[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[MCMC1875]

We should have made it equally clear that that would not be possible and that permission was denied!

Can't push water uphill Rev.

[Claytons Left Boot]

As for the Rovers, we've seen it all before, Carey, Furphy, Lee, Smith, Kendall and even Souness have all be enticed away after achieving success at Ewood Park. Sadly, losing your manager and best players is all part of being a Blackburn Rovers supporter. It's nothing new, individuals come and go but the club goes on and that's the main thing.

Yep, I've been going for 42 years and that just about sums it up for us. We've had some very good years lately but mostly average to bad in the time I have been a Rover. I remember being devastated when Furphy took Tony Field to Sheffield United and also feeling the same when Shearer departed. No matter how good the good times are, you know that being a Rover, something like this will inevitibly happen. All the talk about us not being a selling club is utter bull. We are a selling club and we are a stepping stone, have been since 1961 and always will be to a certain degree.

However no one person, player or manager, is bigger than Blackburn Rovers and as you say, individuals come and go and the club goes on. It's just harder to take when other clubs dictate what happens at Ewood rather than the other way round.

Arise King Henning!

The king is dead, long live the king!

[RevidgeBlue]

He could have just resigned though surely?

He could, .................. but then he'd leave himself open to a humongous compensation claim from Rovers.

Which in practice I suppose his new club would pay.

[John]

Would be interesting to know what really has been going on in Hughes' mind.

I wonder when it finally sunk in for Hughes that he had to move on. Has Bentley known that the manager future is unclear, therefore did not want to commit. Or, as mentioned, is this just a ploy to make Chelsea show their hand.

On him wanting to join Man City, what irks me is that he cannot be that fed up with us surely, finishing 7th and with the board seemingly going to provide him with more money this summer.

[Parasyte]

If Hughes has Thaksin's million, I doubt he'll come back to Rovers for players. Perhaps Santa, but no-one else. Either too old (Nelsen) or not hugely better/worse than what Citeh have.

What I'd like to be made clear is if Sparky ever made clear that if/when a club came in he'd be more than happy to wander, especially after the Barcodes fiasco. If the board had any inkling this might happen, I would hope a fairly exhaustive list of potentials was already made reay to be quick off the mark, with regards to managers who meet the criteris of European influence, experience, etc.

[Nelsta]

Seem's Mourinho has been oppointed manager of Inter.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Catching up with the discussion, I wondered for a while that Rev Blue might be in discussions with the club to be Hughes' replacement. And then..

My criteria for the new guy is:

- Has to be well turned out and good looking

- Can crack a joke and outgob Ferguson

- Is metrosexual

[RevidgeBlue]

The other point about this is, after simply rolling over when the mighty Manchester City came a calling for christssake, how can we ever look a player in the eye again and tell him he is under contract and going nowhere etc.?

[nono91291]

ctv production team have all just got back from Russia, production did not reach completion and I am told it was a video shoot for the incoming manager who they thought was to be Hiddink !

they have all to be in work for 0700 tomorrow morning

Bizarre, not that I'm questioning the actual info, but what could they possibly be shooting in regards to Hiddink.

I heard it was Hiddink months ago and all that's going on at the moment is a little bit of denial while it's tied down. He has been protesting a little too much!

[tony gale's mic]

The other point about this is, after simply rolling over when the mighty Manchester City came a calling for christssake, how can we ever look a player in the eye again and tell him he is under contract and going nowhere etc.?

Players can't resign (well they can technically, but it makes far less sense). Managers can.

[RevidgeBlue]

My criteria for the new guy is:

- Is metrosexual

What does that mean? Is it some trendy left wing description for a "new man"?

[John]

All hell is going to break loose methinks.

Apparently we have already contacted Allardyce with a view to taking over (Hughes told Williams last week that he wanted to move on).

Nicko have you heard anything on the Sam in talk?

Weird to think that it was not so long ago that Hughes was supposedly in Spain looking at summer transfer targets for us....

[gbax]

Am I completely alone in wondering why on earth we have granted Citeh permission to speak to Hughes?

He is our manager under contract, and in my view should have been told he is going nowhere unless a job of similar calibre to Chelsea or ManUre comes up.

In that instance it would obviously be churlish to stand in his way, but we shouldn't in my view encourage him into a sideways move elsewhere.

Permission should have been refused point blank and I'm sure Hughes would have been professional enough to get on with the job.

There's no-one better out there to do the job imo, he just needs a little bit of funding to remain competitive.

Very disappointed in John Williams, the Board and the Trustees after today's developments.

Not sure about the Board and the Trustees, but I know that it would not have been a decision taken lightly by John Williams. I've met him several times and unlike Hughes, this bloke is now and has been for sometime Rovers through and through. Ewood is no longer just a place of work for him, it's also his passion. Plenty of other (bigger) clubs have tried to steer Mr. Williams away from Rovers due to the successful ship he runs, but he has stayed very loyal. This bloke has been as important to Blackburn Rovers in the last 10-15 as any million dollar or 30 goal-a-season signing.

As with a players (or my staff at work - not on the same wages) if they want to go or are not happy it is no good for all concerned for them to stay. John W has to think beyond Hughes, not tomorrow, not next week but several years. If he stays through choice or we force him to stay, do we go through this situation again and again till Hughes decides it's in his interest to go. After the Newcastle will he/won't he, it might be in the interest of Rovers and better for the club long term if the CLUB decides when it's time for him to go/let go. If that time is now, sad as it is, I personally have 100% confidence that John Williams will make the right move!

Hey, but that's just my opinion!

[RevidgeBlue]

Players can't resign (well they can technically, but it makes far less sense). Managers can.

