[Archived] Next Rovers Manager

[waggy]

BTW SHEARER HAS MADE IT KNOWN HE WANTS TO SPEAK TO THE ROVERS

[Billy Castell]

Why can't he start at Darlington or someone and then become our manager if he's any good? Shearer should not be considered. End of story.

[thenodrog]

Why can't he start at Darlington or someone and then become our manager if he's any good? Shearer should not be considered. End of story.

What you got against Darlo then?

[philipl]

This is the article Hasta referred to- Advocaat's pre-UEFA Cup final interview

These are the player bonuses Zenit were splashing according to the ever-unreliable Daily Mail

Those terrible fibbers at FIFA reported that Advocaat took a new contract for 2007/8 replacing his previous USD $4m a year deal.

Put that lot together and an estimate of Advocaat taking £3m in 2007/8 might be on the low side.

BSNG has got himself utterly confused.

Yes pre-tax salaries are invariably quoted but when people move internationally they are always primarilly interested in the after-tax number and that is how they compare jobs.

So pre-tax Advocaat's Zenit job is not the highest paid in the world- that is entirely a figment of BSNG's imagination and I have never said anything about which club pays the highest managerial wages. In fact I think only Monaco back in the '90s have ever made such a claim.

However, if you compare a tax rate of 13% in Russia (and I repeat I suspect that Zenit might well pay that for him as is relatively common for Russian entities employing highly desired foreigners) with 40% in the UK for instance, then any English Premier League club has to pay more than a quarter more to deliver an after tax sum equivalent to a Russian club.

It is all very simple really.

[tony gale's mic]

1-EVERYONE HAS TO START SOMEWERE

2-NOT EVERY COACH MAKES A GOOD MANAGER,ASK BRIAN KIDD ANS RAY HARFORD

3-HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TEACH ROBERTS AND MACARTHY WERE THE NET IS THOUGH

4-DAGLISH'S FIRST LOVE IS CELTIC

5-MY CV WAS SENT LAST MONDAY

6-I WOULD TAKE SHEARER OVER TEN BOB/FAT SAM/OR THE BROLLY MAN

1. So you want Shearer to use Rovers as the club to see if he's any good at management? Put us at risk of ending up amongst the relegation places?

2. True but at least if he'd had some coaching experience then we could half excuse his lack of management experience. Some coaching experience would be better than no experience at all, which is what he has.

3. You don't seem to understand the role of the manager...it's not like Mark Hughes was a bad striker in his day was it?!

4. But Dalglish had won plenty of things with Liverpool. He had experience which he could bring to the job.

5/6. ten Cate is a better candidate and if you can't see that then you seriously need to get a grip on reality.

[Billy Castell]

What you got against Darlo then?

They beat Barnet for promotion into the football league in 1991 or thereabouts. 1st lower league team from the North East I could think of to be honest. Shearer coming to us would be worse than John Barnes' reign at Celtic.

[roversmum]

I have had a fair bit of experience in recruitment, short-listing and appointing, as have JW and the Board.

I have swung in favour of this candidate and that over the past few days, but in the end I trust them to make the correct decision - when it comes down to it they only want for Rovers what we, the fans do.

[waggy]

1. So you want Shearer to use Rovers as the club to see if he's any good at management? Put us at risk of ending up amongst the relegation places?

2. True but at least if he'd had some coaching experience then we could half excuse his lack of management experience. Some coaching experience would be better than no experience at all, which is what he has.

3. You don't seem to understand the role of the manager...it's not like Mark Hughes was a bad striker in his day was it?!

4. But Dalglish had won plenty of things with Liverpool. He had experience which he could bring to the job.

5/6. ten Cate is a better candidate and if you can't see that then you seriously need to get a grip on reality.

lets face it i want shearer and you want ten bob,shearer is a runner ten bob is a figment of nicko mind,we will have to disagree

[tony gale's mic]

lets face it i want shearer and you want ten bob,shearer is a runner ten bob is a figment of nicko mind,we will have to disagree

A Dutch newspaper reported on ten Cate "not wanting to wait for Rovers" while nicko was still sitting on the story and not telling us.

[RoyRover]

We could do a lot worse than Henk Ten Cate. After coaching at Barcelona, Ajax and Chelsea he would bring a huge amount of experience and knowledge to our team. He would also have good contacts and insight into to potential transfer targets. The guy is supposed to be a bit of a lunatic, but so was Souness and Hughes didn't take any messing. Just as long we don't go for Big Sam or McClaren, we will be doing okay.

