[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[pksrover]

A change of subject might be good:

Nicko, i'm just a bit curious about the timing of the annoucement that Scolari would be the next Chelsea manager. With Portugal being in a major competition i thought any distractions would not help. Have you heard any comments from the Portugal FA about the timing of the annoucement, are they not happy about it?

Maybe Big Fat Sam should apply for Portugal?

If BFS becomes the next Blackburn Rovers manager there is no chance in hell I will attend a single Rovers match as long as he is in charge. There is no way I can defend that guy's style of football. NO CHANCE

[Head Rover Heels]

I'd like to see HTC or Martinez given priority consideration before BFS.

Ince, with his disparagement of his own club West Ham and Rovers, show a personality trait that's not suitable for where we should be going.

I will say about BFS though, just to give the debate perspective; take a look at the Bolton fan pages and the BEN, and you will see a general appreciation for the man that now manifests itself in BFS nostalgia.

Am in Martinez's camp myself, moreso by the minute. Can't stand Ince, never could, but i think he'd do ok. HTC - unknown quantity and will lead to either glorious success or absolute disaster. I can't figure out which.

I just can't understand the hysteria that surrounds the idea of BFS - He was (quite rightly) revered at Bolton - Someone mentioned earlier that they laughed when little Sam took over, so did I, but only because it was clear that the only thing holding them together was BFS. People say they want someone with hunger, well avoiding the obvious joke, there are a couple of teams that BFS would make darned sure he finished above - Barring strange but understandable gumboot style phobias, i can't see any reason for dreading his appointment.

As an aside, I wonder if the Necastle debarcle is an omen for Hughes to be honest - He quite openly tarted himself around for the England job (as Hughes did with Chelsea) and as soon as Necastle came knocking the board "Didn't hold him back".

[gbax]

Well why not let your 10 mates speak for themselves then?

I love it when people mention their MATES (usually 10) during a debate. If everyones mates on here went on Ewood we would need a bigger ground! "-)

[spencey7]

It took him FOUR YEARS to do. I'll try and spell it out a little easier for you as you seem to be getting slightly confused.

He took over when they were in the lower half of Division One and led them to the play-offs, where they failed. They also reached League and FA Cup semis this year.

The next year he got them in to the play offs again, where they this time succeeded in getting promoted.

The next two years were spent stabilising in the Premiership. How many clubs come up and stay up for 2 years? Not many.

The following season he got them to finish 8th (including cup final appearance), starting a run of four consecutive top-eight finishes.

I fail to see how you can twist that in to anything other than a fantastic period for a manger. Virtually no other club that has come from the lower leagues has had success like that recently.

Bit sick of typing this but:

NEWCASTLE.

EVERYTHING at Bolton pales into insignificance compared to his more recent spell in charge of another club, and nothing you say changes that.

If you're using that justification, then McClaren's spell in charge of England doesn't count.

McClaren at Middlesborough:

Consistent top-half finishes

FA Cup Semi-Final (twice)

League Cup Winner

UEFA Cup Final...

Let me be PERFECTLY clear - I do NOT want to see McClaren appointed. But your logic for justifying Allardyce makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[RevidgeBlue]

Bit sick of typing this but:

NEWCASTLE.

We're equally sick of reading it.

Further the financial backing McClaren had compared with Allardyce (and Hughes for that matter) bears no comparison whatsoever.

[LeChuck]

EVERYTHING at Bolton pales into insignificance compared to his more recent spell in charge of another club, and nothing you say changes that.

Six months at a club renowned for being in a state does not completely wipe out the 7/8 years of fantastic work before that.

No amount of incorrect facts you can throw in will change that (well dodged by the way).

Can't be arsed discussing McClaren, but aside from cups his record was pretty @#/?. And he spent a lot of money to do it. Incomparable to Allardyce.

Edit: See Rev beat me to it on the McClaren front.

[ally]

Think Ten Cate is the best qualified for the job and seems to have a majority of the support as opposed to other potential candidates.

On a purely personal level i hope he wins as i have a tenner staked on him on betfair at 18/1 which i got earlier! Now done to 14 but still good odds

[Paul Mellelieu]

Maybe Big Fat Sam should apply for Portugal?

If BFS becomes the next Blackburn Rovers manager there is no chance in hell I will attend a single Rovers match as long as he is in charge. There is no way I can defend that guy's style of football. NO CHANCE

Come on Paal, you'll miss my pre and post match analysis!

