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Just a few thoughts...

It is quite a compliment to Ten Cate's ability that Chelsea want him as far away as possible. Maybe Rovers should realise they have someone pretty special within their reach.

I was amazed when I heard this was part of the negotiations in his pay-off wrangle.

Anyway, let's state what is certain.

1 - He hasn't signed for Panathinaikos because he has to sort this out first. That is one of the reasons why he did not sign for them originally and why he can't commit just yet. He has shot himself in the foot with the news that he could go there by the end of the month. It won't help him negotiate a pay-off with Chelsea - a foolish move by his camp. That makes him or his advisers a bit thick in my eyes.

2 - There is a window of opportunity here for Rovers. If they want to step in, talk to him and offer him the job then there IS still time. It's up to them. Maybe they like someone they have already talked to. As far as I am aware he is still down to meet Rovers on Wednesday...but a lot can happen between now and then.

3 - The compensation issue can be got round, obviously this would cost Rovers as they might have to pitch in to help out of he loses out on his pay-off. But they just got £4.6 million for Sparky an his chums. So, come on, that should not be a problem.

4 - Shrewd operators could get this done. If this obstacle proves unsurmountable then neither Ten Cate or Rovers are committed enough to the idea.

The next few days will be very interesting.

And, finally, DON'T bet on this market!

OK I don't gamble at all so wouldn't consider betting on this but I have a question. If the story is sufficiently true to warrant publication why tell folk not to bet on it. I think you're contradicting yourself. In points 2, 3 and 4 you're strongly suggesting HTC is a good potential candidate for the job and "Shrewd operators could get this done." then next but one sentence "And, finally, DON'T bet on this market."

Either the story is true and you believe Rovers will talk to and possibly appoint HTC or it's designed to sell papers and you don't believe what you have reported as evidenced by "don't bet on this market." Is it any wonder people like me are highly sceptical of anything published in the tabloid press?

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He has told Greek side Panthinaikos that he will join them soon - but has yet to put pen to paper.

Sven Goran Ericsson anyone?

Sounds like a man we can trust with our team.

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OK I don't gamble at all so wouldn't consider betting on this but I have a question. If the story is sufficiently true to warrant publication why tell folk not to bet on it. I think you're contradicting yourself. In points 2, 3 and 4 you're strongly suggesting HTC is a good potential candidate for the job and "Shrewd operators could get this done." then next but one sentence "And, finally, DON'T bet on this market."

Either the story is true and you believe Rovers will talk to and possibly appoint HTC or it's designed to sell papers and you don't believe what you have reported as evidenced by "don't bet on this market." Is it any wonder people like me are highly sceptical of anything published in the tabloid press?

What Nicko seems to be saying here is that,

HTC is interested

HTC will be interviewed

There are other candidates in the frame but, in nickos opinion, HTC is the best of the bunch. However, Nicko is not confident that the board will have the same opinion so hence the 'don't bet on this market' comment!

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Nicko - sorry, I like you, but quite frankly this is joke and you are making a mockery out of our fans who are very sensitive at the moment.

Ask people close to Chelsea if they like him (Cate), I don't know what relationship you have got with him or his agent.

Few facts for all of you after speaking to certain players tonight, who seemed to be out on the lash like me:

Six of our first team squad want OUT - not a joke. They loved Eddie more than Mark. Really upset and unsettled.

Players only have a couple of managers could probably respect and also enjoy being at BRFC for:

Big Sam or Mr Laudrup. Trust me....

I am sure some of you will take the mick, but lets see if I am right

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Nicko - sorry, I like you, but quite frankly this is joke and you are making a mockery out of our fans who are very sensitive at the moment.

Ask people close to Chelsea if they like him (Cate), I don't know what relationship you have got with him or his agent.

Few facts for all of you after speaking to certain players tonight, who seemed to be out on the lash like me:

Six of our first team squad want OUT - not a joke. They loved Eddie more than Mark. Really upset and unsettled.

Players only have a couple of managers could probably respect and also enjoy being at BRFC for:

Big Sam or Mr Laudrup. Trust me....

I am sure some of you will take the mick, but lets see if I am right

John, Are these rovers players you were talking to or friends of rovers players? i.e. Chelsea players etc.?

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Not going to name names, not worth it.

Put it this way, I was chatting to a certain 'pundit' from Sky Sports, and a certain former managers son - lets leave it at that for now because I am sure someone will try and give me stick if I say anymore.

I admit I am drunk, but I am being 100% serious here in what I say. I don't make up stuff on this board, I just say it as it is, look at my track record.

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I dont doubt what you were told just wondering of the motives of the people that told you this! could it be disgruntled chelsea players, a certain managers son who has an eye on the job!?!?!

I am sure no matter what team you play for, if the manager leaves you would consider your future.

I reckon once the new manger is sorted ALL the players will all see their first team opertunity & this will make for good competition, it is then up to the manager to keep that competition & to keep the players on thier toes. I also have no doubt that there are players that are as good as gone now that hughes has left! But I couldnt care less about them!