[Roost]

1-EVERYONE HAS TO START SOMEWERE

2-NOT EVERY COACH MAKES A GOOD MANAGER,ASK BRIAN KIDD ANS RAY HARFORD

3-HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO TEACH ROBERTS AND MACARTHY WERE THE NET IS THOUGH

4-DAGLISH'S FIRST LOVE IS CELTIC

5-MY CV WAS SENT LAST MONDAY

6-I WOULD TAKE SHEARER OVER TEN BOB/FAT SAM/OR THE BROLLY MAN

I couldnt agree more Gaz - How does anyone know just how well/badly Shearer will fare?

One thing is for certain, he must be a better bet than aLARDyce or McLOSER - because they have both failed miderably in their previous jobs.

Shearer would be a great boost for the club, town, fans and BRFC credibility.

For all those that can see in to the future and predict that Shearer would be a disaster - can you let me know in advance just what he will do wrong?

This is about getting the right man to get the best out of the players, leading by example and learning the job - exactly the reasons NOT to employ LARD or LOSER.

One Love - BRFC

[philipl]

Newcastle urgings Shearer to get his managerial experience at Blackburn. He was too inexperienced to manage Newcastle.

[Hasta]

Whilst not being opposed to shearer, some people are a bit taken in with the razzmatazz.

I couldnt agree more Gaz - How does anyone know just how well/badly Shearer will fare? We don't but the same applies to a lot of ex-players. If it does go badly it is realistic to think our tenure in the Premierhsip could be over for quite a while. Is it worth the risk over a more experienced candidate?

One thing is for certain, he must be a better bet than aLARDyce or McLOSER - because they have both failed miderably in their previous jobs. Allardyce kept Bolton performing consistently well for their size on a limited budget for several years. Are you really sure Shearer could do that. Your first point implies you don;t know. Therefore he's not a guaranteed better bet is he

Shearer would be a great boost for the club, town, fans and BRFC credibility. Agree. Would be good for the image/profile/reputation of the club

For all those that can see in to the future and predict that Shearer would be a disaster - can you let me know in advance just what he will do wrong? No but I couldn't tell you what Brian Kidd would do wrong till we tried him.

This is about getting the right man to get the best out of the players, leading by example and learning the job - exactly the reasons NOT to employ LARD or LOSER. Allardyce has got the best out of players at Bolton. It's not about learning the job at all. It's about ensuring we remain a competitive Premier League side.

One Love - BRFC

[tony gale's mic]

I couldnt agree more Gaz - How does anyone know just how well/badly Shearer will fare?

One thing is for certain, he must be a better bet than aLARDyce or McLOSER - because they have both failed miderably in their previous jobs.

Shearer would be a great boost for the club, town, fans and BRFC credibility.

For all those that can see in to the future and predict that Shearer would be a disaster - can you let me know in advance just what he will do wrong?

This is about getting the right man to get the best out of the players, leading by example and learning the job - exactly the reasons NOT to employ LARD or LOSER.

One Love - BRFC

Sorry but that's just absolute nonsense.

The man has no experience - managers get better after a bit of experience and considering he hasnt even coached let alone managed and he's been out of the day to day life of football for the last couple of years it's more likely than not that he won't be particularly good.

How many managers have gone straight into high pressure top level day to day club management after playing (without any coaching experience) and excelled? Dalglish is an exception but he'd been at Liverpool for years and appointing him was a continuation of the old regime.

Shearer would be a great boost - until he starts losing matches. And as regards our credibility - many educated football fans would laugh at us for appointing a man based on name and not managerial abilities.

Can you tell us just what Shearer will do right? If he was an average player for us would you still champion him? Because most of the great managers had very ordinary playing careers and there's certainly no link between a glittering playing career and a successful management career.

I really hope we don't appoint Sam or McLaren, lets just get this straight, I'm much more in favour of a man like ten Cate. But over Shearer I'd still rather have them. Sam did well at Bolton and wasn't a complete failure at Newcastle, and McLaren at least had some good cup runs with Boro and did well at United. Shearer has absolutely nothing and is more likely to be a failure than he is a success.

[bob fleming]

Hasta "Allardyce has got the best out of players at Bolton. It's not about learning the job at all. It's about ensuring we remain a competitive Premier League side."

