[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[gumboots]

Maybe Hughes might come back for Rigters, along with the Axe and take them to City!!!!!

here's hoping. He can have Gallacher/Gallagher (can't remember which one is the current player and which one was the good player) as well while he's on with it.

[Presty On Tour]

who said Roberts is leaving? i thought him and Cruz were a great partnership for Rovers towards the back end of the season.

I think Roberts is an asset we can afford to sell for a sum of 3 million +. With Cruz, McCarthy and Derbyshire on the books, Jase is not in the same league imo. He has his strengths but the money could be used to fix some problems in other areas. He has been linked with a move away from the club on many occasions.

[joey_big_nose]

I think Roberts is an asset we can afford to sell for a sum of 3 million +. With Cruz, McCarthy and Derbyshire on the books, Jase is not in the same league imo. He has his strengths but the money could be used to fix some problems in other areas. He has been linked with a move away from the club on many occasions.

Im not sure anyone is going to pay 3m apart from a lunatic. He is old and although okay not brilliant. I can't see anyone paying more than 2m unless they are desperate.

[modes98]

So because he played there for us last year he is one, don't make me laugh!

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In his role as a defensive midfield player, in which he uses his ability to pass accurately and to effectively retain possession of the ball, Vogel can be counted on to add depth to either defence or attack.

He played very well in the games towards the end of the season, especially the Man Utd game, if only we hadn't brought Mokoena on we would have won that game!

i think Benayoun is exactly the player we need. Or we at least need to find another version of him.

Yossi is a class player and very under rated. I doubt he would come to us mind you.

[Lathund]

Not one of those players is a holding player, we have never replaced Savage. Nelsen and Samba need someone to sit in front of them, and form the defensive triangle that most teams base there teams around nowadays. All three of them like to get forward, its their instinct, we need someone who sits protects the centre backs, wins back possesion and gives it simple to help build attacks.

If Ince goes with his normal tactic, we will have a three man central midfield next year. For it to work we must have one player whos happy in that role, otherwise we will be sadly exposed at the back just like all off last year.

Savage is even less of a holding player than Vogel and Tugay. Savage is primarily a defensive midfielder, but is not the kind to sit back. He makes forward runs, and in defense he often quite far up the pitch trying to intercept/hurry passes etc. He's more of a Patrick Vieira than a Claude Makelele, if we were to make comparisons to French internationals. While Tugay and Vogel are more in the mould of... uh... Andra Pirlo (Italy is next to France, so close enough), i.e they sit back but for a different reason; they do it to always be open and to keep the ball rolling. Mokoena is the only typical holding midfielder, in the defensive-minded sense, we've had for a long time, but he's not good enough for it in a 4-man midfield.

A player with the defensive skills of Makelele and the passing of Tugay would be awesome though. Sadly there are very very few of those around.

[Presty On Tour]

A player with the defensive skills of Makelele and the passing of Tugay would be awesome though. Sadly there are very very few of those around.

And the few of those around cost the mega dollars!

[socngill]

He played very well in the games towards the end of the season, especially the Man Utd game, if only we hadn't brought Mokoena on we would have won that game!

And that's why buying another DM would still be a good thing even with Vogel being one. We can get rid of Mokoena! But I think we need to concentrate on a RB and ACM first. but if we have the funds for all three then we should go for it.

How much is this Italian chap supposed to cost? And is there any truth in it? Nicko...?

[gazsimm]

I think Roberts is an asset we can afford to sell for a sum of 3 million +. With Cruz, McCarthy and Derbyshire on the books, Jase is not in the same league imo. He has his strengths but the money could be used to fix some problems in other areas. He has been linked with a move away from the club on many occasions.

i disagree Roberts can hurt teams a lot, he might not be a natually goal scorer, but he causes a lot a problems for defenders and his work rate is a credit to him. He is not has talented has Cruz and McCarthy, but he is a very useful player to have.

I am hoping McCarthy can produce a lot more this season, because i thought last season he was not the same player as we saw the season before last for what ever reason that was and thats why Roberts eventually replaced him in the starting line up for Rovers

[Mr Creosote]

Absolutely.

I see that Andy Cole has opted to sign for a proper club having experienced Burnley.

[Rover95]

RUMOUR on Skysports

Adam W (Tottenham Hotspur fan) says...

Have just seen Bentley heading into WHL so fingers crossed thats going to happen. also rumoured that Spurs are chasing Gamst Pedersen still.

