[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[BRFCGrez]

'Both' not 'instead.'

Six balls in the air right now, four or five likely to land.

And about five or six goals tonight.

Happy days.

They won't sign five more, they can't afford it, not according to my mates. Isn't the Lafferty money going on the day to day running of the club?

I reckon it's Athletico for Bentley as well.

[bringdunnback]

I reckon its Sevilla who will be loaded with money from the sale of Alves.

[nicko]

They won't sign five more, they can't afford it, not according to my mates. Isn't the Lafferty money going on the day to day running of the club?

I reckon it's Athletico for Bentley as well.

Burnley can afford the five they will probably sign. Two of them could well turn out to be loans...

[doctorryan]

Heroic.

Though a big pile of sh*te all the same.

Pound sand Vance. I don't believe in getting into competitions with the intention of finishing middle of the pack. When someone's keeping score you try to win. I don't know yet where I think we'll finish this year (bottom half I fear), but regardless of where I THINK we'll end up, I'll be unhappy if it isn't in the top 4. That's the mindset you have to have EVERY SEASON.

[doctorryan]

I really struggle to see how someone can have such little insight. How the hell do our achievements in the 1920s have ANY bearing on our current state? I bet those Uruguayans will be pretty miffed not to have won the last World Cup.

Does the concept of money not mean anything to you?! I can't even believe I need to explain this to someone but here goes. The best teams have the best players. The best players require MONEY to buy them and to pay their wages. Similarly, the best managers will only really come if there's money available, both to them and in the way of transfers...unless we get lucky like we did with Hughes and catch them early in their career. There's four clubs currently occupying the top four places who have far more money than we could ever even dream of having. They have the resources to buy the best players in Europe. We don't, every so often we'll pull off a gem like RSC, Bentley or Samba but most of the time there'll be clubs offering better wages and more money.

It's not even those 4 clubs now. It's City, Everton, Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, Portsmouth and even Middlesbrough and Sunderland with much, much more money to spend than we can dream of right now.

Money is only 1 factor Tony. Somehow, after a terrible November & December, we were only 3 points out of the CL places in January following the win at the Reebok. What went wrong after that is for another discussion (lineups, January spending money, whatever...), but there we were in position to make a run AFTER 2 bad months. The top 4 can be taken down. NO ONE stays on top forever (the SPL is a bush league and does not count). It is the nature of sport, regardless of how much money anybody has.

[Baggio]

Nicko, is their any truth in us being interested in Turkish left midfielder Arda Turan?

Was told yesterday that Ince had been impressed by him during the Euro's and that he wanted to make him his primary signing this summer?

Newcastle offered £9 million for him before the Euro's but Galatasaray wanted £13 million, no idea what they're looking for him now after he had an impressive tournament, his agent did say he's likely to be off to Italy since then.

[Presty On Tour]

Newcastle offered £9 million for him before the Euro's but Galatasaray wanted £13 million, no idea what they're looking for him now after he had an impressive tournament, his agent did say he's likely to be off to Italy since then.

Well thats "ard" luck then.

[S15]

Pound sand Vance. I don't believe in getting into competitions with the intention of finishing middle of the pack. When someone's keeping score you try to win. I don't know yet where I think we'll finish this year (bottom half I fear), but regardless of where I THINK we'll end up, I'll be unhappy if it isn't in the top 4. That's the mindset you have to have EVERY SEASON.

I could quote my earlier post put as you seeming don't understand perspective or context I wont bother.

If we went into games with the mindset only fourth will do, then we would go into games with the same mentality clubs like United, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. This would result in us goin to places like Spurs, Everton, Villa and City and taking the game to them, expecting to win.

Like it or not, we are not good enough to do that, and we would wind up losing ALOT of games. We should approach every game, and every season with cautious optimism. We could do well, and top 8 would be a huge achievement. To aim any higher from the outset, for a club our size with a squad of our quality would be very naive, and very, very foolish.

[Exiledfan]

Burnley can afford the five they will probably sign. Two of them could well turn out to be loans...

Riordan and the dutchman in the bag?

[BRFCGrez]

Riordan and the dutchman in the bag?

Riordan is too expensive. My mates reckon the bid placed is for Driver.

The two loans from Man Utd??

[Dunnfc]

Would anyone like to see Steve Wigley come to our acadamy as a coach?

He has always brought through class young players and i hope he coculd do the same here.

[Mc Love]

What i dont get, is why people on here care who Burnley sign??

[Mozzer]

nicko are you able to say the right backs we are looking or you saving it for tomorrow??

[brian_gallagher85]

What i dont get, is why people on here care who Burnley sign??

so that they can laugh when these potential signings go the way of the Argie

[bob fleming]

What i dont get, is why people on here care who Burnley sign??

Because of their "dingle brother"? Because they're Alistair Campbell? Because they're "doing a bit" and we haven't yet?