Technically I'd have thought there's absolutely no difference between the two, other than the fact that the clubs hold the players' registration.

[RibbleValleyRover]

All hell is going to break loose methinks.

Apparently we have already contacted Allardyce with a view to taking over (Hughes told Williams last week that he wanted to move on).

Nicko have you heard anything on the Sam in talk?

Weird to think that it was not so long ago that Hughes was supposedly in Spain looking at summer transfer targets for us....

Oh god No!

[RovertheHill]

Not sure about the Board and the Trustees, but I know that it would not have been a decision taken lightly by John Williams. I've met him several times and unlike Hughes, this bloke is now and has been for sometime Rovers through and through. Ewood is no longer just a place of work for him, it's also his passion. Plenty of other (bigger) clubs have tried to steer Mr. Williams away from Rovers due to the successful ship he runs, but he has stayed very loyal. This bloke has been as important to Blackburn Rovers in the last 10-15 as any million dollar or 30 goal-a-season signing.

As with a players (or my staff at work - not on the same wages) if they want to go or are not happy it is no good for all concerned for them to stay. John W has to think beyond Hughes, not tomorrow, not next week but several years. If he stays through choice or we force him to stay, do we go through this situation again and again till Hughes decides it's in his interest to go. After the Newcastle will he/won't he, it might be in the interest of Rovers and better for the club long term if the CLUB decides when it's time for him to go/let go. If that time is now, sad as it is, I personally have 100% confidence that John Williams will make the right move!

Hey, but that's just my opinion!

Completely agree and a very rational post.

BUT FOR MAN CITY...

[EwoodGlory]

All hell is going to break loose methinks.

Apparently we have already contacted Allardyce with a view to taking over (Hughes told Williams last week that he wanted to move on).

Nicko have you heard anything on the Sam in talk?

Weird to think that it was not so long ago that Hughes was supposedly in Spain looking at summer transfer targets for us....

Please no!

If this happens, I blame Den for locking the 'No to Fat Sam' thread

Surely the club must know the fans don't want him

[USRoverME]

Maybe I'm alone here, but I'm not bothered by hughes talking with Citeh, to be honest, given this scenario:

Sinatra is rich, Sparky thinks Sinatra's going to splash enough cash to make them a top four contender. Sparky wants to be a top 4 manager, that's clear. Sparky meets with the Citeh board, finds out there really is not enough cash there, and turns them down, AND he says publically, or at least to the players that the lack of cash to make them a top 4 side is why he turned them down.

How does that really make his hold on coaching job here untenable? He is basically confirming to the side that Rovers with less money is better than Citeh with cash... How can anyone be upset at that? If a top 4 potential side came in for any of the players, they'd jump at the cahnce to at least find out about teh potential. Is this not the same? Besides if he does bolt for a top four side that comes in for him, wouldn't player want to come to Rovers for a half season or a full season to show their wares to a manager that will soon "step up" and have a lot of $$ to spend when he does... I think it might make us MORE attractive, in the short term, for class players trying toget a glamour move to a top english side.

I really think the "hughes is out no matter what" position to be a bit rash in light of events coming out of the blue to surprise us. Fear of the unknown and all that.

[RevidgeBlue]

All hell is going to break loose methinks.

Apparently we have already contacted Allardyce with a view to taking over (Hughes told Williams last week that he wanted to move on).

Nicko have you heard anything on the Sam in talk?

Weird to think that it was not so long ago that Hughes was supposedly in Spain looking at summer transfer targets for us....

Where have you got this from john?

Judging by the comments on here, Allardyce would be a hell of a risk in the sense a large proportion of fans don't seem to want him. (I wouldn't be unhappy with him at all)

If he didn't get off to a flying start, he might have his work cut out in the same way the fans never seemed to warm to him at Newcastle.

[Bobby G]

If John Williams believes Allardyce is the right man then he has my vote cause I hold JW in very high regard.

[Lathund]

Technically I'd have thought there's absolutely no difference between the two, other than the fact that the clubs hold the players' registration.

Which is a pretty major difference, and the reason you can't make direct comparisons between players and managers.

[John]

Its in the Sun tomorrow I think (it was also mentioned in there today by the way).

As I mentioned in the other thread, it is the logical choice bearing in mind we don't have much cash...

I also think some of have to except that there is not that many decent managers around.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

All hell is going to break loose methinks.

Apparently we have already contacted Allardyce with a view to taking over (Hughes told Williams last week that he wanted to move on).

Nicko have you heard anything on the Sam in talk?

Weird to think that it was not so long ago that Hughes was supposedly in Spain looking at summer transfer targets for us....

Which makes you wonder if the board have gone back on their word on extra cash for the manager. Thus the resulting; "any club but rovers attitude" Man City are a joke club what have they ever done to suggest taht they will break into the top 4 or win anything for that matter. Additionaly they have a corrupt clown running the show. Good luck Mr Hughes you will need it and then some.

He is also nowhere near the top of United's list to replace RFW.

[Paul Mellelieu]

What does that mean? Is it some trendy left wing description for a "new man"?

Lighten up Rev, with all the abuse you, Eddie and Rover6 have given the dragon this year I'd have thought you'd be right happy.

There might just be a feeling at EP that Hughes has lost interest is bound to go, and maybe now rather than later is the worst of two evils

I don't think metrosexual is 'trendy left wing', and I'm not sure what it means, I just like the sound of it.

BTW I agree with you Rev about Big Sam; I'd be happy with him as boss, based on the current options.

[RevidgeBlue]

Which is a pretty major difference, and the reason you can't make direct comparisons between players and managers.

Still both technically liable for compensation for breach of contract though.