In case you've forgotten Big "Reliable" Sam put in a good effort last season to get Newcastle relegated. There are a couple of good pieces on here from Newcastle fans stating how poor his reign was there.

[SuperStella]

Go on Parkesy!!

http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/display.var.2325471.0..php

[Hasta]

Hasta "Allardyce has got the best out of players at Bolton. It's not about learning the job at all. It's about ensuring we remain a competitive Premier League side."

In case you've forgotten Big "Reliable" Sam put in a good effort last season to get Newcastle relegated. There are a couple of good pieces on here from Newcastle fans stating how poor his reign was there.

I don't want him at all Bob. He's second only to McClaren on my no list. However the fact is he did a very good job at Bolton.

[Hasta]

My problem is there's no real candidate I definitely want. I can pick holes in all of them. However there are quite a few I think could work and would be happy with. Shearer, Ince, Ten Cate and Advocaat are in that bunch. I'm just trying to remove the Shearer hype and look at it logically.

[Roost]

Sorry but that's just absolute nonsense.

The man has no experience - managers get better after a bit of experience and considering he hasnt even coached let alone managed and he's been out of the day to day life of football for the last couple of years it's more likely than not that he won't be particularly good.

How many managers have gone straight into high pressure top level day to day club management after playing (without any coaching experience) and excelled? Dalglish is an exception but he'd been at Liverpool for years and appointing him was a continuation of the old regime.

Shearer would be a great boost - until he starts losing matches. And as regards our credibility - many educated football fans would laugh at us for appointing a man based on name and not managerial abilities.

Can you tell us just what Shearer will do right? If he was an average player for us would you still champion him? Because most of the great managers had very ordinary playing careers and there's certainly no link between a glittering playing career and a successful management career.

I really hope we don't appoint Sam or McLaren, lets just get this straight, I'm much more in favour of a man like ten Cate. But over Shearer I'd still rather have them. Sam did well at Bolton and wasn't a complete failure at Newcastle, and McLaren at least had some good cup runs with Boro and did well at United. Shearer has absolutely nothing and is more likely to be a failure than he is a success.

Nonsense? Why?

Who cares what 'educated' fotoball fans think? What a bizarre reason not to employ someone!

But Shearer wasnt an average player, he was brilliant, so your point is futile.

Sam wasnt a complete failure at Newcastle? Are you joking? he spent a fortune and then blamed a lack of promised funds for his demise - then took a £6,000,000 pay-off. So you would be happy having a manager who wasnt 'a complete failure' WOW!

As for McLaren - a few good cup runs? Well wowee, how exciting.

So you would rather employ an egocentric part failure or a manger with a charisma bypass over the risk of Shearer?

A good job you are not on the interview panel.

[philipl]

I wonder if anyone will ask Billic about Rovers when he does a news conference.

Just been checking back and Billic was double quick to publicly rule himself out when there was the Fulham vacancy- he hasn't said anything about the Rovers vacancy despite a lot of comment linking him to the job.

Rovers asking Shearer was a sensible move when Allardyce looked to be the only name linked.

Now (in alphabetical order) Advocaat, Laudrup and ten Cate all have their hats in the ring apparently, Shearer looks a pretty weak candidate.

[tony gale's mic]

Nonsense? Why?

Who cares what 'educated' fotoball fans think? What a bizarre reason not to employ someone!

But Shearer wasnt an average player, he was brilliant, so your point is futile.

Sam wasnt a complete failure at Newcastly? Are you joking? he spent a fortune and then blamed a lack of promised funds for his demise - then tokk a £6,000,000 pay-off. So you would be happy having a manager who wasnt 'a complete failure' WOW!

As for McLaren - a few good cup runs? Well wowee, how exciting.

So you would rather employ an egocentric part failure or a manger with a charisma bypass over the risk of Shearer?

A good job you are not on the interview panel.

You said it will improve the credibility of Blackburn, so clearly you care what others think. I was saying that many will laugh at the fact we'd appointed someone with no experience.

You seem to have missed my point entirely. The fact Shearer was a brilliant player has NO BEARING on his future abilities as a manager. Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger, Hiddink, Scolari, Lippi...you name most of the top managers in the world and they had average playing careers. Obviously theres some that were top players but there's equally many top players who made terrible managers. So the quality of his playing career shouldnt influence your decision at all. And let's face it, thats the only reason why you're backing him.