All in all i wouldnt worry about the players until august comes, they have contracts & it is a long preseason where people will change their mind about their futures!!

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HTC does not have to sign a post contract exclusion. They are notoriously difficult to enforce. He can claim unfair dismissal anyway for breach of the remainder of his contract (Which I suspect he will get without a fight unless he's been dismissed for a breach of contract or misconduct (e.g. fighting with JT but it would have to have happened immediately).

It's more likely so he keeps quiet about backroom stories for personal gain. E.G. "I saw susch and such do......whatever and have the pictures."

I believe that if it's to stop HTC passing on sensitive information about Chelsea to Rovers that results in our gain e.g. Lamps feels sick near garlic so wear a clove when were playing them, this is covered by European Intellectual Propertyright Law (remember the Volkswagon Chairman). However we all know this in real life is impossible to police.

It does say something about how highly regarded HTC was by Chelsea but also how close the title race will be too. A draw at Ewood when you're down to last game finishes can mean millions of ££ss gained or lost these days so speculating a few million to stop it happening is a sound investment.

It also says how much influence some of the most powerful men on the earth think Rovers have in deciding these matters which is amazing considering the size of Blackburn and some of the more depressing post on here!

Come on down Mr Billic.

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What Nicko seems to be saying here is that,

HTC is interested

HTC will be interviewed

There are other candidates in the frame but, in nickos opinion, HTC is the best of the bunch. However, Nicko is not confident that the board will have the same opinion so hence the 'don't bet on this market' comment!

OK I can go with that.

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Don't doubt what you were told John but it doesn't always work out like that. whenever there's a change in working conditions that could be for the worse people sound off about wanting out. then they calm down and say they'll give it a chance, then they get used to the new boss or whatever and can't think what all the fuss is about. Also how many players are around to say anything. Brett, Jason, Roque, andré all on international duty and the rest on holiday. Unlikely they have given their future that much thought yet. Agents may be putting out feelers in case but a lot of what people say in the heat of the moment and what they actually do differ. Stop being such a pessimist. I thought I was bad!

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Great post prof.

Just out of interest, does anyone know whether HtC has ever been in a relegation tussle in his long and varied career.

From what I can see, HtC's career reads without exception:

Joined little club or big club, they do better than before he joined and play attacking football, he moved on. Has a history of falling outs over key issues that others have chosen not to confront which he sometimes gets blamed for, sometimes not.

PS MynameisEarl- I agree your analysis makes a great deal of sense.

PPS American- I was speculating that if HtC did not provide the quote (and some Greek agent told Panathanaikos that HtC said...), he is in an unusually strong position to provide supporting proof that he didn't if Chelsea were to use that quote against him as nicko has suggested they would given it weakens his case against them.

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Disgusted to hear that 6 want out...

Care to speculate who...

Bentley, Roque, Warnock, Pedersen, Samba, and Roberts...

Big Sam or Laudrup were named by your guys John?

If so the board must be aware of this and this could be an influential factor in who they choose.

Come to think of it right now we are a sinking ship without a captain and we do need a strong character. Im sure Big Sam could control the dressing room and calm things down. Cant think of any past players who say bad things about him...

We need to appoint someone SOONISH...

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Disgusted to hear that 6 want out...

Care to speculate who...

Bentley, Roque, Warnock, Pedersen, Samba, and Roberts...

Big Sam or Laudrup were named by your guys John?

If so the board must be aware of this and this could be an influential factor.

Contact Laudrup too...

Hang on Bobby G, John said he was drunk and was on the lash in London talking to a Sky Sports pundit and a son of a manager.

1) John's judgement was severely impared,

2) He was getting hearsay from gossipy third parties who were probably also newt-like,

3) Where are the Rovers' players at the moment? Hint, probably only Ooijer is physically any nearer to Blackburn than I am right now.

I agree re Laudrup.

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HTC does not have to sign a post contract exclusion. They are notoriously difficult to enforce. He can claim unfair dismissal anyway for breach of the remainder of his contract (Which I suspect he will get without a fight unless he's been dismissed for a breach of contract or misconduct (e.g. fighting with JT but it would have to have happened immediately).

It's more likely so he keeps quiet about backroom stories for personal gain. E.G. "I saw susch and such do......whatever and have the pictures."

I believe that if it's to stop HTC passing on sensitive information about Chelsea to Rovers that results in our gain e.g. Lamps feels sick near garlic so wear a clove when were playing them, this is covered by European Intellectual Propertyright Law (remember the Volkswagon Chairman). However we all know this in real life is impossible to police.

It does say something about how highly regarded HTC was by Chelsea but also how close the title race will be too. A draw at Ewood when you're down to last game finishes can mean millions of ££ss gained or lost these days so speculating a few million to stop it happening is a sound investment.

It also says how much influence some of the most powerful men on the earth think Rovers have in deciding these matters which is amazing considering the size of Blackburn and some of the more depressing post on here!

Come on down Mr Billic.

