[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[nicko]

will anybody really pay 17million for bentley tho??

surely if we get say 7million profit from the sale, then we should be looking at a right winger..

nicko, any news on training yesterday-i know its only early to say, but any players stand out, any players not stand out etc??

It's £17 million or no sale.

No news on training yet, a bit shocked they are playing Macclesfield so quickly, that seems early but I suppose it will be a good blow-out.

[rebelmswar]

I see the Dingles flew off to America today.

That should please a few posters on here, as there will be no dingle related transfer activity for Nicko to comment on for over a week.

Are they going to see their relatives in West Virginia?

[rebelmswar]

so back to the same kind of confusing formation as we saw away at Sunderland where nobody had a clue what they were doing and the entire team looked like strangers

If the team gets coached on it all pre season I think they should be comfortable by the first day of the season.

Fingers crossed.

Go Bert Mrk III.

[Lathund]

Bert Mk. III is the central midfield Bert.

Will he now be just Bert again? Or Bert Mk. I v2? Mk. IV?

[Scotty]

Possible first team:

Friedel

New Player - Samba - Nelsen - Warnock

Emerton - Vogel

New Player/Bentley - Dunn - MGP

Santa Cruz

Or

Friedel

New Player - Samba - Nelsen - Warnock

Dunn - Vogel

Emerton - New Player/Bentley - MGP

Santa Cruz

[Mc Love]

Hmmmmmmmmm. Still not happy about him going to our direct rivals but I suppose if it has to be any Spurs has to be the best as long as we don't get any of their rejects.

Good on Rovers for sticking to a price though.

Mum, at least they are sticking to a price on something

As for the trust giving us 3 million.... Fair enough as nicko said, we should be pleased that are investing some money, but it seems they think its so much money, sure is to most of us fans but 3 million is nothing in football

[gumboots]

If the team gets coached on it all pre season I think they should be comfortable by the first day of the season.

Fingers crossed.

Go Bert Mrk III.

I very much doubt it. Takes a lot longer to embed new formations in players' minds. And we don't yet have the guys it depends on - this new CM and RB who are going to be so good that our forwards can run about all over the place and not worry about doing any defending. Sorry. It works when you have the players Mna Utd have but not with ours, unless these new guys are very good and here soon.

[Dave S]

dream on.....

The risk would be the reverse- Arse could try to insist that a player like Bent recently changed hands for £14-16m so a valuation of £5m between Spuds and Rovers should be revised upwards.

There will be no swap deal as I keep trying to explain. The Arsenal complication just makes a player exchange even more difficult and complicated to achieve.

You are spot on there Philip.

£10m + Lennon could mean that Rovers actually end up with Very Little Cash.

Spurs have regularly valued Lennon at £10M.

So if the news is correct we would have to give 50% of £17M to Arsenal. Leaving us with £1.5m.

Arsenal then Could ask for us to sell Santa Cruz at our valuation minus £8.5million.

Doesn't bear thinking about.

[Ricky]

You are competing with Spurs for a top-six slot.

You don't take players who are not good enough for their team.

Disagree to a certain extent Nicko, we took Friedel who wasn't good enough for Liverpool, Warnock who couldn't get a game.

we also took Samba who wasn't deemed good enough to get into Hamburgs first team.

It's all about the right player at the right club. Darren Bent HAS scored goals wherever he's been. He's not been given a run of games at Spurs but has still chipped in with a few goals.

As for Robinson, surely that's a similar case to Friedel. Friedel was low on confidence when he came in, he'd been dropped by his club which had had an edverse effect on his national position. I see Robinson as a similar situation. He is a good keeper but is completely out of sorts at the moment. He'll be a decent buy for someone. He's the right age for a keeper and would be a good succesor to Brad. I'd be very happy for those two players ot come in.

[nicko]

Disagree to a certain extent Nicko, we took Friedel who wasn't good enough for Liverpool, Warnock who couldn't get a game.

we also took Samba who wasn't deemed good enough to get into Hamburgs first team.