On a more serious note, if BFS does get the job, the least Rovers fans can do is give the guy a chance.

He cannot be any worse than Brian Kidd.

[thenodrog]

Maybe Big Fat Sam should apply for Portugal?

If BFS becomes the next Blackburn Rovers manager there is no chance in hell I will attend a single Rovers match as long as he is in charge. There is no way I can defend that guy style of football. NO CHANCE

Yep... they said all that when they appointed Alf Ramsey to the England job. You won't need me to remind you that his "Wingless wonders" won the World Cup 2/3 years later.

Just as an aside could you, gassim, spencey et al try to act with more maturity and less like spoiled babies writhing around and beating the living room floor in irrational screaming tantrums just cos somebody has not bought them a lolly or told them that its bedtime? All this 'if they appoint so and so then thats it (stamp) I'll never but a season ticket again (scream) and I'll see that neither will any of my mates (sob)' really gets on my tits!

The Rovers board will be doing it's level best to replace one of the best managers that I have seen at Ewood in my lifetime, a situation that I'm sure they would not ideally have wished for this summer. I know that you've been having a pop back at me BUT understand this...... If I slap you down it's cos you are bloody well deserving of it..... and underneath I'm sure you know it too.

[DudeAbides]

seriously whoever it is, they will need our support....

now is not the time to be goin Awol..

[RibbleValleyRover]

Both sides have made their points of view and arguments blatantly clear for either wanting or not wanting BFS as the next manager. Its clear views aren't going to change so lets just leave it at that and see what the board decides.

[Atomicrover]

Reading the exchanges on here is like watching "East-enders"...........

I can't believe some of the venom which is being spat out

Chill out

[socngill]

I would just like to get this out of the way first - I am not keen to have Big Sam as our manager. Good.

While people keep mentioning his time at Newcastle as a complete failure, I really don't see how you can make come to that decision. The team was woeful when he took over, yes three of the back four were his signings but they were all new to the Premiership and as with any import they will have needed time to get used to the English game. They, like Big Sam, where not given time. The defence that he inherited has been widely criticised as being crap. So the first job was to bring in some new defenders. Only time will tell if they really are not cut for the Premiership - but at this moment in time i don't think we can truly say either way. At Rovers we already have a very good set of established defenders (although lacking a real RB) so he wouldn't need to change much there.

Even the God himself took an eternity to finally record a victory for Newcastle. That club was a mess, is a mess and will forever remain, a mess.

As for his style, even if you do play a long ball in the channels type of game you can't always do that. That option will not always be open to players, plus once that long ball has been played it is then up to the forwards to get hold of the ball and create the chances. Bolton were very good at this, and it got results. And yes, they did play some good football at times. Also don't forget that Hughes played the long ball a fair amount last season himself. Especially towards the end of the season when we started picking up results (except Birmingham).

He isn't my first, second or third choice, but I don't think he would be the instant failure that some people on here think that he would.

I for one will not be reaching for the rope if he gets appointed.

[Parsonblue]

Your comparisons with Douglas and Mokoena hold no water whatsoever. None. Zero. This is about a management regime. A footballing ethos.

Sam Allardyce would DRIVE ROVERS INTO THE DUST. He is a horrific, arrogant [insert expletive here] with a history of hideous tactics, bad transfer expenditure, corruption, inability to cope with crises, and failure. (REMEMBER NEWCASTLE.)

THE FUTURE OF THE CLUB IS AT STAKE HERE. If boycotting Ewood under an Allardyce-reign is the most effective course of action (which it is), then that's damned sure what my mates and I will be doing.

This is exactly the type of fickle supporter that the club would be well rid off. As I have said so many times before I just don't understand this type of attitude. These are the type of supporters who deserted the club in the early seventies when we hit rock bottom and them crawled out of the woodwork when Jack employed Kenny and Ray. A true supporter sticks with their club no matter what cards are dealt. Those of us who have seen some truly desperate times and football at Ewood Park know that the employment of Allardyce is a long way short of some of the club's darkest moments in the past 30 or 40 years!

[Roversider]

Maybe Big Fat Sam should apply for Portugal?