The problem he will have is that he was employed for less than 12 months, Chelsea will have to pay him something, but it could be as little as 2 weeks salary. Any legal case will also have to be heard under English law, which would complicate matters if he went to Greece.

:rover:

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Disgusted to hear that 6 want out...

Care to speculate who...

Bentley, Roque, Warnock, Pedersen, Samba, and Roberts...

Big Sam or Laudrup were named by your guys John?

If so the board must be aware of this and this could be an influential factor.

Contact Laudrup too...

I'm sure there is some unrest. Once one or two players start agitating for moves and displaying public unrest, the herd instinct kicks in and others follow.

Bentley's smug expression staring up from his Sun (FFS) speaks louder than words, but Bentley at least has produced the goods consistently over the past couple of years and is in prime position to wrest the number 7 shirt from a world icon like Beckham.

Warnock on the other hand, has admittedly done well for us; but he then saunters back from earning a void cap in the West Indies, (despite the fact that he is 4th choice for that position), undermines his contract and the expected fidelity an employee is expected to show to his employer by publicly announcing he signed for us because of the departed manager. This despite the fact that the main rivals for his signature at the time we signed him were Sheffield Utd, then managed by Neil Warnock!

I know of no other multi-million pound organisation that would tolerate such lack of professionalism from such a high profile and highly remunerated employee.

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The problem he will have is that he was employed for less than 12 months, Chelsea will have to pay him something, but it could be as little as 2 weeks salary. Any legal case will also have to be heard under English law, which would complicate matters if he went to Greece.

:rover:

You're thinking of unfair dismissal, which is statutory and damages are limited by law.

That does not apply to wrongful dismissal, which is entirely different as it is based entirely on the contract.

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Disgusted to hear that 6 want out...

Care to speculate who...

Bentley, Roque, Warnock, Pedersen, Samba, and Roberts...

Big Sam or Laudrup were named by your guys John?

If so the board must be aware of this and this could be an influential factor in who they choose.

Come to think of it right now we are a sinking ship without a captain and we do need a strong character. Im sure Big Sam could control the dressing room and calm things down. Cant think of any past players who say bad things about him...

We need to appoint someone SOONISH...

Don't think Jan would be too happy to read he might be coming back into the frame, hic :rover: .

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You're thinking of unfair dismissal, which is statutory and damages are limited by law.

That does not apply to wrongful dismissal, which is entirely different as it is based entirely on the contract.

Still under English law though, if employed less than 12 months, statutory contracts apply unless you can prove that you entered into a contract that specifically superseded the statutory minimum on dismisal terms(or other terms), it would seem that this point has not been covered or there would not be a problem in severance pay.

This can become very difficult as clauses cannot be retrospective.

:rover:

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Still under English law though, if employed less than 12 months, statutory contracts apply unless you can prove that you entered into a contract that specifically superseded the statutory minimum on dismisal terms(or other terms), it would seem that this point has not been covered or there would not be a problem in severance pay.

This can become very difficult as clauses cannot be retrospective.

:rover:

The maximum pay out for a case brought for unfair dismissal last time I checked, is 50K.

I don't think BFS's walked away with 2 weeks wages/50K after his dismissal after 6 months at Newcastle, nor indeed did Avram Grant from Chelsea ;)

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Still under English law though, if employed less than 12 months, statutory contracts apply unless you can prove that you entered into a contract that specifically superseded the statutory minimum on dismisal terms(or other terms), it would seem that this point has not been covered or there would not be a problem in severance pay.

This can become very difficult as clauses cannot be retrospective.

:rover:

You are correct yoda but I get the impression that most football contracts are drawn up to be complete within themselves- it is not unusual for a football relationship to last less than twelve months so these matters have to be provided for.

If I read nicko's account correctly, Chelski are primarilly interested in enforcing gagging and gardening leave so they want something out of the scrap they might not have secured at the moment. When it comes to restraint of trade, even agreed clauses in pre-existing contracts are ruled unenforcable so it comes down to what they pay HtC for the gag and by way of compensation for unreasonable break of contract.

Having fired HtC two days after publicly stating his position was secure, HtC would have to have been a very naughty boy in the intervening two days not to be in a good position to enforce whatever clauses were in his Chelsea contract to his benefit.

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Disgusted to hear that 6 want out...

Care to speculate who...

Bentley, Roque, Warnock, Pedersen, Samba, and Roberts...

Big Sam or Laudrup were named by your guys John?

If so the board must be aware of this and this could be an influential factor in who they choose.

Come to think of it right now we are a sinking ship without a captain and we do need a strong character. Im sure Big Sam could control the dressing room and calm things down. Cant think of any past players who say bad things about him...

We need to appoint someone SOONISH...

No offence to John but looking at it objectively I'm sure the board have much more reliable ways of finding out whats going on with the players than what someone posts on a forum.

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Question for Nicko,

When the Rovers board interviews these managers do they also interview their backroom staff aswell, i'd have thought this was as equally important as grilling the main man.

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