[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[thenodrog]

While I agree Sparky is ambitious and may well leave for a bigger club, in fact he must do so if he wants to be a serious contender for the OT position, I feel he's a man of principle and is unlikley to be prepared to work for a man like Abramovich. If Hughes goes to Chelsea for me it would show he is not the man we think he is.

Don't be daft Paul. The Chelsea job is THE best job in the footballing world.... bar none! A (probable) 4 year contract with a salary of £6.5m p.a. and an open chequebook, who in his right mind could refuse a chance like that?

[John]

Apparently, Hughes wants Richard Dunne regardless of whether he is BRFC or Chelsea manager.

[nicko]

Richard Dunne - can't be right in the current circumstances. His fee would be around £3 million, but Rovers wouldn't be in for him at the same wage level as Pompey.

David Nugent to Hull - don't think that is a priority.

Zico and Man City - good tip, checked it with Man City but left it because of their line that they were waiting on the Chelsea and Inter vacancies to be sorted out. He might want it, but he will have to jojn the queue. But there may be something in it as the Screws used it.

Chelsea - still waiting.

Man City - no approach for the umpteenth time.

[thenodrog]

If Hughes went to Chelsea we'd be sad but wish him well personally.

If he went to Man City, it would be a kick in the stomach.

I can't see that happening at all. They did come in for him strong last summer and he refused them then. Since then they have blown SGE's reputation and turned into a joke club that imo is heading for a bloody big fall. I've noticed recently that he's been looking increasingly unhappy and frustrated during matches but he would be simply daft to go and work for Shinitawara. His stock which is quite obviously very good currently could be blown to smithereens. Like Bentley BRFC have supported him as fully as we could without intervening and have left him to 'do his thing', he really needs to wait for the right move. That means Chelsea yes City no way.

[Paul]

Don't be daft Paul. The Chelsea job is THE best job in the footballing world.... bar none! A (probable) 4 year contract with a salary of £6.5m p.a. and an open chequebook, who in his right mind could refuse a chance like that?

You're the one being daft. Chelsea is a poisoned chalice and far from the best job in football. Salary isn't an issue for people who work in the PL as they all earn sufficient. If I was Hughes I would not go to Chelsea.

[EwoodGlory]

Is the Miller to Rangers move still on?, thought it would have been mentioned all over the place.

EDIT: Forgot to say was looking at a Derby forum to see if there was any Miller News on there, saw a wild rumour on there. Rovers have lined up Bruce to replace Sparky when he leaves. Wigan have agreed it, as long as Jewell agrees to return to Wigan

[thenodrog]

You're the one being daft. Chelsea is a poisoned chalice and far from the best job in football. Salary isn't an issue for people who work in the PL as they all earn sufficient. If I was Hughes I would not go to Chelsea.

His ambition must be to manage a Champions league club and EVERY champions league club represents a managerial poisoned chalice. Fall off the pace and you're history. It's mighty hot in that particular kitchen. BUT managing Chelsea and failing has certainly not damaged the reputations of the last 3 incumbants has it? In fact it's prob left them finacially set up for life.

[AndyC]

You're the one being daft. Chelsea is a poisoned chalice and far from the best job in football. Salary isn't an issue for people who work in the PL as they all earn sufficient. If I was Hughes I would not go to Chelsea.

its all about opinions!

lets just remind everyone:

hughes is a boyhood chelsea fan.

he played for them

he would be backed in the transfer market

he would be following a guy who has won nothing this season.

he would be paid a kings ransom.

i'm with theno on this one - no hesitations!

[leftfooter]

You're the one being daft. Chelsea is a poisoned chalice and far from the best job in football. Salary isn't an issue for people who work in the PL as they all earn sufficient. If I was Hughes I would not go to Chelsea.

"Salary isn't an issue for people who work in the PL "

In your own words earlier today under the 'Philip's Financial Review Thread':

"Premier League turnover 2006 - 07 £1.53 billion. Wage bill for that season £1.4 billion. Crazy"

Res ipsa loquitur Paul. Don't be silly.

