[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[AndyC]

A little transfer story to make you chuckle and possibly seethe.

Seems old Sparky wants Zabaleta to sign for Man City from Espanyol...the player he was watching for Rovers just a few weeks ago.

he can have him.

sooner or later, his midas touch will run out.....

....i hope!

[Torgeir]

Ince really wants the job

I hope someone confronts him with the comments he made about us a few years back. What a phoney... Live and learn though, maybe two years of management has taught him the 'arte et labore'.

Nicko, any idea who Chris Ronnie's team would want, or are they just looking at it from an investment standpoint and realising that BFS and his posse cost serious moolah?

[spencey7]

You might not realise it, but I think there's a little bit of history going on.

If "fan power" succeeds in preventing this no-talent, arrogant, contemptuous, wretched, dishonest, heinous, cocky, egomaniacal, obnoxious, loathsome, uppity, despicable, repugnant, one-dimensional, confrontational, corrupt, abhorrent, brainless, total nightmare of a "manager" from being put in charge of our club - then it certainly will be a great day for Blackburn Rovers.

NO TO ALLARDYCE.

[RevidgeBlue]

If "fan power" succeeds in preventing this no-talent, arrogant, contemptuous, wretched, dishonest, heinous, cocky, egomaniacal, obnoxious, loathsome, uppity, despicable, repugnant, one-dimensional, confrontational, corrupt, abhorrent, brainless, total nightmare of a "manager" from being put in charge of our club - then it certainly will be a great day for Blackburn Rovers.

NO TO ALLARDYCE.

You really don't do the "We don't want Allardyce as manager" camp any favours with your ridiculous postings.

Any actual reason?

(I can guess what's coming next and it'll be in big black block capitals beginning with "N")

[Torgeir]

If "fan power" succeeds in preventing this no-talent, arrogant, contemptuous, wretched, dishonest, heinous, cocky, egomaniacal, obnoxious, loathsome, uppity, despicable, repugnant, one-dimensional, confrontational, corrupt, abhorrent, brainless, total nightmare of a "manager" from being put in charge of our club - then it certainly will be a great day for Blackburn Rovers.

NO TO ALLARDYCE.

All of the above came to light when he shaved off his mustache. He used to be a genuinely nice guy before that.

[RevidgeBlue]

All of the above came to light when he shaved off his mustache. He used to be a genuinely nice guy before that.

Bugger. Same seemingly happened to Souness here.

Edit: Albeit with a delayed effect.

[rebelmswar]

YES TO BFS

[BlueMonday]

Anyone else feel SSN are putting their weight behind Ince, since Shearer has dropped out? I've been watching ssn on and off all day and they've had numerous reports on Inces interest. While I'm not against the idea, I'm still trying to reconsile his insulting comments when at Inter with his kiss ass comments of today ??

I hope someone confronts him with the comments he made about us a few years back. What a phoney... Live and learn though, maybe two years of management has taught him the 'arte et labore'.

[Brownie]

Well the good news is, if according to Nicko we have three or possibly four more to be interviewed, there is no way Allardyce will get it.

Still work for Nicko to do though in finding out who is to be interviewed.

We think Ince will be and hope Ten Cate will be but nothing concrete as yet.

Looking at the odds it looks like McLaren will be too !

[RevidgeBlue]

Anyone else feel SSN are putting their weight behind Ince, since Shearer has dropped out? I've been watching ssn on and off all day and they've had numerous reports on Inces interest. While I'm not against the idea, I'm still trying to reconsile his insulting comments when at Inter with his kiss ass comments of today ??

Why on earth should anyone be worried about alleged comments made years ago when he was a player at Inter and a move to Rovers was suggested. Are we a bigger club than them?

Now the situation is completely different. He's at MK Dons and is right to be extremely flattered by our interest.

Is it not a good thing, having lost Shearer, in terms of our future profile that Sky may be pushing Ince?

[Parsonblue]

Not really addressed my point there Theno.

The situation at the time is we are an established top 10 side, having attracted larger gates through a superb marketing campaign. The business model will be based on Premiership survival, The football model should be based on attracting further fans through an exciting brand of football and cracking the top 6. Allardyce may achieve the business model, he will not realise the football model IMO.