Why Shearer and not Newell for example? At least that guy has some managerial experience.

As I said I really don't want us to employ Sam or McLaren. But against Shearer - Sam did a very good job at a club not too dissimilar to ours, or are you forgetting that already? He got half a season at Newcastle - a club with many of its own problems, hardly a fair crack of the whip. McLaren too has achieved things in his career - I was even dead against him for the England jobs but he has done some things right and he's made mistakes which you'd hope he'd learn from if worst came to worst.

Shearer has absolutely none of these things. No reason except for him being a Rovers hero for 3 years in the mid 90s. But like I've demonstrated, that shouldnt be an issue.

Still, I'd much rather have ten Cate and if you'd rather have Shearer than him you really do need your head examined.

[tony gale's mic]

I wonder if anyone will ask Billic about Rovers when he does a news conference.

Just been checking back and Billic was double quick to publicly rule himself out when there was the Fulham vacancy- he hasn't said anything about the Rovers vacancy despite a lot of comment linking him to the job.

Rovers asking Shearer was a sensible move when Allardyce looked to be the only name linked.

Now (in alphabetical order) Advocaat, Laudrup and ten Cate all have their hats in the ring apparently, Shearer looks a pretty weak candidate.

Where was this reported?

[philipl]

Where was this reported?

Only Tribal but see the pinned links.

[Roost]

You said it will improve the credibility of Blackburn, so clearly you care what others think. I was saying that many will laugh at the fact we'd appointed someone with no experience.

You seem to have missed my point entirely. The fact Shearer was a brilliant player has NO BEARING on his future abilities as a manager. Mourinho, Ferguson, Wenger, Hiddink, Scolari, Lippi...you name most of the top managers in the world and they had average playing careers. Obviously theres some that were top players but there's equally many top players who made terrible managers. So the quality of his playing career shouldnt influence your decision at all. And let's face it, thats the only reason why you're backing him.

Why Shearer and not Newell for example? At least that guy has some managerial experience.

As I said I really don't want us to employ Sam or McLaren. But against Shearer - Sam did a very good job at a club not too dissimilar to ours, or are you forgetting that already? He got half a season at Newcastle - a club with many of its own problems, hardly a fair crack of the whip. McLaren too has achieved things in his career - I was even dead against him for the England jobs but he has done some things right and he's made mistakes which you'd hope he'd learn from if worst came to worst.

Shearer has absolutely none of these things. No reason except for him being a Rovers hero for 3 years in the mid 90s. But like I've demonstrated, that shouldnt be an issue.

Still, I'd much rather have ten Cate and if you'd rather have Shearer than him you really do need your head examined.

I have a golf match to play shortly, so I will keep this short.

Why not Newell indeed?

Allardyce did a good job at Bolton? Really? If you are measuring success by keeping a team in the premiership whilst playing dreadful football - then thats your view. As for Newcastle, just look at toontastic.net to see what they thought of him.

Ten cate could be a good choice, but its an equal risk to appointing Shearer,simply because nobody can tell how any manager can interface with the players until he starts work. Thats why so many managers jobs are short term.

[tony gale's mic]

I have a golf match to play shortly, so I will keep this short.

Why not Newell indeed?

Allardyce did a good job at Bolton? Really? If you are measuring success by keeping a team in the premiership whilst playing dreadful football - then thats your view. As for Newcastle, just look at toontastic.net to see what they thought of him.

Ten cate could be a good choice, but its an equal risk to appointing Shearer,simply because nobody can tell how any manager can interface with the players until he starts work. Thats why so many managers jobs are short term.

It's not an equal risk. ten Cate has managed and worked at some of the best clubs in the world, has a huge range of global contacts, has been successful most places he has worked so we have some kind of indicator about how good a manager he is. Shearer has none of these things.

It's hardly like we played champagne football under Hughes either. Like I said, I'd much rather not have Fat Sam, but in a straight fight between him and Shearer there'd be no contest. He didnt just keep Bolton in the league, he made them into a consistently top half side. Newcastle fans are among the most impatient going, half a season for a manager who had to deal with a whole new set up and a club of Newcastle's many problems was ludicrous, especially when they werent doing too badly in the table.

Anyway if ten Cate, Laudrup and Advocaat are indeed interested then thats excellent news.