[S15]

If Hughes went to Chelsea, and was sacked after a year for finishing second in the league, reaching quarter finals in cups etc, he would leave £6m richer and walk into any club job in our league outside the 'Big Four.'

Poisoned what now?

[John]

From tomorrow's Times: Scolari is the favourite and has told friends that he would relish the opportunity of working for Abramovich.

[nicko]

From tomorrow's Times: Scolari is the favourite and has told friends that he would relish the opportunity of working for Abramovich.

I would say that article strikes a remarkable resemblance to what has been said here for the past five or six days.

However Scolari needs to give an answer. Or else.

[they_think_its_all_rover]

David Nugent to Hull - don't think that is a priority.

I reckon it could be a Fraizer Campbell "back-up plan"

what does Coyle mean by Sh1ttu being a "bomb scare" defender? is that good or bad

...on another note (can't remember the link now) but saw a translated dutch site today saying PSV are having a massive clear-out... Rovers to go in for Farfan? (It said PSV have had an inquiry from someone... think it might have been Shalke04).

[MCMC1875]

I reckon it could be a Fraizer Campbell "back-up plan"

what does Coyle mean by Sh1ttu being a "bomb scare" defender? is that good or bad

...on another note (can't remember the link now) but saw a translated dutch site today saying PSV are having a massive clear-out... Rovers to go in for Farfan? (It said PSV have had an inquiry from someone... think it might have been Shalke04).

Does he live a long way away?

[they_think_its_all_rover]

Who you talking about? I mentioned 3 different people.

[MCMC1875]

Who you talking about? I mentioned 3 different people.

Farfan!

[Tom 1]

....So who is actually in for Dunne altogether then?

[Paul]

"Salary isn't an issue for people who work in the PL "

In your own words earlier today under the 'Philip's Financial Review Thread':

"Premier League turnover 2006 - 07 £1.53 billion. Wage bill for that season £1.4 billion. Crazy"

Res ipsa loquitur Paul. Don't be silly.

You appear to know some Latin but not much English. When I say "salary is not an issue for people who work in the PL" I mean an adequate level of salary is guaranteed, it's just a question of how much. £3m, £4m, £10m per annumn - what difference does it make? For most people earning an extra £10k a year, for example, would make an enormous difference. If you're already earning, say, £3m, what difference does earning £4m per annum make?

His ambition must be to manage a Champions league club and EVERY champions league club represents a managerial poisoned chalice. Fall off the pace and you're history.

So you're suggesting a poor season for Arsenal or United would put Wenger and Ferguson out of work? Seems unlikely to me. I agree Rafa would be under threat if Liverpool failed to qualify for the CL and the same might apply to the new Chelsea man, so that's 50% of EPL rather than EVERY CL manager - I haven't a clue about foreign clubs.

It's mighty hot in that particular kitchen. BUT managing Chelsea and failing has certainly not damaged the reputations of the last 3 incumbants has it? In fact it's prob left them finacially set up for life.

I'd guess they were probably set up for life before going to Chelsea. PL salaries are such that for most players or managers 2 or 3 seasons sets one up for life. I'm presuming both Ranieri and Mourhino will have had "reasonable" salaries at their previous clubs. If you give me a million today I wouldn't need to work for the rest of my life - though I don't need to live at the level footballers do.

Have the last three failed? Ranieri was doing OK before Abramovich came along though all he achieved was a losing Cup Final (makes Hughes a failure as well if trophies are the ultimate test?). Ranieri got 11 months under Abramovich, Grant lasted 9 months and came second in three major tournaments (makes Hughes look a real success?) and of course we all know about Jose with 5 trophies in 27 months (another failure there).

So the last three managers failed? More like the owner is totally unrealistic in his targets and similarily unrealistic in his belief money can buy anyhting one desires. It's unlikely Chelsea will achieve the success he craves (i.e dominating Europe at the very least) as the club will be managed by men who have an attitude that failure doesn't really matter because failure represents financial success. Would you employ someone on that basis?

