think with the squad we have - top goalkeeper, good defenders, bentley, benni, RSC - we can give an unknown like shearer a chance in management. I am not saying we couldn't get relegated but i think there are 3 worse teams that us next season.

I could finish top 14 with the team we have at this present time.

[gazsimm]

Shearer will be my choice, i think with the squad we have now, we can now take a chance with him and see how good he is going to be in managment.

When Hughes came to us i was a bit worried because he had never managed a club side before, but things worked out very well with appointing him and think the same will happen with Shearer.

One thing for sure shearer has is respect with other pros, which in no doubt will help him in the transfer market.