Posted 10:23 3rd July 2008

He must have superhero powers cos I saw him at the Trafford Centre this morning.

Anyone can write that stuff. What a load of old sh**

[modes98]

And that's why buying another DM would still be a good thing even with Vogel being one. We can get rid of Mokoena! But I think we need to concentrate on a RB and ACM first. but if we have the funds for all three then we should go for it.

The problem is finding one cheap enough but good enough. Then you have man management issues of keeping both happy.

For the short term our aim has to be a quality AM.

[Rover down South]

Im not sure anyone is going to pay 3m apart from a lunatic. He is old and although okay not brilliant. I can't see anyone paying more than 2m unless they are desperate.

Nicko mentioned earlier that Cardiff were interested, but his wages are too high. Had he not been involved during the tail end of last season he may of left this window & taken a pay cut to join a championship club, but now he will feel he can still (has he ever!) do a job for Rovers. Ince will hopefully inform any players surplus to his requirements & ship them out quick.

[den]

i disagree Roberts can hurt teams a lot, he might not be a natually goal scorer, but he causes a lot a problems for defenders and his work rate is a credit to him. He is not has talented has Cruz and McCarthy, but he is a very useful player to have.

What Roberts needs, is space in front of him. He'll get that at certain away grounds but doesn't get it at Ewood. He doesn't have the technique to break open solid defences anywhere.

[Majiball]

Tugay played there very rarely because he is awful at defensive midfield duties, however Vogel did well in that position - are you disputing that? Have I said that no, in a 442 he can play the defensive role, but Ince does not play this way, both his previous teams played 451. Everton are our blueprint.

In regards to his passing ability, yes. But that's about it. Vogel is not one to burst forward as an attacking midfielder type of player. I would probably put him in the category of playmaker... and playmakers are usually the more defensive minded of the two central midfielders, e.g. Xabi Alonso, Owen Hargreaves, Claude Makelele, etc... they orchestrate play from deep to midway.

Alonso replaced by mascherano a holding player, Owen Hargeaves is no playmaker, Makelele sits wins the ball and looks for the simpliest pass, its what made him great. I would see Vogel as more along the lines of Carrick, A holding player in a 451 role is to win the ball back and give it simple, Masch and Makelele are great examples of this, vogel would be better used in the central midfield role.

Vogel is a defensive midfielder and towards the back end of last season he looks like he is a very good one as well. Sparky would not of bought him if he was not a defensive midfielder, he was bought to fill in Savage's place in the teamAs I said he can play that role, but you all assume we will play as we did under hughes 442, Ince will play 451 most probaly with 442 againast lesser teams and when we are chasing the game. In a 451 one his passing ability would be best used in the central role not the holding or attacking roles. He's a balanced midfielder and displays both attacking and defensive attributes

Vogel is a holding midfield player!

Ive seen him play it for the swiss,betis and PSV!He rarely gets passed half way!

we need a player in the mould of Arteta,Deco,(Obviously not them 2 but you get my drift!

Someone who can unlock a defence with one ball, maybe Benayoun is worth a shout!

Bent wont sign.....he'd be quality for us, out of the limelight but spurs wouldnt sell him for anything

less than 12 million!

I don't disagree that we need a flair-based midfielder, I have not said it should be placed above a RB or attacking midfielder, merely that I believe its an area we can improve on, vogels passing range and vision with it would be better used further up the pitch, than sat behind 2 other central players in a three man midfield. Having lived in Eindhoven, and been priveliged enough to have access to a box week in week out, I'm more than confident on what I saw, it was Cocu he was 34 and did not have the legs anymore, to get up and down the pitch.

[socngill]

As I said he can play that role, but you all assume we will play as we did under hughes 442, Ince will play 451 most probaly with 442 againast lesser teams and when we are chasing the game. In a 451 one his passing ability would be best used in the central role not the holding or attacking roles. He's a balanced midfielder and displays both attacking and defensive attributes

I don't remember Hughes playing 4-4-2 all that often last season. He spent a fair few games playing with Cruz up top with either Benni or bentley playing behind him. Sometimes with Cruz up to alone and benni in midfield. Hughes was fairly defensive last season and played one up top for large parts.

Ince is supposed to prefer an attacking style - are you sure he played 4-5-1 and not a more attacking variation like 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1?