Let's have a poll! My money's on the made up relative.

[tony gale's mic]

What i dont get, is why people on here care who Burnley sign??

Agreed.

I can understand why they'd be interested in who we sign - jealousy etc, but why should we care about them? We've got much bigger fish to fry...

[tony gale's mic]

Money is only 1 factor Tony. Somehow, after a terrible November & December, we were only 3 points out of the CL places in January following the win at the Reebok. What went wrong after that is for another discussion (lineups, January spending money, whatever...), but there we were in position to make a run AFTER 2 bad months. The top 4 can be taken down. NO ONE stays on top forever (the SPL is a bush league and does not count). It is the nature of sport, regardless of how much money anybody has.

Football, especially in this country, has changed in the last ten years. The top 4 can maybe be taken down long term, or at least one or two of them, but only by other teams with money. Even in the last 3 or 4 years, it's gone from just the top 4 having money, to the majority of the league having tens of millions to spend every season. We are not one of them. Money is one factor, one absolutely massive factor and arguably the biggest factor.

What you said may be the nature of sport, but I don't think you realise just how much things have been mutated by the influx of money and the unequal distribution of this money within our game in the last ten years. Even if they don't stay on top forever, unless we get new investment and much more money to buy players then we have absolutely no chance and it's absolutely unrealistic to use 4th place as a benchmark.

You say "In January, we were in a position to make a run" - that's extremely tenuous. You can do well until January with a small squad which remains relatively injury free, but after January it gets a lot harder, players get tired, lose form, it's not like we were even in the Champions League places. It's going to get even harder for us season on season with all the teams around us being able to buy better players. And better players generally (with the right management) make better teams. A centre-midfield pairing of Reid and Dunn is light years away from being CL-worthy.

[hawkiiz]

thats why we need to spend money on the medical part of Blackburn Rovers. make sure we get as few injuries as possible (yes i know its a lot of luck etc.).

ok we can not challenge for the title any time soon, but CL? maybe. with luck and great management? yes maybe. stanger things have happened. for example when Arsene Wenger and Sir Alex steps down, who knows what will happen with those clubs? they do have money and a great rep, but thats no guarantee for them being successfull with new management. with luck we can grab a place then?

i agree money is a huuuuge factor, but we can be lucky. of course that same factor of "luck" can bring us down to the relegation zone, but thats what we got at the moment.

the norwegian league can not be compared to the EPL, but money is money, and it was no guarantee here. Rosenborg won the league 13 or 14 times in a row (!) then slipped and have been struggling since, and they are by faaar the most wealthy club in the country, and possibly in scandinavia. IK Start challenged for the title a few years back. they lost by goal difference i think. then, two years later they got relegated.

football is a lot about luck and being mentally strong. money is NOT everything.

[hawkiiz]

a taste of the mornings news i guess

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/articl...to=newsnow&

if this is what we should believe, then spurs is in pole position for bents, with aston villa being an outsider.

a bit freaky journalism since it says Sparky will NOT move for Bentley because he knows DB want to go back to London. If thats the case, wby would villa stand a chance?

Nincompoop!!!

[roverfanuk]

a taste of the mornings news i guess

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/articl...to=newsnow&

if this is what we should believe, then spurs is in pole position for bents, with aston villa being an outsider.

a bit freaky journalism since it says Sparky will NOT move for Bentley because he knows DB want to go back to London. If thats the case, wby would villa stand a chance?

Nincompoop!!!

3 questions i would ask of that article...

1- Surely its up to the gaffer who Bentley goes to if we do sell...? Spurs would be disappointing, but they do have that European footie...

2- Why should we be looking for any less then Barry is going for... Ie, £18 million?

3- Does Bentley have a sell on fee from Arsenal?

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4- How much is SWP being valued at, at the moment? If Bentley were to leave, i think we should take a look at him...

Edit: Oh and if you want a slightly more positive spin on the news front. Take a look at the gossip page on The News of the World site...

[doctorryan]

Football, especially in this country, has changed in the last ten years. The top 4 can maybe be taken down long term, or at least one or two of them, but only by other teams with money. Even in the last 3 or 4 years, it's gone from just the top 4 having money, to the majority of the league having tens of millions to spend every season. We are not one of them. Money is one factor, one absolutely massive factor and arguably the biggest factor.

What you said may be the nature of sport, but I don't think you realise just how much things have been mutated by the influx of money and the unequal distribution of this money within our game in the last ten years. Even if they don't stay on top forever, unless we get new investment and much more money to buy players then we have absolutely no chance and it's absolutely unrealistic to use 4th place as a benchmark.

You say "In January, we were in a position to make a run" - that's extremely tenuous. You can do well until January with a small squad which remains relatively injury free, but after January it gets a lot harder, players get tired, lose form, it's not like we were even in the Champions League places. It's going to get even harder for us season on season with all the teams around us being able to buy better players. And better players generally (with the right management) make better teams. A centre-midfield pairing of Reid and Dunn is light years away from being CL-worthy.