If BFS becomes the next Blackburn Rovers manager there is no chance in hell I will attend a single Rovers match as long as he is in charge. There is no way I can defend that guy's style of football. NO CHANCE

I don't want to sound too much like 'drog but I fail to see how you can be a genuine, diehard fan in that case. However I do accept that there is always a section of fans who will follow through every good and bad time (I was amongst the 4,000 gates in the old 3rd), a section of absolute glory hunters who come for a handful of games and a group in between.

Maybe I'm a fool but I cherish loyalty and I know that sometimes is used to exploit the fans but in respect of the Rovers, the board and most importantly John Williams I have no reason to feel that we don't get as good a deal as anyone else in the Premiership.

If Allardyce is appointed its because the board think he is the best candidate, full stop. They will have taken care to examine all the candidates in depth and I will respect their choice and continue to support the club.

That would go for any other appointment.

I am fairly neutral about Allardyce, I would like Ten Carte but I also admit to not having access to the full picture that the board will have. On that basis, live with the appointment when it is made.

As for style of football Sparky did manage to produce some appallingly negative games in his first two seasons as he built the team - and its not been all rosy since.

[dannyboy1206]

Reading the exchanges on here is like watching "East-enders"...........

I can't believe some of the venom which is being spat out

Chill out

RICKYYYYYYY !!!!!!!

[Fife Rover]

Nicko - still trying to understand your Mourinho/Champions League comment, it's got me a bit confused. Could you elaborate?

Sorry had not seen that someone else had already given the same answer as mine.

[Atomicrover]

Oh, and if you think everything in the garden was rosy when Hughes joined, go back to the Messageboard and read the (very) mixed bag of opinion in the topic about "Mark Hughes- Good choice?"

[gbax]

RICKYYYYYYY !!!!!!!

or ROCKYYYYYY !!!!!!! [/b]

[LeChuck]

I'm guessing but I think he means he did not win the CL with Chelsea.

Cheers Fife, Nicko cleared up it up a bit later anyway.

I thought he was referencing the Porto win and I was missing the point, turns out it was just a misunderstanding.

[gazsimm]

Yep... they said all that when they appointed Alf Ramsey to the England job. You won't need me to remind you that his "Wingless wonders" won the World Cup 2/3 years later.

Just as an aside could you, gassim, spencey et al try to act with more maturity and less like spoiled babies writhing around and beating the living room floor in irrational screaming tantrums just cos somebody has not bought them a lolly or told them that its bedtime? All this 'if they appoint so and so then thats it (stamp) I'll never but a season ticket again (scream) and I'll see that neither will any of my mates (sob)' really gets on my tits!

The Rovers board will be doing it's level best to replace one of the best managers that I have seen at Ewood in my lifetime, a situation that I'm sure they would not ideally have wished for this summer. I know that you've been having a pop back at me BUT understand this...... If I slap you down it's cos you are bloody well deserving of it..... and underneath I'm sure you know it too.

stupid post of the year award goes to u grandad!!!

[Eddie]

The difference was people were against him because of his lack of experience and poor recent results with Wales. Lots of people are against Allardyce because they actually strongly dislike him, whilst also not enjoying the way he plays, how much he talks, the type of attention he would bring to the club and basically just about everything.

[RevidgeBlue]

Just as an aside could you, gassim, spencey et al try to act with more maturity and less like spoiled babies writhing around and beating the living room floor in irrational screaming tantrums just cos somebody has not bought them a lolly or told them that its bedtime? All this 'if they appoint so and so then thats it (stamp) I'll never but a season ticket again (scream) and I'll see that neither will any of my mates (sob)' really gets on my tits!

The Rovers board will be doing it's level best to replace one of the best managers that I have seen at Ewood in my lifetime, a situation that I'm sure they would not ideally have wished for this summer. I know that you've been having a pop back at me BUT understand this...... If I slap you down it's cos you are bloody well deserving of it..... and underneath I'm sure you know it too.

Au contraire gaz, excellent post from the "old" boy.

[gbax]

The difference was people were against him because of his lack of experience and poor recent results with Wales. Lots of people are against Allardyce because they actually strongly dislike him, whilst also not enjoying the way he plays, how much he talks, the type of attention he would bring to the club and basically just about everything.

It's like Daniel Craig becoming James Bond all over again!

[gbax]

Au contraire gaz, excellent post from the "old" boy.

I'll second that! Everyone calm down and keep the blue faith!