It's all about the right player at the right club. Darren Bent HAS scored goals wherever he's been. He's not been given a run of games at Spurs but has still chipped in with a few goals.

As for Robinson, surely that's a similar case to Friedel. Friedel was low on confidence when he came in, he'd been dropped by his club which had had an edverse effect on his national position. I see Robinson as a similar situation. He is a good keeper but is completely out of sorts at the moment. He'll be a decent buy for someone. He's the right age for a keeper and would be a good succesor to Brad. I'd be very happy for those two players ot come in.

Friedel was completely overlooked. That was an exceptional circumstance.

Warnock has done well.

However, to be fair, they came from Liverpool - who are NOT a direct rival - whereas Tottenham are.

You could not take Robinson - at his fee and on his wages - unless Friedel left. You would never get more from selling Brad than you would have to pay for Robinson because of their ages. That deal would actually cost you money and Brad is a far better keeper than Robinson, so it doesn't make sense to do it.

[den]

I am delighted that there is more money in - I said that earlier. That is great, it's a response to public concern. Cue applause.

But this seems to have been a sweetener for an article that basically says:

1 - the other bidders didn't offer enough, we don't like them, they talked to the nasty tabloids.

2 - the club is worth £50 million at least [bEFORE picking up the debts presumably].

IF there is an American bidder WHY mention him/them now? Could it just be to bump up the price? I wonder.

IF there is an American bidder, name him/them.

I tracked down three bidders and laid them open to public scrutiny...

Now we have a 'myserty American bidder' - well, tell us who it is.

Number 2 is an interesting one. I'm really not trying to cause any argument, but you have always said that the trust are asking for too much money. JW says why the club is valued so highly, - any comment on that, is he wrong?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Darren Bent HAS scored goals wherever he's been. He's not been given a run of games at Spurs but has still chipped in with a few goals.

As for Robinson, surely that's a similar case to Friedel. Friedel was low on confidence when he came in, he'd been dropped by his club which had had an edverse effect on his national position. I see Robinson as a similar situation. He is a good keeper but is completely out of sorts at the moment. He'll be a decent buy for someone. He's the right age for a keeper and would be a good succesor to Brad. I'd be very happy for those two players ot come in.

Unless we sell a striker there is no point in bringing in another.

Robinson won't come to us to sit on the bench for a couple of seasons. Brad is the better keeper and if he keeps fit i can easilly see him playing for a few seasons yet.

If Bentley is to leave it should be for cash, not Spurs rejects. Even then i still have serious reservations in selling Bentley to clubs i see as our rivals for the Uefa Cup spots.

I'm not the manager but if i was i would tell Bentley he is going nowhere unless Liverpool, United, Chelsea or Arsenal come calling or a foreign based club.

[den]

I'm not the manager but if i was i would tell Bentley he is going nowhere unless Liverpool, United, Chelsea or Arsenal come calling or a foreign based club.

Correct. That would also dispel any uncertainty at a time where there is major repair work going on. Bentley would have to wait another year for me.

[Hughesy]

IF there was a 50% sell on clause attached to Bentley (Which im sure there isnt) then I would make him see out his contract. Its as simple as that.

£10m is not enough. Although like i said before, i dont believe there a 50% sell on clause attached

[John]

Re: takeover.

Don't quite understand all the shock and questions..... JW has just stated what he always has said.

I think he is also suggesting, like Mark Hughes did at the end of last season, that certain prospective bidders simply do not have enough money to take us forward.

[nicko]

Number 2 is an interesting one. I'm really not trying to cause any argument, but you have always said that the trust are asking for too much money. JW says why the club is valued so highly, - any comment on that, is he wrong?

It's really a matter of opinion. The owners can look for anything that they want. They are entitled to do that.

However three bidders that we know of all felt that it was too expensive. They looked at the figures and came up with that. Of course, they are all trying to force a deal too - I fully understand that.

The valuation also includes the 'profit' that the Trustees want to make. Again, that is understandable, it's just the 'how much' that is causing the problem.

I think this move by the Trustees is to head off the first criticism they have had, but it won't change the overall picture. They want rid. They don't want to become unpopular, but they want to go.

