[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[EwoodGlory]

It's never worked that way. Any player involved in an exchange, must have a value. If Spurs offered Aaron Lennon in PX, then Lennon has to have a value declared. Aresnal would get a %age of the total value of the deal.

Yes but it could be £17m cash, or worth £12m as a swap deal. Spurs wouldn't want Arsenal to get too much cash would they

[nicko]

I understand that the Lennon swap was turned down by the manager, presumably because he does not fancy him.

There is no point in taking a player in exchange - it's far better to get the cash.

So now they all know the price and we can get down to business.

I think £17 million is way too high for his ability, but I fully understand why Rovers want that figure because of what they have to divide with Arsenal.

If Spurs can sell Bent - which they are trying to do - and find a buyer for Lennon they can come back in with the dough. Malbranque and Chimbonda should leave too, so they might have a few quid. Some of their top people want Bentley badly and that is why there has been so much leaking.

In the meantime Everton wait for Arteta offers before they spend that money.

Villa may well come in if Barry goes to Liverpool - and that is still an if - although this would explain why THEY want so much for Barry. They don't want to lose their skipper and spend MORE on a replacement.

Liverpool would appeat to be out of the running as their swap offers have also been rejected. Pennant is not that great, Finnan is too old and has big wages.

[Eddie]

nevermind

[neophox]

IF Bentley wants to leave then theres no way we should keep him at our club. How many of our so called big name sells had a succesful career after rovers? NO ONE! Bentley may be a new Duff. I think we should sell and anything over 17 million is great even if Arsenal will get around 7m.

[philipl]

Yes but it could be £17m cash, or worth £12m as a swap deal. Spurs wouldn't want Arsenal to get too much cash would they

dream on.....

The risk would be the reverse- Arse could try to insist that a player like Bent recently changed hands for £14-16m so a valuation of £5m between Spuds and Rovers should be revised upwards.

There will be no swap deal as I keep trying to explain. The Arsenal complication just makes a player exchange even more difficult and complicated to achieve.

IF Spurs bid £17m cash (and I still doubt it), then there is nothing to stop Rovers spending some of the £10m back at WHL but why anybody would want one of their rejects given a free choice is beyond me.

Looks like Bentley's dream for CL football is over for 08/9 anyway.

Nicko's post above is a good pointer as to the reasons why Bentley MIGHT still be at Rovers on 1 September.

[den]

If these stories are true, it just confirms my belief that I wouldn't sell him to ANY of our rivals. Even more so, now the cash going to Rovers appears to be minimal.

I also reckon this would be a poor tactic by rovers, - "we'll sell him for £17m". This could drag on all summer, culminating in a cut price deal just before the window closes, too late for rovers to get a replacement in. We've seen that before, haven't we? They should simply have said they wont sell him this summer.

[neophox]

Thanks Nicko for the info! I hope you're else realize that its really good to get £17m for Bentley who isn't a England regular and with the sell on clause.

[nicko]

Forgot to say...

I understand Emerton would be put back on the right wing, explaining why they are trying so hard for a new and top right back.

The big money will be spent on an attacking midfielder.

And the belief is that by selling Bentley it will take all pressure off selling Roque.

We shall see.

[EwoodGlory]

Maybe we could fool Arsenal into thinking the deal hasn't hapened?

Bentley to Spurs, Bent and Lee to Rovers

[Eddie]

OK, so we're in a bit of a tight spot as a result of the 50% thing, but, if we use a bit of imagination there is a way out of it and it does involve a sort of swap.

Let's say we do like a Bent + Lennon + Cash idea (which I'm not saying we do, just using it as an example). Sell Bentley to Spurs for x million, but agree deals for Bent and Lennon as well, not as a direct swap. Then sell Bentley to Spurs for let's say 6 million, meaning Arsenal take 1.5 and then "buy" Lennon and Bent for nominal fees.

Never would happen, but it's the only way I can see us selling Bentley and actually coming away with market value for him.

[philipl]

OK, so we're in a bit of a tight spot as a result of the 50% thing, but, if we use a bit of imagination there is a way out of it and it does involve a sort of swap.

Let's say we do like a Bent + Lennon + Cash idea (which I'm not saying we do, just using it as an example). Sell Bentley to Spurs for x million, but agree deals for Bent and Lennon as well, not as a direct swap. Then sell Bentley to Spurs for let's say 6 million, meaning Arsenal take 1.5 and then "buy" Lennon and Bent for nominal fees.

Never would happen, but it's the only way I can see us selling Bentley and actually coming away with market value for him.