[Hi Mack]

I think we'll have a better idea of what Inces intentions are once he

confirms his targets, I dont want to get the debate going again but if tottenham

do offer us lennon an 8/9million+ cash!i'd snap their hand off! I dont know too much about MK dons

but apparently Ince liked to hit teams on the break using speedy wingers!

Think keeping Cruz should be the main focus!If both Bentley and Cruz go it could be too much

of a change around and we may struggle!

[modes98]

I think we'll have a better idea of what Inces intentions are once he

confirms his targets, I dont want to get the debate going again but if tottenham

do offer us lennon an 8/9million+ cash!i'd snap their hand off!

Only problem is would Lennon be anymore happy to play for us than Bentley? Villa have the pacey approach and it works well for them, but would we then need a pacey left winger as well? Then you ask the question of crossing ability, according to some Lennon has virtually non, which would be a massive problem for rocky.

I would guess the first you hear of Ince's targets will be when they are confirmed signings, we seem to be very good at avoiding the media.

[bennyboyt11]

at the moment it seems like its pure speculation as to what we need and what Ince is going to provide... who knows what Ince believes to be a problem area of our team that needs an immediate fix...

[robborover]

Only problem is would Lennon be anymore happy to play for us than Bentley? Villa have the pacey approach and it works well for them, but would we then need a pacey left winger as well? Then you ask the question of crossing ability, according to some Lennon has virtually non, which would be a massive problem for rocky.

I would guess the first you hear of Ince's targets will be when they are confirmed signings, we seem to be very good at avoiding the media.

Personally I think Lennon's pace would be a massive asset. It would put the fear of god into the other team and possibly give MGP more room on the other side when they worry about Lennon's pace.

I really believe that we would benefit from selling Bentley (if an offer happens) and getting a good RM with pace and use the change to find a quality attacking midfielder. In my opinion the team would be stronger overall.

Totally agree that we must wait for Rovers to announce something. I expect Ince to sit down with the team next week and for him to start making his plans from there. Plenty of time for transfers yet.

[bennyboyt11]

Personally I think Lennon's pace would be a massive asset. It would put the fear of god into the other team and possibly give MGP more room on the other side when they worry about Lennon's pace.

I really believe that we would benefit from selling Bentley (if an offer happens) and getting a good RM with pace and use the change to find a quality attacking midfielder. In my opinion the team would be stronger overall.

Totally agree that we must wait for Rovers to announce something. I expect Ince to sit down with the team next week and for him to start making his plans from there. Plenty of time for transfers yet.

I havent seen enough of Lennon to really know what im on about, but judging by what other people have said on here then it sounds like the boys ONLY asset is his pace, so maybe defenders will not be as worried about him knowing he cannot cross

but what do i know

[Hi Mack]

I havent seen enough of Lennon to really know what im on about, but judging by what other people have said on here then it sounds like the boys ONLY asset is his pace, so maybe defenders will not be as worried about him knowing he cannot cross

but what do i know

Ive seen Lennon a few times against us!and i were impressed always looked dangerous,and people are sayin he cant

cross, and if he hasnt improved by now he wont improve. Lets not forget hes only still only 21!

People are always improving! Lee Carsley was awful for us then looked a diffrent player for Everton!

[Kai]

For £2m, I'd keep Roberts. Can anyone name who we can get better than him in today's climate for £2m? In my opinion he's a useful player to have, easily the most powerful of our current strikers. Most importantly, he's seemingly the only one we have that stays up front! This is very important for us as we need to push teams back rather than inviting them to overwhelm us in midfield with no attacking options available to us further up the field.

[robborover]

I havent seen enough of Lennon to really know what im on about, but judging by what other people have said on here then it sounds like the boys ONLY asset is his pace, so maybe defenders will not be as worried about him knowing he cannot cross

but what do i know

Pace is his main asset. However, Rovers can't go out and buy the next Ronaldo. We need to find players who fit the jigsaw and at the moment we don't have anyone who can beat a player with speed. That's why I think getting a pacey RM and putting our money together on a better AM would benefit the team overall.

[bennyboyt11]

cheers lads, im trying to watch as many videos of him as i can find on youtube etc. as i would like to know what he has that would be of benefit to us (besides pace)

[AJW]

Apparently ince prefers to play with a 5 man midfield with 2 out & out wingers 1 holding & 2 central midfielders who like to join in attacks (mk dons fans have said this) i'll be perfectly honest i never saw mk dons play while ince was in charge but the styel sounds similar to that of chelsea when mourinho was in charge