[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[mick]

how will they know if he passes it in two years? avram grant couldn't find the time when he was at chelski. they must be clairvoyant!!!

always wanted laudrup...ince is a buffoon and an egotistical, classless one at that. met him before and have never liked him. a sad day for rovers if he is appointed. chumpionship football here we come!

[RibbleValleyRover]

Ince will have my full suppport, though i've been clear he was not my first choice.

I'll be interested to see who else he brings in with him.

[nicko]

Nicko, you mentioned the other day that Ray Mathias is a good man..... please expand a little bit!

Wigan played good football under him, he was a big influence at a successful Tranmere team.

He has been around the block and knows the game.

A very decent fella.

[Roversider]

It seems very much that Ince is likely to be the candidate, was excited at the thought of Laudrup but I'm reasonably happy with Ince. Real interest in who comes with him. I remember Mathias playing against us for Tranmere, pretty much a journeyman player.

You must give Ferguson some credit, four of his ex-players managing in the Premiership, Keane, Hughes, Bruce and probably Ince. Quite a collection.

Meanwhile lets all be grateful that John Williams is working for us, there must be a few clubs looking at him now - Arsenal for example?

[Cocker]

Right ok. Its nailed on and done then. Going forward I will obviously give him my full support but for some reason I feel like I am at the start of a film and someone is advising not to go up to the haunted house on the hill - let the fun and games begin.

[mick]

no-one, 'cos he's the guvner! he don't need nobody.

[tony gale's mic]

Oh dear, this will hunt us for years...just like "we could have had Zidane"! Can't believe that we are going for Ince if Laudrup would accept an offer.

Yep I'm getting strong hints of the Zidane affair here too. On no level whatsoever is Ince a better candidate than Laudrup. Not even close.

This just about sums up our lack of ambition.

I for one am not going to stand by and say "I back whichever decision JW makes as he knows best" when he needed to find out from other fans that it was a good idea to talk to Laudrup.

[SamTheShrew]

you could say that both men are untested in the prem, as they are, but there just seems to be so many +'s about Laudrup, i can't even see how its a battle, never mind Ince being nearly in the job.

Ince may have a 'plan', but what is it exactly? consolidation? i can just see us having the season over by xmas and battling with boro for 13th.

imo we have NEVER had a better chance to progress from where Hughes left us, and to me that can only be with someone like laudrup and the players he could attract.

by appointing Ince i see a lack of ambition and consequently, and sadly, degression

[Roversider]

Wigan played good football under him, he was a big influence at a successful Tranmere team.

He has been around the block and knows the game.

A very decent fella.

Agree on your comments Nicko, still the concern that he would be in amuch different environment than his previous jobs - but - how he fits with Ince is the most important thing.

[philipl]

Just out of interest, did John Williams ever meet Beenhakker?

[John]

I have made my feelings clear on Ince the person.

However, like I have done with all BRFC managers I will support them to the hilt. I must stress though, unlike the Souness & Hughes appointments, I don't feel that great about this one.....

[mick]

brfc self destructing again. have seen 50 years of this kind of nonsense with them. periods of gifted insightful football. loads of promise and lots of youth in the side only for some cheap director to decide now is a great time to cash in! again we plunge needlessly into the dark ages.

[SamTheShrew]

I have made my feelings clear on Ince the person.

However, like I have done with all BRFC managers I will support them to the hilt. I must stress though, unlike the Souness & Hughes appointments, I don't feel that great about this one.....

I think that because we had such strong characters in both, and success that this is inevitable. but I am exactly the same

what happens if we take bugger all points from the first 4-5 games? deny it, but the atmosphere amongst fans will immediately be apprehension.

I'm sure Ince is/will be an excellent manager. I just don't see why its down to us, the 7th best team in England, to find out whether this is true

[BRFC1995]

Seriously start naming some players that are gonna bin off bigger clubs and wages just because of their admiration for laudrup, anyone who would come would still do so with darren peacock in charge! Joke argument.