See my posts above eddie.

[nicko]

The percentage thing was in the deal when Bentley was signed. It's not a problem, it's a reality.

I would be delighted to have had him for three seasons, got the use of him, sold him on and made a tidy profit. He has been a FREE player because you won't have paid him that in wages.

No point sulking about sell-ons, it's the way it is.

It's how you spend what you make that matters...

[Exiled_Rover]

Forgot to say...

I understand Emerton would be put back on the right wing, explaining why they are trying so hard for a new and top right back.

The big money will be spent on an attacking midfielder.

And the belief is that by selling Bentley it will take all pressure off selling Roque.

We shall see.

Good god.

[b12_simon]

No point sulking about sell-ons, it's the way it is.

You are the same Nicko who's been around here for a while, right? Don't sulk about it? On this board?

[roverfanuk]

Forgot to say...

I understand Emerton would be put back on the right wing, explaining why they are trying so hard for a new and top right back.

The big money will be spent on an attacking midfielder.

And the belief is that by selling Bentley it will take all pressure off selling Roque.

We shall see.

So we wont be buying a replacement Right Midfielder...? That i find very worrying!

Emerton just didnt work on Right Midfield before...

[RibbleValleyRover]

Does anyone feel we are seriously going to lose out on this deal if it happens?

We only get £10 million, which the management want to use for an attacking midfielder. We then have to use Emerton on the right wing, a position he has played before and has hardly shined. Either that of find an incredibly cheap right winger, an unknown foreign gem. (Not Easy)

I fully understand the use of sell on clauses, but £7 million?!?!

I see it as a no win situation, we lose a top quality right winger, our main creative force and supply to Roque and don't have the funds to replace him.

[T4E]

I understand Emerton would be put back on the right wing

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously. Please God no.

[DanLad]

Emerton was not, and still is not, a right hand sided midfielder.

This is a very poor move...

[roverfanuk]

Two words as to who we should bring in for Right Midfield.

Sebastian Larsson

[Antgrad]

With that sell-on % it almost makes sense to keep him until his contract expires. We get three seasons of him having to play well to stay in England contention, Arsenal get nothing when he walks at the end of it and we don't have to pay him any more money with an improved contract because we know he's not staying.

[rovers_rob]

Forgot to say...

I understand Emerton would be put back on the right wing, explaining why they are trying so hard for a new and top right back.

The big money will be spent on an attacking midfielder.

And the belief is that by selling Bentley it will take all pressure off selling Roque.

We shall see.

Have you heard any names mentioned for the attacking midfield position ?

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Am I missing something here...

We allegedly had a kitty of circa £10million for this summer......we get £5million for Hughes et al........a possible £10 million for the sale of bentley, the trust have announced a further £3million. Even taking into account the new management structure, surely that would provide at least £20million for a transfer kitty.

We are unlikely to spend more than £2-3 million on a right back and the likes of Aimar (or a quality midfielder) are available for £7-8million.....so

A) How the hell does that take the pressure off selling Roque?

Why can't we afford a decent replacement for Bentley

Things just don't add up

[nicko]

Have you heard any names mentioned for the attacking midfield position ?

There are several under consideration. The 'trialist' name I heard is a very compliacated one - I thought this player was a free agent but it turns out he might not be...so we will have to find out more on that one.

I think the next few weeks are going to be pretty interesting.

[hawkiiz]

With that sell-on % it almost makes sense to keep him until his contract expires. We get three seasons of him having to play well to stay in England contention, Arsenal get nothing when he walks at the end of it and we don't have to pay him any more money with an improved contract because we know he's not staying.

actually not a totally bad idea, but i doubt he will shine for rovers this season anyway. he will feel it is a waste or time and lose focus.

[nicko]

Am I missing something here...

We allegedly had a kitty of circa £10million for this summer......we get £5million for Hughes et al........a possible £10 million for the sale of bentley, the trust have announced a further £3million. Even taking into account the new management structure, surely that would provide at least £20million for a transfer kitty.

We are unlikely to spend more than £2-3 million on a right back and the likes of Aimar (or a quality midfielder) are available for £7-8million.....so

A) How the hell does that take the pressure off selling Roque?

Why can't we afford a decent replacement for Bentley

Things just don't add up

It's always better to have money available to spend...and then spend it when you have to.

A new manager may see the obvious problems that need fixing, but he also needs a fund for running repairs.

I would be pretty content if you got a specialist right back and a goalscoring midfielder to start with.

AND have money in the bank.