[Archived] Next Rovers Manager

[thenodrog]

I was depressed with all this before drinking.

Off to the pub now for some food and no doubt a pint, could be all over very soon.

Can somebody nip round to John's house and garb his tie and his shoelaces?

[AnotherToonFan]

As a Newcastle fan I would love to see you get Allardyce to repay you for Souness. In reality I would only wish him on the mackems as he's hopeless.

When we got him I thought he was the best manager possible for our club, he was a manager who in the past had worked on a tight transfer budget and we were a club carrying a massive amount of debt because our fat chairman sacked a legend in sir Bobby Robson and appointed a manager who had destroyed more teams than he'd improved.

Some of you may remember that you were playing shocking football and were below us in the league before we came begging and had the stupidity to pay you compensation for Souness.

Well, we appointed Allardyce and the players he brought in failed miserably under him. We started off OK and had won a few games and looked reasonable but not too good. Allardyce started playing with his formations, we tried to attack the opposition at home and tried to play 4-5-1 away from home. We went to some terrible teams like Derby and Reading and tried to stop them scoring, Derby had the worst defensive and goal scoring records at that time in the season and we went for 0-0 and got beaten.

The players hadn't a clue what Allardyce wanted to do and neither could we. Honestly, the reason for this is that he didn't know what he was doing, the bloke was clueless.

Don't be fooled by our position when he left, we looked reasonably comfortable on paper but in reality we were deep in the brown smelly stuff because we'd had such an easy start to the season. Look at the teams we played just after Christmas, Man U twice, and Arsenal twice, Chelsea, Liverpool, Villa and you lot. We had a couple of easy'ish games but the team were on a massive downer because of Fat Sam and it took Keegan a while to change the way the players were feeling. Keegan is a brilliant motivator and he still struggled early on because Fatty had removed any confidence the players had.

To finish that bit off, avoid him like the plague.

On Shearer, why not go for him?

Shearer might come to us if offered but Keegan is here for 3 years so you would have at least that time and it doesn't matter who you bring in, they could easily leave if a better offer came along. Shearer is selfish and that might just drive him on to become a success. Shearer has a soft spot for Blackburn so will do everything possible to take you forwards, if some of you have a chip because he left you then you need to get over it, he gave you a lot so that is what you should remember him for, not that he left.

[1864roverite]

As a Newcastle fan I would love to see you get Allardyce to repay you for Souness. In reality I would only wish him on the mackems as he's hopeless.

When we got him I thought he was the best manager possible for our club, he was a manager who in the past had worked on a tight transfer budget and we were a club carrying a massive amount of debt because our fat chairman sacked a legend in sir Bobby Robson and appointed a manager who had destroyed more teams than he'd improved.

Some of you may remember that you were playing shocking football and were below us in the league before we came begging and had the stupidity to pay you compensation for Souness.

Well, we appointed Allardyce and the players he brought in failed miserably under him. We started off OK and had won a few games and looked reasonable but not too good. Allardyce started playing with his formations, we tried to attack the opposition at home and tried to play 4-5-1 away from home. We went to some terrible teams like Derby and Reading and tried to stop them scoring, Derby had the worst defensive and goal scoring records at that time in the season and we went for 0-0 and got beaten.

The players hadn't a clue what Allardyce wanted to do and neither could we. Honestly, the reason for this is that he didn't know what he was doing, the bloke was clueless.

Don't be fooled by our position when he left, we looked reasonably comfortable on paper but in reality we were deep in the brown smelly stuff because we'd had such an easy start to the season. Look at the teams we played just after Christmas, Man U twice, and Arsenal twice, Chelsea, Liverpool, Villa and you lot. We had a couple of easy'ish games but the team were on a massive downer because of Fat Sam and it took Keegan a while to change the way the players were feeling. Keegan is a brilliant motivator and he still struggled early on because Fatty had removed any confidence the players had.

To finish that bit off, avoid him like the plague.

On Shearer, why not go for him?

Shearer might come to us if offered but Keegan is here for 3 years so you would have at least that time and it doesn't matter who you bring in, they could easily leave if a better offer came along. Shearer is selfish and that might just drive him on to become a success. Shearer has a soft spot for Blackburn so will do everything possible to take you forwards, if some of you have a chip because he left you then you need to get over it, he gave you a lot so that is what you should remember him for, not that he left.

ANTF

A lesson for you Geordies, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SEW.

Over the many years, Newcastle have looked from afar and have admired Blackburn Rovers FC in the manner in which the way the club is run, they have most certainly coveted the very fact that we have managed to win trophies.

As a result of your clubs fascination with everything that Rovers have been, your senior management have seen fit to poach our staff in order to try and break your trophyless mould.

Smith - success at Ewood FAILURE at Newcastle

Lee - success at Ewood FAILURE at Newcastle

King Kenny - success at Ewood FAILURE at Newcastle

Souness - success at Ewood FAILURE at Newcastle

Shearer - success at Ewood FAILURE (goals aside) at Newcastle, we also add Batty,Given,Bailey,Gallacher and Keeley to that list !