To select a line from The Times article: "Scolari remains in pole position for the job and he would relish one final pay-day;" Excellent start.

BTW I'm not knocking Hughes or suggesting he is a failure at Rovers. Far better to have a man like Hughes in charge and sensible owners / senior management. Hughes will go when the time is right for him, I simply don't think Chelsea is the right move for a man of his apparent ability. I also feel he has the intelligence to know that.

[leftfooter]

You appear to know some Latin but not much English. When I say "salary is not an issue for people who work in the PL" I mean an adequate level of salary is guaranteed, it's just a question of how much. £3m, £4m, £10m per annumn - what difference does it make? For most people earning an extra £10k a year, for example, would make an enormous difference. If you're already earning, say, £3m, what difference does earning £4m per annum make?

So you're suggesting a poor season for Arsenal or United would put Wenger and Ferguson out of work? Seems unlikely to me. I agree Rafa would be under threat if Liverpool failed to qualify for the CL and the same might apply to the new Chelsea man, so that's 50% of EPL rather than EVERY CL manager - I haven't a clue about foreign clubs.

I'd guess they were probably set up for life before going to Chelsea. PL salaries are such that for most players or managers 2 or 3 seasons sets one up for life. I'm presuming both Ranieri and Mourhino will have had "reasonable" salaries at their previous clubs. If you give me a million today I wouldn't need to work for the rest of my life - though I don't need to live at the level footballers do.

Have the last three failed? Ranieri was doing OK before Abramovich came along though all he achieved was a losing Cup Final (makes Hughes a failure as well if trophies are the ultimate test?). Ranieri got 11 months under Abramovich, Grant lasted 9 months and came second in three major tournaments (makes Hughes look a real success?) and of course we all know about Jose with 5 trophies in 27 months (another failure there).

Salary isn't an issue for people who work in the PL as they all earn sufficient. If I was Hughes I would not go to Chelsea

So the last three managers failed? More like the owner is totally unrealistic in his targets and similarily unrealistic in his belief money can buy anyhting one desires. It's unlikely Chelsea will achieve the success he craves (i.e dominating Europe at the very least) as the club will be managed by men who have an attitude that failure doesn't really matter because failure represents financial success. Would you employ someone on that basis?

To select a line from The Times article: "Scolari remains in pole position for the job and he would relish one final pay-day;" Excellent start.

BTW I'm not knocking Hughes or suggesting he is a failure at Rovers. Far better to have a man like Hughes in charge and sensible owners / senior management. Hughes will go when the time is right for him, I simply don't think Chelsea is the right move for a man of his apparent ability. I also feel he has the intelligence to know that.

"...Salary isn't an issue for people who work in the PL as they all earn sufficient. If I was Hughes I would not go to Chelsea..."

We all hope Hughes stays; it's just that some of us manage to remain objective.

You're using an entirely subjective opinion, which you obviously can't see beyond, due to your own cosy prejudices and complacency. What you might understand by the term 'adequate' would be interpreted differently by others.

The point that you're missing Paul, is that the thread isn't devoted to you is it? There are factors that you dismiss, such as: ambition, greed, egotism, simply because you claim that they don't apply to you personally.

I have it on good authority that, when he was a Rovers player, Hughes's contract stipulated that he had to be the highest earner at the club. When that issue was put to some of the top Rovers' players at the time, some of them clearly had their noses put out of joint and fragile egos were obviously dented.

We're talking about exceptionally gifted, ambitious and egotistical sportsmen here (both Bentley and Hughes probably fall in to that category). So the fact that you wouldn't go to Chelsea is neither here no there. To think MH would not move for any of the reasons cited means that you're completely deluding yourself.

[Bobby G]

The way some of the papers quoted in Tribalfootball today are talking its a deadcert that Sparky is the new Man City manager. The arrogance is annoying!

[philipl]

Well pretty well all the press is carrying the story Nicko told us what seems a week ago- that the appatchiks of Chelski want Hughes but Abramovich prefers Scolari.