The appointment is viewed as a statement of intent by fans. Are we a business or a football club? Most fans would hope we are the latter, if not - for me and many others, the soul will have disappeared from BRFC.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible in this day and age for a Premier League club not to be a business. It's sad but a fact of life. Money and success go hand in hand. It's always been that way but the Premier League merely highlights it even more. The fact that Championship clubs and their supporters win promotion, full of hope and excitement and then as soon as the season starts reality hits them like a runaway train. They don't have the money to buy the players they need and without the players they lose matches and a relegation struggle follows.

Ultimately, for a club like the Rovers and for the majority of Premier League clubs the first target in any season is to gain enough points to avoid relegation. Does anyone really believe that no matter how much free flowing football we play we will eclipse Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal and challenge for the title? Our own particular business model doesn't allow us to compete on an even field in terms of transfers. The football model is to reach as high a place in the League as possible and enjoy the odd good cup run. Hughes achieved that and Allardyce did it at Bolton. However, neither man nor Ten Cate is going to break into the top four without a major influx of funding.

[spencey7]

You really don't do the "We don't want Allardyce as manager" camp any favours with your ridiculous postings.

Any actual reason?

(I can guess what's coming next and it'll be in big black block capitals beginning with "N")

NO it won't.

I've gone over my reasons time and time again (as have the other sane members of this forum who appreciate just how catastrophic an Allardyce appointment would be).

Lower attendances, horrible football, a poor transfer record, arrogance, an inability to deal with crises, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Hopefully this will be my last bad night's sleep caused by the fear of waking up to the news BFFS is our new manager.

[RevidgeBlue]

However, neither man nor Ten Cate is going to break into the top four without a major influx of funding.

If the Trustees don't start sticking their hands in their pockets, maintaining a top ten finish is going to become increasingly difficult. Let alone top four or six.

Shearer probably sussed that out rather quickly.

[RevidgeBlue]

NO it won't.

I've gone over my reasons time and time again (as have the other sane members of this forum who appreciate just how catastrophic an Allardyce appointment would be).

Lower attendances, horrible football, a poor transfer record, arrogance, an inability to deal with crises, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Hopefully this will be my last bad night's sleep caused by the fear of waking up to the news BFFS is our new manager.

Poor transfer record?

And what crises was he unable to deal with?

[Parsonblue]

If "fan power" succeeds in preventing this no-talent, arrogant, contemptuous, wretched, dishonest, heinous, cocky, egomaniacal, obnoxious, loathsome, uppity, despicable, repugnant, one-dimensional, confrontational, corrupt, abhorrent, brainless, total nightmare of a "manager" from being put in charge of our club - then it certainly will be a great day for Blackburn Rovers.

NO TO ALLARDYCE.

If this is the type of argument that is going to be used to select our new manager the club is in more trouble than I thought. You don't like Allardyce, fair enough. I'm not keen on Ince simply because I don't think he's experienced enough. I could go overboard on the things he said about the club years ago, but I don't want him as manager simply because I don't think he has proved himself at a high enough level. Ten Cate is a good number two but then so was Brian Kidd. Again he's unproven. If there was another candidate other than Allardyce who had Premier League experience and who could work with limited resources I would welcome them. But apart from Ince and Ten Cate who is a viable alternative who has applied. Unless, of course, there is a name out there that has escaped the media and is due to be interviewed in the next few days.

Ultimately, no matter who is appointed I will support them totally because Blackburn Rovers is my club, always has been and always will be. Managers are like players, they will always divide opinion. You will never get complete support for a manager unless you are top of the League and winning every game. Even then, there will be some who are not happy.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Unfortunately, I don't think it's possible in this day and age for a Premier League club not to be a business. It's sad but a fact of life. Money and success go hand in hand. It's always been that way but the Premier League merely highlights it even more. The fact that Championship clubs and their supporters win promotion, full of hope and excitement and then as soon as the season starts reality hits them like a runaway train. They don't have the money to buy the players they need and without the players they lose matches and a relegation struggle follows.

Ultimately, for a club like the Rovers and for the majority of Premier League clubs the first target in any season is to gain enough points to avoid relegation. Does anyone really believe that no matter how much free flowing football we play we will eclipse Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal and challenge for the title? Our own particular business model doesn't allow us to compete on an even field in terms of transfers. The football model is to reach as high a place in the League as possible and enjoy the odd good cup run. Hughes achieved that and Allardyce did it at Bolton. However, neither man nor Ten Cate is going to break into the top four without a major influx of funding.

