[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[allrovertheworld]

I can not see Brad leaving Rovers, yes Mark Hughes might be interested in signing him but who wouldn't. Why would the club let him go? As for Ince not getting on with him there is no evidence to suggest this. Why would Ince want to get rid of one of the greatest prem goal keepers there has ever been. Brad is Rovers.

Mcfadden interests me, always rated him he's got a real football brain but not sure where he would fit in as our forward options are very good at the moment.

[Ghostwriter]

Your signature (dens quote) says it all.

[neophox]

I can see us supporters buying the club instead and install a director who runs it for the clubs sake and not only for profit....if we are 20000 rovers supporters who invest 2000 pounds each = 40million! and get a share in the club we can do voting on signings etc....hehe

[roverfanuk]

Nicko, wouldnt it be unlikely that Friedel would leave, bearing in mind his affinity with Chowdery?

If Chowdery does takeover, how much of a transfer budget would we expect to get during the transfer windows considering his financial restraints?

[Martin]

Ince can bring in a 4th tier backroom team, he can bring in Keith Andrews, BUT he CANNOT sell Brad.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I honestly cannot see Brad going, he is loyal to the club and wants to finish his career here.

Ricardo Osorio sounds an interesting prospect and if the article is right that we can get him for around £1.2 million i think it could be worth looking at.

Keith Andrews, i can't believe we are looking at signing him . Checked out the MK Dons section on 606 and they think he isn't anywhere near up to prem standard, championship standard at best.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I can see us supporters buying the club instead and install a director who runs it for the clubs sake and not only for profit....if we are 20000 rovers supporters who invest 2000 pounds each = 40million! and get a share in the club we can do voting on signings etc....hehe

At this rate pal its looking our best option...laugh I will not!

Why the hell would the club sell Brad, it really would be a universally unpopular decision on the Ewood park Richter scale.

[thenodrog]

Your signature (dens quote) says it all.

No it doesn't ghostwriter..... some might say it's 2 divisions lower now.

[DavidMailsTightPerm]

Ince can bring in a 4th tier backroom team, he can bring in Keith Andrews, BUT he CANNOT sell Brad.

I agree totally about Andrews - but Brad - well that may come down to finances. IF we can sell him for a fee that is enough to bring in a decent younger keeper - considering his age and our finances - it may be a gamble that Rovers would be willing to take. IMO Brad is still one of the top keeprs in the EPL - but he is getting older, and will need to be replaced at some point. However, for me, Brads loyality to the club should be rewarded by making him the keepers coach - and tell Sparky he can't have Brad, but we may be willing to sell the Axe for a decent fee

[nicko]

Just been tipped off about this...interesting and backs up what has been written elsewhere.

http://www.messengernewspapers.co.uk/searc...er_League_club/

[thenodrog]

Ronnie felt there was someone at the club blocking him. This theory was supported by the lack of information coming back.

He was also very upset about Sparky going. He wanted him kept at all costs and wanted him to be a director.

He was then unhappy with the choice of Paul Ince.

I think he could have tried harder and made a more sustained effort, but that's just me.

I would have to say he has bought more multi-million companies than I have...

Indeed. We might not understand his valuation nor agree with it but the man is obviously no fool.

[nicko]

''Jjb supremo Ronnie told middlemen Rothschild he was pulling out because he thinks the club is worth only £25m.''

I'm quite frankly disgusted at that,surely that's an out and out p1ss take.Just what the hell is going on here,there are other Premiership clubs who will be spending around that on one player this summer.We are trying to be bought on the cheap by utter chancers who will no doubt be looking to sell for a profit in the not too distant future......a complete lack of respect being shown here.

The point is - if you have money to spend on Rovers WHY give more than you want to to the Trustees?

Would you rather have a millionaire buyer spend his money on the club or hand it to the Trustees?

Who gains from that? Your team in the future or your current/past owners?

[thenodrog]

I really struggle to see how someone can have such little insight. How the hell do our achievements in the 1920s have ANY bearing on our current state? I bet those Uruguayans will be pretty miffed not to have won the last World Cup.

Does the concept of money not mean anything to you?! I can't even believe I need to explain this to someone but here goes. The best teams have the best players. The best players require MONEY to buy them and to pay their wages. Similarly, the best managers will only really come if there's money available, both to them and in the way of transfers...unless we get lucky like we did with Hughes and catch them early in their career. There's four clubs currently occupying the top four places who have far more money than we could ever even dream of having. They have the resources to buy the best players in Europe. We don't, every so often we'll pull off a gem like RSC, Bentley or Samba but most of the time there'll be clubs offering better wages and more money.

It's not even those 4 clubs now. It's City, Everton, Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, Portsmouth and even Middlesbrough and Sunderland with much, much more money to spend than we can dream of right now.

Sorry tgm you are wasting your time. Logic and common sense do not apply often on here.... rem it is a football message board.

[doctorryan]

Sorry tgm you are wasting your time. Logic and common sense do not apply often on here.... rem it is a football message board.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

The point is - if you have money to spend on Rovers WHY give more than you want to to the Trustees?

Would you rather have a millionaire buyer spend his money on the club or hand it to the Trustees?

Who gains from that? Your team in the future or your current/past owners?

Theres no guarantee it would be that way nicko.Huge difference in valuations here again

[RevidgeBlue]

Just been tipped off about this...interesting and backs up what has been written elsewhere.

http://www.messengernewspapers.co.uk/searc...er_League_club/

From that article:

"I will not be running the Club on a day to day basis. I will be bringing in professional management to run it"

Wouldn't be altogether surprising if this particular bid received a less than enthusiastic response in certain quarters then.