Tony, I've worked in the sport biz, I know exactly what money has done to it. I agree we DESPERATELY need new investment and with each season it gets harder because more clubs are spending with the idea that they can make it there (top 4) themselves. Certainly our margin for error is much smaller because of squad size limitations and the injury concerns such a situation creates, but if Tugay's healthy in April 2006 we finish top 4 that season WITH NO MONEY. And one wonders what happens last season if Savage doesn't go down or if the damn Trust gets its thumb out in January (when we were still close) to give Hughes the money he needed for a serious replacement. Perhaps it would've helped had Mr. Hughes started Benni down the stretch, but that's history now. My point is it's not an impossibility. You spend the first half of the season staying out of relegation trouble and hopefully getting yourself in position for a run in the second and then you go for it. You bring up the "after January it gets a lot harder" argument when you know damn well we've been a second-half team in many recent seasons. Were we lazy in the first half those years or was everybody just injured? No early season chemistry? Your guess? My fear is that we'll finish bottom half this year, but if Ince can somehow find a few midfielders and not lose Rocky (if Bentley goes for £16-18m+ that will be fine) then there's every chance we can make a run this season.

[doctorryan]

I could quote my earlier post put as you seeming don't understand perspective or context I wont bother.

It's "but as you seemingly" you dope. I understand how to use the language but don't get perspective or context? Right Lieutenant.

If we went into games with the mindset only fourth will do, then we would go into games with the same mentality clubs like United, Arsenal, Chelsea etc.

Yeah, who would want to do that?!?

This would result in us goin to places like Spurs, Everton, Villa and City and taking the game to them, expecting to win.

Trying to win, not expecting to. Sometimes you take it to a team on the road, sometimes you play cat and mouse, but you always try to win. Draws are 2 points lost.

Like it or not, we are not good enough to do that, and we would wind up losing ALOT of games. We should approach every game, and every season with cautious optimism. We could do well, and top 8 would be a huge achievement. To aim any higher from the outset, for a club our size with a squad of our quality would be very naive, and very, very foolish.

You (and a few others here - from now on I'll refer to you all as the "we can't" brigade) and I have a philosophical difference about this. To me there's not much difference between 17th and 5th other than placement money. I despise UEFA Cup when it doesn't involve a Celtic, a Feyenoord, a Leverkusen, etc..... We don't get any money and all it does is tire us out. Top 8 IS NOT a huge achievement. Those who think it is are very, very foolish. There are the champions, 2nd & 3rd (automatic group), 4th, the clubs that get relegated, and everybody else.

[Mr Creosote]

Because of their "dingle brother"? Because they're Alistair Campbell? Because they're "doing a bit" and we haven't yet?

Let's have a poll! My money's on the made up relative.

I had my suspicions regarding this particular poster. Nobody I know has a close relative who is a Burnley fan and I'm from Accy.

In fact nobody from Burnley has a close relative outside the same house.

[S15]

It's "but as you seemingly" you dope. I understand how to use the language but don't get perspective or context? Right Lieutenant.

Yeah, who would want to do that?!?

Trying to win, not expecting to. Sometimes you take it to a team on the road, sometimes you play cat and mouse, but you always try to win. Draws are 2 points lost.

You (and a few others here - from now on I'll refer to you all as the "we can't" brigade) and I have a philosophical difference about this. To me there's not much difference between 17th and 5th other than placement money. I despise UEFA Cup when it doesn't involve a Celtic, a Feyenoord, a Leverkusen, etc..... We don't get any money and all it does is tire us out. Top 8 IS NOT a huge achievement. Those who think it is are very, very foolish. There are the champions, 2nd & 3rd (automatic group), 4th, the clubs that get relegated, and everybody else.

Apart from capitalising on a small typo, you've once again managed to post a complete load of tripe.

I'm not going to carry on fighting my point, as you live many thousands of miles away and clearly just ''don't get it.'' This isn't American sport. This is in no way a level playing field. No matter how strong your mentality is, the guys with the best players (coincidently those with the most money) will eventually come out on top.

Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs, Aston Villa, Man City, Everton, Sunderland, West Ham, Newcastle, and to be totally honest Middlesbrough are all bigger clubs than us, and all of those will spend from twice as much to ten times as much as us this summer. Portsmouth are similar in size but have much more money and will strengthen a similar ability squad more so than ourselves.

Taking your unrealistic and relegated manager ''we wanna win, we're in it to win it etc etc'' attitude away for a moment, ''Top 8 isn't a big achievement?'' Absolute garbage.

[Guest Kamy100]

This morning's Sunday Mirror reports that Sparky is after Brad Friedel and will be making a bid this week.