Scolari seems to be playing the coy but willing bridesmaid role well thus far so our speculation that Big Phil would throw a strop has not been borne out so far.

The unwelcome and unexpected turn of events is the weight of comment that City want Hughes which doesn't seem to be borne out entirely by Nicko's feedback from City contacts.

Are we seeing backdoor manoevres to make it appear there is an imminent risk of Hughes going to City to try to rush a decision at Chelsea?

And what is going on at City? All the best homegrown players seem to be on the point of leaving- whoever does end up there will end up having to do the sort of catalogue buying SGE did because there is close to no team left at Eastlands.

I don't want Hughes to go- it would be a disaster for Rovers- but were he to go to Chelsea I doubt he would come back shopping at Ewood. I cannot see Abramovich laying awake dreaming of Samba, Warnock and RSC playing at Stamford Bridge but a Hughes management at Eastlands might have little option but to come back to Ewood to take Rovers' spine because there isn't one to start from at City.

Incidentally, I can see no rational argument whatsoever that Hughes would stay at Ewood if Chelsea came calling but I desparately hope he would be very suspicious of any offer from Thaksin.

[bonerdude]

so when did david bently drop in price to 8.5 million. according to the sun hes only worth 8.5.....

[yoda]

You appear to know some Latin but not much English. When I say "salary is not an issue for people who work in the PL" I mean an adequate level of salary is guaranteed, it's just a question of how much. £3m, £4m, £10m per annumn - what difference does it make? For most people earning an extra £10k a year, for example, would make an enormous difference. If you're already earning, say, £3m, what difference does earning £4m per annum make?

So you're suggesting a poor season for Arsenal or United would put Wenger and Ferguson out of work? Seems unlikely to me. I agree Rafa would be under threat if Liverpool failed to qualify for the CL and the same might apply to the new Chelsea man, so that's 50% of EPL rather than EVERY CL manager - I haven't a clue about foreign clubs.

I'd guess they were probably set up for life before going to Chelsea. PL salaries are such that for most players or managers 2 or 3 seasons sets one up for life. I'm presuming both Ranieri and Mourhino will have had "reasonable" salaries at their previous clubs. If you give me a million today I wouldn't need to work for the rest of my life - though I don't need to live at the level footballers do.

Have the last three failed? Ranieri was doing OK before Abramovich came along though all he achieved was a losing Cup Final (makes Hughes a failure as well if trophies are the ultimate test?). Ranieri got 11 months under Abramovich, Grant lasted 9 months and came second in three major tournaments (makes Hughes look a real success?) and of course we all know about Jose with 5 trophies in 27 months (another failure there).

So the last three managers failed? More like the owner is totally unrealistic in his targets and similarily unrealistic in his belief money can buy anyhting one desires. It's unlikely Chelsea will achieve the success he craves (i.e dominating Europe at the very least) as the club will be managed by men who have an attitude that failure doesn't really matter because failure represents financial success. Would you employ someone on that basis?

To select a line from The Times article: "Scolari remains in pole position for the job and he would relish one final pay-day;" Excellent start.

BTW I'm not knocking Hughes or suggesting he is a failure at Rovers. Far better to have a man like Hughes in charge and sensible owners / senior management. Hughes will go when the time is right for him, I simply don't think Chelsea is the right move for a man of his apparent ability. I also feel he has the intelligence to know that.

salary is very important to SVG, he has fallen out with City over a £500,000 bonus payment which effectivly got him the sack!

[philipl]

so when did david bently drop in price to 8.5 million. according to the sun hes only worth 8.5.....

At the risk of restarting an old scrap, is that all Rovers would receive net out of a £15m transfer fee?

OK I am stirring the pot and have no factual basis for saying that other than Rovers did seem to get an unbelievably good deal when Bentley transferred to us.

[philipl]

salary is very important to SVG, he has fallen out with City over a £500,000 bonus payment which effectivly got him the sack!

I believe SGE has an expensive gambling lifestyle he needs to "support".