We operate as a business, but Rovers (as a club) have always been about 'having a go' - Arte labore. Yes it is highly unrealistic to think we can challenge the big 4 and it's not an even field. If every club just gave up though what kind of a competition would it be?

We need the board to bring in a manager that believes in the club motto and will TRY to take us into the top 6 through skill and hard work, if it doesn't happen that's perfectly understandable, but at least it is a statement of intent to the fans.

If they appoint BFS on the basis of Premiership survival and the odd cup run, what message does that give to supporters?

It's like saying you can watch your team play against the big boys every year, but never expect to see them win.

It reminds me of a saying from the office: "Winners never quit, quitters never win. Those who never win and don't quit are idiots........"

[mjs]

I hope someone confronts him with the comments he made about us a few years back. What a phoney

Ever heard of forgive and forget? Ever crossed your mind that people grow up and mature?

Maybe you and others should now.

It is whether Ince is capable or not of doing the job now that matters, what he said years ago is totally irrelevant.

MOVE ON

[USABlue]

Just as long as the next manager has passion like the passion Bilic has showed on the touchline during the Germnay game.

Anyone see him?

Stuart Pearce???

[Torgeir]

Why on earth should anyone be worried about alleged comments made years ago when he was a player at Inter and a move to Rovers was suggested. Are we a bigger club than them?

Now the situation is completely different. He's at MK Dons and is right to be extremely flattered by our interest.

Is it not a good thing, having lost Shearer, in terms of our future profile that Sky may be pushing Ince?

1. No, but he could've just said he was happy where he was but that he was flattered blah blah blah. No need to insult us.

2. Suck up to the board and fans when you're looking to get a better job. Insult them if you're convinced your current job is better.

I'm not saying I want to 'Roy Keane vs. Alfie Haaland' him but confronting him with his previous comments about us would, if nothing else, be interesting. Bottom line is I think his comments were unprofessional but if he's the best man for the job, then I won't hold something he said many moons ago against him.

[Krillin]

How important was Phil Brown in the 'success' at Bolton?

All the positive things that can be said about Sam at Bolton, and which would appeal to our Board, seem to include Brown as his #2. Sam went to Newcastle on his own and bombed out. Brown went to Hull on his own and got them into The Premiership.

If The Club are looking for a continuation of the work done at the Breezeblock (safety on a shoestring) then maybe we are speaking to the wrong person? Or at least it needs to be taken into account that, perhaps, a vital part of Sam's backroom staff is no longer available to him.

[Torgeir]

Ever heard of forgive and forget? Ever crossed your mind that people grow up and mature?

Maybe you and others should now.

It is whether Ince is capable or not of doing the job now that matters, what he said years ago is totally irrelevant.

MOVE ON

Yes, and if you'd included everything I wrote when you quoted me you wouldn't have to ask that question.

How is it totally irrelevant? Comments like that can tell you something about a person's character. Was he a 'Big Time Charlie'? Yes. Is he still? I don't know, all I do know is age is not necessarily a ticket to maturity.

[spencey7]

Poor transfer record?

£26m on total duffers at Newcastle. Alan Smith and Joey Barton at £6m each being standouts.

It wasn't all rosy at Bolton either - Djibril Diawara, Akinori Nishizawa, Akin Bulent, Gerald Cid...

And what crises was he unable to deal with?

The crisis at the Barcodes. Bolton were also going nowhere fast when he left (Bolton fans will tell you as much) - There's NO INDICATION AT ALL that things would be different were he to join us.

Anyone who things he's good at "bargain basement buys" should read Nicko's insights on the subject - We won't be paying players £75,000 per week like Anelka and Okocha.

[mjs]

How is it totally irrelevant? Comments like that can tell you something about a person's character. Was he a 'Big Time Charlie'? Yes. Is he still? I don't know, all I do know is age is not necessarily a ticket to maturity.

His managerial performance to date would suggest a great deal of maturity.

[Hi Mack]

just been out for a drink in clitheroe!

and have been talkin to a first teamer!i said "its not gonna be fat sam is it?"

he said "i hope it is we dont want a foreigner"

He then said half of the players want away now marks gone anyway!

i can swear on my life this is true!

reallly not happy how HE came across either!

it probably wont take too many guesses either!

Also the players didnt want shearer!why?i dont know!

[AggyBlue]

He then said half of the players want away now marks gone anyway!

Let's hope it's the half that are shyte and not good enough anyway.