LeChuck Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 He also picked up the Johnstone's Paint Trophy along with miraculously staving off relegation for Macclesfield. He won League Two by the way, which is a step up from merely promotion. I'm still not sure it qualifies him to tick any of the boxes. Who won League One? Aren't they more qualified?
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joey_big_nose Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 I'm still not sure it qualifies him to tick any of the boxes. Who won League One? Aren't they more qualified? I think you are putting yourself in a bit of a logic trap there. By definition you are saying that we should appoint on the basis of league finishes. Hughes, Southgate, Roy Keane, McClaren, Steve Bruce etc. would never have got a job in that case. Hughes started with Wales, Ince had no sponsor so had to start from lower down the leagues. I am not sure Ince's achievements in the lower leagues are less impressive than Hughes' management of Wales.
LWX Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 I wish Hughes all the best......... but then on the other hand, that little devil on my shoulder would love to see him frig it up at city and get the sack......
LeChuck Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 I think you are putting yourself in a bit of a logic trap there. By definition you are saying that we should appoint on the basis of league finishes. Well...I wasn't using my logic, I was using the logic that he's qualified because he won League Two. I was kind of playing devil's advocate to show I didn't agree with it by mentioning League One.
Sandiway Blue Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 just had a £ on KIETH HILL Don`t ever complain about the price of tickets again! You can`t be that poor throwing your money around........
Hughesy Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Here’s a few I could think of and wasn’t sure any of them are in jobs. Didier Deschamps, Ginola, Cantona, Marcel Desaily Roberto Di Matteo Peter Schmichael (or however you spell them)
blue/white Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Simon Garner's take on the situation. Good find, den... I think ol' Simon hits the nail on the head on many a point. Personally, I'm just coming out of my blue funk after news. What cheered me was the last quote from that w@@ker Thaksisisisisn appling firm pressure on Sparky to finish in Europe. For Rovers, Sparky will be a hard act to follow-- certainly harder if J Williams opts for the like of Shearer or FFSA. Rovers, the little engine has has pushed above it's weight (if I may destroy my metaphors) is at a crossroads. As someone has already mentioned, the difference b/t us and some champoinship sides is a good manager (and the board ). For my two pence, I'd say that JW could do worse than going the Sparky route once again (ex-player w/ personality-- perhaps Ince as the best example) or a foreign name (Scolari would be brillant, Mancini seems to be looking for work, and he'd look brillant standing on the Ewood sideline resplendant in a Rovers' scarf-- most dashing ). This summer promises to be a pivotal one as my San Lorenzo are also conducting a coaching search after Ramon Diaz walked off after a successful spell in charge, both clubs find themselves in similar positions in that they must follow tough acts. One other point: it would seem the club recognized Sparky's wanderlust and started removing obstacles for his Ewood Pk exit. With our hindsight specs we can look back to a. no Jan window additions b. Hughes signing a new deal -- especially the second point. The club set a compo price in the inevitable case that some big boy came calling for Sparky. While I am certain 0% of us thought Sparky would remain at Rovers for 20+ years a la Fergie... --- I remain quite hurt right now... :!:
Eddie Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 As someone has already mentioned, the difference b/t us and some champoinship sides is a good manager (and the board ). ? Name me a championship side that has players of similar quality to Benni, RSC, Bentley or Friedel? None. Now move onto our second ring of talents like Nelsen, Samba, MGP, Ooijer, Zurab, Vogel, Warnock or Emerton? None. Derbyshire, Roberts or Reid? We can play ourselves down, but we have a good squad with a few holes that can easily be filled. That is not a championship level squad. Championship size support maybe. Championship level of income (excluding prize money and tv deals)? Certainly. That squad deserves its place in the top half of the premiership. Couple good signings and some tactics that actually work and things could be very good.
RIML Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 We need someone popular, popular with the fans, popular in the game itself so i reckon its got to be Shearer and King Kenny. Both of them would be quality. We definitely don't want someone ugly, fat and not popular and Lard Arse fits into this category. I wouldn't have minded him at first but now when i come to think of him being Rovers manager i feel physically sick.