So dont come on here with the dribble about you wanting us to have Sam as punishment for the poor effort of your club with Souness.

The MASSIVE difference with our club is that our incoming manager, whoever it is, is joining a stable top 7 Premiership Club with rock solid foundations and a good squad in place. When Souness joined your club, you were in the same mess your in now and have been for many years.

We dont wash with your we have 50000 fans every week so we ARE a top club. We have 23400 fans at home games and we dont care. We have a successful work ethic in our club whereas you simply dont have. You have a chairman who dreams whereas we have a chairman who lives in the real world.

Our way has seen us win trophies, your way just proves the fact that NUFC are losers and will remain forever so.

That last sentence is not a dig at you its REALITY. As soon as you understand it the quicker you will get over it.

Now then........JOG ON

Oh Yes, one more thing. The only thing Newcastle havent done that mirrors Rovers is to change you awful black and @#/? stripes to Blue and White Halves

[tony gale's mic]

Ince or McLaren?

So our options is someone who has managed only half-amateur clubs and one who spectacularly failed one of the most talented sides in the world?

You do take the most negative view of things and I can't understand why. If you care to look at one or two other threads you'll find theyre far from our only options.

[dj54nna]

Ten Cate now has my vote. Well above all the other current contenders.

[USRoverME]

but you can't moan about positive options...

[rover6]

It's so difficult to judge managers from the distance we fans are at. Even after leaving prejudices aside. You think a manager's a hotshot and next thing they crash like a blimin' sub-prime mortgage thingymijig. Or you reckon someone's absolutely pants and then they get promoted.

For example, Iain Dowie did a marvellous job at Oldham, got Palace promoted in the manner of a miracle-worker - but look what happened at Coventry. His stock has fallen mightily. Another one is Aidy Boothroyd, if we were looking for a boss last pre-season, Boothroyd would've had many a supporters. Yet his Watford team have been stricken miserable and even long balls won't rouse them. Pardew - what the hell has happened with that guy, aside from the curse that I placed on him for being the most slimy, abhorrent piece of work in the Premier League back then?

Bryan Robson did an unprecedented job at West Brom in keeping them up - but now... Neil Warnock was considered a mediocre clogger of a manager but suddenly he's revitilised Crystal Palace with a youth revolution (and long punts to Scowcroft or whoever). Still a clogger, though. And Tony Pulis was the manager operating the neanderthal tactics of unleashing brutish forwards with sharp elbows upon the opposition - and next thing we know, he's in the Premier League.

The morale of the story is, I think, there aren't many genuinely good British managers. And the one's who are getting success, especially lower down, tend to operate with big gobs and direct football. And when the gobs get boring and the long balls are dealt with, their tactics crumble.

(However, they do at least speak the typical thicko player patois - which gives them a major advantage over these foreign bigwigs who turn up like Alain Perrin and don't know a 'gaffer' from a 'show 'em who's f****** boss, ya hear me?!!!'.)

[philipl]

Actually 1864 whilst I completely agree that everyone who has gone from Ewood to St James except Given has not lived up to their Ewood billing, I thought ANTF was very reasonable and genuine in his post and gave an excellent account of why BFS was so bad at Newcastle and why KK took a while to get them going again.

I had been in the "not first choice but I'd take him" on BFS but I am rapidly moving into the "No thanks" camp although not yet in the "We'll dig up the M65 to stop him" camp. Probably because its a bit difficult digging up the M65 sitting in Malta.

Anyway, the leaks we have indicate BFS is a long way down the club's thinking at present and that the club has approached Shearer and ten Cate to ask if they wish to be considered and both said yes.

Great post rover6. I will be surprised if the next boss is British.

[Billy Castell]

I may be wrong but Ferguson Jnr. and Ince have not got the reputation for playing nicer football. So................my choices in order would be:

1. Ten Cate (even if his association with the job is dodgy)

2. M. Laudrup (but minus clauses)

3. Johnson

4. Ince

5. Houllier

6. BFS

And the names I do not want, in order at all are:

1. Shearer (what has he done, and he'll be off to the barcodes ASAP)

2. McClown

3. Souness

[thenodrog]

Shearer - success at Ewood FAILURE (goals aside) at Newcastle,

Bit unfair that 1864. no one apart from us will ever know how good he was until he wrecked his knee, he slowed down but he was still fantastic but when he went to the Mags he wrecked his ankle too and became a lumbering shadow of the kid we bought. His goals for them simply illustrate what a fantastic striker he was.

[allrovertheworld]

Just in case anyone is still upset at Hughes going ( I am not ) Mark Hughes took this football clubs as far has HE could take it. Our football club can go further. Semi Finals can become finals look at Portsmouth or Cardiff and their FA cup run. That can be us.

[Billy Castell]

By the way, Berg has been mentioned as a 'dark horse' on SSN. Lyn are currently 7th, is that good?

[Hasta]

Despite all that's happened and been talked about this week my preferred choice is still Advocat.