This is COSTING them money now when they want to be MAKING it by selling. That can't continue either.

[broadsword]

Disagree to a certain extent Nicko, we took Friedel who wasn't good enough for Liverpool, Warnock who couldn't get a game.

we also took Samba who wasn't deemed good enough to get into Hamburgs first team.

It's all about the right player at the right club. Darren Bent HAS scored goals wherever he's been. He's not been given a run of games at Spurs but has still chipped in with a few goals.

Ipswich in the second tier, and he was the main outlet for a rubbish Charlton side. If he could've stepped up from that, then Spurs wouldn't want to sell.

We don't want him, particularly for the price Spurs would be after.

[nicko]

Re: takeover.

Don't quite understand all the shock and questions..... JW has just stated what he always has said.

I think he is also suggesting, like Mark Hughes did at the end of last season, that certain prospective bidders simply do not have enough money to take us forward.

But neither you nor I know that.

If I was bidding for a club I wouldn't let anyone know how much I had.

You don't go into a car sales centre and start flashing the bling about if you plan to haggle...

[RibbleValleyRover]

Nicko, have you heard any news on Michael Johnson?

Any clubs still interested in him? Does Hughes want to keep him?

The media raved about him when he burst onto the scene, and looked a good player on the few occassions i saw him play.

[nicko]

Nicko, have you heard any news on Michael Johnson?

Any clubs still interested in him? Does Hughes want to keep him?

The media raved about him when he burst onto the scene, and looked a good player on the few occassions i saw him play.

I know he was offered around a couple of months ago. Everton are interested, but not at the price which is around £8 million.

Good player, but a bit 'large' by all accounts.

[nicko]

If I was bidding for a club I wouldn't let anyone know how much I had.

You don't go into a car sales centre and start flashing the bling about if you plan to haggle...

Better example. I win the lottery and decide to buy Partick Thistle [no gags about winning just £10 please].

I don't let them know it's me who wants to buy, I buy shares and move in quietly.

If I go in the front door and tell the world I'm minted the incompetent b*******s who have wrecked my club would think 'we'll have this mug's money.'

Rovers are not exactly like that, but it's the same principle.

[socngill]

Could the 50% clause be Rovers trying to put people off how much money we will have? They certainly don't like people know ing what we have spent or gained through transfers and if everybody knows that we received £17m for Bentley they would increase the asking price for people we want to buy. but by telling everybody that actually we only get half of that would stop this occuring?

of course Arsenal might be ###### off by that as it would suggest to clubs that they have an extra £7m? Just sounds like a tactic we might use.

As for Robinson I think he's a very able goalkeeper, and although he had a pretty bad season last season he was still Englands number 1. Friedel isn't getting any younger and will need to be replaced at some point pretty soon - 1-2 years. So why not bring somebody in know and give Friedel a coaching role?

[John]

But neither you nor I know that.

If I was bidding for a club I wouldn't let anyone know how much I had.

You don't go into a car sales centre and start flashing the bling about if you plan to haggle...

See below.

"Any new owner would have to be able to support the club in the transfer market, because we want to try to move to the next level, which for us means regularly finishing in the top six.

“In the current climate, that could be a very expensive business.”

JW has stated all along we would need someone with a significant amount of money. Mark Hughes also suggested some people were wasting their time talking to us....

I would like to believe Dan Williams and Nabeel Chowdery could help us out, but quite clearly they cannot!

Fair play, they were kind and generous enough to talk to you and reveal their 'dream vision', but I certainly was not opening any champagne.

[RevidgeBlue]

If it turns out to be true, can't believe we were daft enough to let Arsenal have a 50% sell on clause wiith Bentley. We really are the softest touch when it comes to transfer negotiations.

As one poster mentioned above, we now have to hope that RSC isn't too set on a move to Arsenal otherwise theoretically we could lose Bentley and RSC for a combined total of 13m if they value Rocky at 10m.

A testing few weeks ahead.

[doctorryan]

Are they going to see their relatives in West Virginia?

and Kentucky.