[Majiball]

Also in the people

Bentley to Everton

Friedel to City

Riccardo Osorio and Keith Andrews to Rovers

Here's an Osorio link for all that are interested, includes several vid's

http://www.ricardoosorio.azplayers.com/

Article and video

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11676_3709839,00.html

I honestly cannot see Brad going, he is loyal to the club and wants to finish his career here.

Ricardo Osorio sounds an interesting prospect and if the article is right that we can get him for around £1.2 million i think it could be worth looking at.

Keith Andrews, i can't believe we are looking at signing him . Checked out the MK Dons section on 606 and they think he isn't anywhere near up to prem standard, championship standard at best.

Refuse, to Believe that our greatest stalward, would say one thing in public and then look to move surely he would just have said nothing.

I struggle to believe the 1.2 stuttgart paid 4M for him, surely they would want at least that back?

Ince will not waste 2M on andrews, he should take that cash and invest it in the youth rather than spunking it on him, more unfounded rubbish me thinks!

[nicko]

Theres no guarantee it would be that way nicko.Huge difference in valuations here again

Ok, if I had £100 million spare right now and wanted to buy Rovers...would I want to give half of that to the Trustees and see a further chunk eaten up by debt?

No, I would want to give them as little as possible, spend money on the team, the academy and other areas to make sure that they became more profitable - by winning games with better players and by producing talent that will have a value.

I'm not saying Ronnie would be ideal - there were as many questions as answers there - but I can see why he doesn't want to pay that much for the right to inherit someone else's debt.

The value of players like Bentley and Roque are irrelevant. They would have to be replaced - possibly even at more cost.

The figures that matter are what the Trustees want and what debt there is.

It's not an insult to say a low bid under-values your club...it's a harsh business reality.

[Majiball]

From that article:

"I will not be running the Club on a day to day basis. I will be bringing in professional management to run it"

Wouldn't be altogether surprising if this particular bid received a less than enthusiastic response in certain quarters then.

Why would he want rid of JW, there is not a better chairman in football!

[nicko]

Refuse, to Believe that our greatest stalward, would say one thing in public and then look to move surely he would just have said nothing.

I'm not saying Brad wants to leave - exactly the opposite. But it is possible that Ince doesn't fancy him or doesn't rate him.

The Man City stuff is a bit too persistent and makes me think there may be an element of truth in the story.

[Billy Castell]

The best new owner would be someone with loads and loads of £, and lets Williams and co. manage it with the knowledge that we now have more than 50p to spend. What may be bad is someone who goes all out and sacks every board member, gets involved in every detail and is impatient (e.g. Vladimir Romanov).

So how much is Mr Chowdrey worth, and could falling house prices be awkward for him?

[thenodrog]

The point is - if you have money to spend on Rovers WHY give more than you want to to the Trustees?

Would you rather have a millionaire buyer spend his money on the club or hand it to the Trustees?

Who gains from that? Your team in the future or your current/past owners?

Tell you what alan. I've never seen your house but I've taken some advice off a bloke who goes in your local who reckons to know a bit about property and has given me his estimation of the value of your house. He says you are a bit borrasic at the moment but that houses close by are fetching half a million. And so on his advice I'm prepared to offer 275 grand for your house.... may not seem much but it'll leave me enough to stick a nice conservatory on one end and change the kitchen. Is it a deal or do you want me to tell this bloke to keep his nose out of your goddam business?

BRFC would be a completely different animal today if it were not for the Walker years. We'd be playing in front of 4 figure crowds and Ewood would probably only be open on two sides and a team of 3rd rate journeymen would be training an Plessy fields. We'd be 2 major trophies down as well and the nearest we'd have been to playing in Europe would be the Manx trophy, so who can begrudge them wanting some sort of a return on that investment?

It does seem to me that you really are consistently keen on undervaluing BRFC and whipping up the locals into conflict with the trust. I am beginning to wonder again whether or not you have a hidden agenda.

[tony gale's mic]

If Ince sells Friedel then I'll immediately lose all confidence in him as a manager.

[The Gull]

The fact that Chowdery is talking about this is surely a good sign as he wants it known what is happening. If he was to be hiding away then it looks a little worse, and maybe not as serious.

On the Brad story, I have mixed feelings about the possibility of him leaving.

Brad has served us well for many years and has been probably the most consistent performer in our team since his arrival, and also probably the most consistent keeper in the premiership since our return.

However, this will not last forever and he will surely start to perform at a lower level shortly due to his age.

I personally think he has another year to two years max at anywhere near the levels he is performing at and would rather he stayed and groomed his replacement long term than leave this summer, but I also don't want him to start making mistakes and the Rovers fickle fans start getting on his back and forgetting the amazing job he has done at Ewood since 2000.

In my mind he has a job for life at Rovers, but if he wants to leave, not saying he does, then he should be allowed to due to the great service he has given the club.

What I have said may lead to me getting some stick, but remember it is all assuming a story is true that has been written by some hack and hasn't been backed up as yet.

[tony gale's mic]

BRFC would be a completely different animal today if it were not for the Walker years. We'd be playing in front of 4 figure crowds and Ewood would probably only be open on two sides and a team of 3rd rate journeymen would be training an Plessy fields. We'd be 2 major trophies down as well and the nearest we'd have been to playing in Europe would be the Manx trophy, so who can begrudge them wanting some sort of a return on that investment?

Because it was Jack's money not theirs, and it wasn't meant to be as an investment. He wasn't a Glazer, or a Hicks style owner, he was never looking for returns on his money. His returns was seeing the club he loved do well, and the only reason why the Trustees have any of this money is down to Jack's will and Jack's wishes. I find it hard to believe that Jack would ever support what the Trustees are doing now, holding back the future of the club for their own personal financial gain.

If it was Jack himself doing this, none of us could argue. But it isn't.