[LeChuck]

By the way, Berg has been mentioned as a 'dark horse' on SSN. Lyn are currently 7th, is that good?

Surely we'd want the absolute cream of talent if we were to take a risk on someone from Norway, 7th doesn't sound great at all.

[broadsword]

So you just judge a manager on his league placing? Grant is a better manager than Hughes, then.

Not that I'd want Henning at this stage, but still.

[thenodrog]

So you just judge a manager on his league placing? Grant is a better manager than Hughes, then.

I still say that Hughes was a good and competent manager..... but a bloody brilliant scout. And that is what we may miss most.

[Hughesy]

After todays news - I think Advocaat comes a close second to Ten Cate. Both are great options though. Followed by Houllier and Laudrup (without clauses).

Despite all that's happened and been talked about this week my preferred choice is still Advocat.

[philipl]

After todays news - I think Advocaat comes a close second to Ten Cate. Both are great options though. Followed by Houllier and Laudrup (without clauses).

Advocat is a non-runner. He earns far too much at Zenit so any bets on him are completely wasted.

After tax etc. we'd need to pay £5m a year to be competitive.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Advocat is a non-runner. He earns far too much at Zenit so any bets on him are completely wasted.

After tax etc. we'd need to pay £5m a year to be competitive.

I seriously doubt that Advocaat is on anywhere near £100K per week. That sort of cash will make him the highest paid manger in the world which he is not. My guess is that he would be earning 2-3 million net.

[blue/white]

I'll lend you a map of England with Blackburn marked with a big X should you decide to come eddie. You'll be able to find Ewood Park by giving a cabbie about £3.00.

brillant !

[philipl]

I seriously doubt that Advocaat is on anywhere near £100K per week. That sort of cash will make him the highest paid manger in the world which he is not. My guess is that he would be earning 2-3 million net.

Yes you got that right.

Now gross nearly £3m (Advocaat's in hand money this year admitedly including bonuses for success) up for tax at 40% plus National Insurance. Then add the free living in a magnificent property in one of the world's most stunning cities and free use of the Merc S class and assess those for benefit in kind for tax and pay the rent for them.

Of course you might have a clever ruse for Rovers not paying taxes but if you do, please make sure its your door the City of London Police knock on at 4.30 in the morning.

It is always nice to agree with me isn't it?

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Yes you got that right.

Now gross nearly £3m (Advocaat's in hand money this year admitedly including bonuses for success) up for tax at 40% plus National Insurance. Then add the free living in a magnificent property in one of the world's most stunning cities and free use of the Merc S class and assess those for benefit in kind for tax and pay the rent for them.

Of course you might have a clever ruse for Rovers not paying taxes but if you do, please make sure its your door the City of London Police knock on at 4.30 in the morning.

It is always nice to agree with me isn't it?

It should have read NET ( My mistake ) and the top rate of Tax in russia for foreign nationals is 30%.

Are you still standing by your original proclamation? That Dick Advocat earns upwards of 100k per week. Making him the highest earning manager in the world.

[philipl]

We are talking Zenit St Petersburg which is Gazprom's club; that minor company whose former Chairman is now President Medvedev.

They will (or probably not in practise as all his costs could get used a tax deductible corporate expense elsewhere) pay Advocaat's taxes for him so he gets cash in hand plus all the perks (which are not taxable). This is the usual way in which the 13% tax rate for locally paid foreigners (ie employed by Russians) spending more than 183 days in Russia is dealt with.

So you are still agreeing with me that Rovers would have to offer £5m (give or take a few chauffeurs and bodyguards) to match his net position at Zenit.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

We are talking Zenit St Petersburg which is Gazprom's club; that minor company whose former Chairman is now President Medvedev.

They will (or probably not in practise as all his costs could get used a tax deductible corporate expense elsewhere) pay Advocaat's taxes for him so he gets cash in hand plus all the perks (which are not taxable). This is the usual way in which the 13% tax rate for locally paid foreigners (ie employed by Russians) spending more than 183 days in Russia is dealt with.

So you are still agreeing with me that Rovers would have to offer £5m (give or take a few chauffeurs and bodyguards) to match his net position at Zenit.

Your "bull***t baffles brains" excercise dont work on me Pip. Advocaat is not the highest paid manager in the world & he does not earn upwards of a 100k per week.

Reports said Advocaat has accepted a new deal to remain with Russian club Zenit St Petersburg, said to be worth $4 million a year.”

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/17/2093670.htm.

Advocaat said the decision to stay with Zenit St Petersburg, the club he took to the Russian league title this month, was not easy, but in the end the money -- believed to be $4 million a year and more than double the Socceroos' offer -- was too much to pass up.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21...5005408,00.html

[JAL]

Next Rovers manager.

Cant help but think of Micheal Laudrup from the names being banded about this purely on his talents on the football field rather than as a manager.If his teams match him then Rovers should bring him over pronto.

Ten Cate also seems a very strong candidate but who ever it is can the club back them up financially.