Blue n White Rover Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Did anyone see the David Ginola interview on SSN, if so what was he saying? Could be a good coup for Rovers. P.s. Sorry if it has been mentioned before
LeChuck Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 We need someone popular, popular with the fans, popular in the game itself so i reckon its got to be Shearer and King Kenny. Both of them would be quality. As much as I love that, an assistant with excellent tactical knowledge would have to be brought in alongside them both. The game has moved on a lot since King Kenny was around, I'm not sure he'd be much use in the tactical department anymore, but he was always excellent at spotting talent in players others weren't keen on (Le Saux for example), so he could be priceless in that aspect. Maybe a Director of Football role could allow him scout for players (I wonder how good his contacts are now?) and to be the link between the academy and first team as well, letting Shearer and no. 2 get on with first team duties.
Presty On Tour Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Did anyone see the David Ginola interview on SSN, if so what was he saying? Could be a good coup for Rovers. P.s. Sorry if it has been mentioned before could you imagine David Ginola as our manager? he's probably wash.....and go seriously though it would be a strange appointment, no previous managerial experience though i'm willing to give anyone a chance if jw feels he can do the job.
rebelmswar Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 could you imagine David Ginola as our manager? he's probably wash.....and go seriously though it would be a strange appointment, no previous managerial experience though i'm willing to give anyone a chance if jw feels he can do the job. Our board has a fine record of finding diamonds in the rough, player and managers
rover6 Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Well...I wasn't using my logic, I was using the logic that he's qualified because he won League Two. I was kind of playing devil's advocate to show I didn't agree with it by mentioning League One. I think that the logic is that (a) He's won a league title and a cup ( His team allegedly play pleasant passing football © He is a big name and character who the players would swoon over (d) He has displayed the mental strength to succeed at the top level as a player, which may be suggestive of his suit persona. I have to admit, not a water-tight argument - by a long shot. Was the MK Dons success a flash in the pan? And was it, along with the Macclesfield achievement, the sort of Ronnie Moore/Micky Adams localised success that is not transferable in the upper echelons of football? How much of the success was down to small-time players being wowed into action by a celebrity? Big questions for Mr Williams. If it ever gets that far. I would actually like JW and Co. to look at the most successful lower league managers, and not just the famous names. However, such candidates need to be investigated meticulously because Terry Butcher-style - Blood and thunder, up 'n' at 'em management does get results and is unlikely to work at our level. All tho, Allardyci would beg to differ.
LeChuck Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 I didn't know MK Dons had a reputation for playing good football, but I did cover the rest by saying something like "apart from being a player...", which is where the rest comes from. To be honest, if we were going to take a punt on anyone from League Two, I'd prefer Darren Ferguson. I watched something on TV where Barry Fry was talking about him, he said he's totally transformed the place. Apparently they play excellent football for that level, they interviewed some attacking players who said the freedom they were being given was inspiring all the players. If he's even half the manager his father is we'd be on to a winner. You never know, RFW might even pass his black book on to him when he's finished...
brfcshabba Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Alan Shearer has been spotted at Ewood Park today Was that before or after he went to Brockhall?
Hughesy Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Many people have mentioned Shearer at Brockhall today - anything in it??
Ste B Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 Many people have mentioned Shearer at Brockhall today - anything in it?? Probably a few ex-residents who've come off the drugs too soon.
philipl Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 When I referred to there being a lot of managerial talent out there, the two in the lowest divisions I had in mind were Darren Ferguson and Roberto Martinez.
Hughesy Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 I wouldnt really be happy with any managers in the lower british leagues - i dont believe they have good enough contacts in Europe to get us to that next level.
doctorryan Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 --> QUOTE(Ste B @ Jun 5 2008, 15:31 ) 617410[/snapback] Probably a few ex-residents who've come off the drugs too soon. You know; it's getting on enough, in terms of time, since we purchased Brockhall that there are probably more than a few on here nowadays (especially overseas supporters) that don't completely get that Steb. But it's still a good one.
Paul Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 To be honest, if we were going to take a punt on anyone from League Two, I'd prefer Darren Ferguson. I watched something on TV where Barry Fry was talking about him, he said he's totally transformed the place. Apparently they play excellent football for that level, they interviewed some attacking players who said the freedom they were being given was inspiring all the players. I've a friend who supports and watches Posh on a regular basis and he talks very highly of DF as a fooball manager. He talks less highly of him as a man who assaults his (former) wife.
tony gale's mic Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 We shouldn't be going after ANY League Two manager IMO.
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