[Roversider]

brfc self destructing again. have seen 50 years of this kind of nonsense with them. periods of gifted insightful football. loads of promise and lots of youth in the side only for some cheap director to decide now is a great time to cash in! again we plunge needlessly into the dark ages.

?????

How easy it is to prejudge a decision, what has been wrong with John Williams decisions on the managerial front so far? Not a solid critique I'm afraid.

[nicko]

Just out of interest, did John Williams ever meet Beenhakker?

I only heard that from one source...like I said at the time...and now that Laudrup's chat has been confirmed I can't imagine that he saw both.

[1864roverite]

Of course, as Rovers fans he will get the support. My worry is that the support might not last long enough. Rovers do not have to consolidate anywhere we are in a position of strength and need to move forward.

Rovers have the players, they have the facilities and have the ethic of hardwork instilled. The worst thing that can happen here is that we have a bad start to the season, the crowd gets on the back of the players, Ince buckels under the pressure and wer begin all over again in the search for a replacement. By that time, there may be other casualties in the league and the likes of a BFS, who might, at that time be the one who could save us, be employed elsewhere.

I certainly do not rate RAY MATTHIAS as a Premiership coach. His ideas will not be what our current squad will be expecting.

In contrast, Laudrup would bring the opposite. A good technical coach who clearly motivates footballers like Hughes did. He is also a worldwide name with a wonderful reputation. I know Ince captained England and manure, but he is very much the opposite of everything that Laudrup is.

[iamarover]

Yep I'm getting strong hints of the Zidane affair here too. On no level whatsoever is Ince a better candidate than Laudrup. Not even close.

This just about sums up our lack of ambition.

I for one am not going to stand by and say "I back whichever decision JW makes as he knows best" when he needed to find out from other fans that it was a good idea to talk to Laudrup.

Do not believe your own MB publicity. the idea that JW was bumbling around the MB one night and saw the name LAUDRUP then thought...' you know what?'....

Give him some credit. And face facts. There are as many question marks over Laudrup as Ince. Both are unproven. And there was not exactly a stampede to get him in after his (some time ago) resignation from Getafe was there? And why did he leave the Gets? Well money.. and basically he thinks he is much better than them. Doesn't sound a Rover to me.

Ince is a stroppy, loud mouthed, big cojones sort of bloke who thinks he is much better than he is. He comes from the small town managerially and secretly everyone else hates him and wishes he wasn't in the Premier League. But. He has skill (Arte) and is prepared for hard work witness his graft (Labore) at Macclesfield and MK while Mary Poppins was on the golf course. He has had to suffer prejudice and snide comments throughout his career but in the end...

well

We are the Rovers. And, so, thankfully, is he

[sjsbrfc]

brfc self destructing again. have seen 50 years of this kind of nonsense with them. periods of gifted insightful football. loads of promise and lots of youth in the side only for some cheap director to decide now is a great time to cash in! again we plunge needlessly into the dark ages.

Give the guy a chance FFS!

[nicko]

Ince wouldn't have been my choice, but:

He had the balls to take on Macclesfield and keep them up - one mission impossible achieved.

He also turned down a chance to leave before taking on MK Dons.

He had a lot going for him at MK Dons in terms of players and finance...he took them up.

So that's two for two.

There are unknowns - like how he spends money - but in the main he has handled everything in front of him.

If he has also matured, which he must have to impress some of the Rovers stuffed shirts, then that is good news too.

***So much for the Ince turned it down and nicko was lying through his teeth theory...are we allowed to mention that?

[John]

This has been seen before, but looking at it again it seems we are going back to the old skool style coaching. Seems like the big man has been sacked a fair few times as well.

Profile of our soon to become coach Ray Mathias

Not trying to add more doom and gloom, but an outside bet for our coaching staff will be Roy Evans, someone Ince still gets on with really well and has experience.

[1864roverite]

ye Iamarover, the snide remarks began after he left wham for manure having been seen wearing the shirt of manure whilst still a whamboy. Not to mention the sticking up of fingers at away fans, the money signs at wham when badgered by their fans and the mouthing of at refs, players and opposition managers.

Thats why he is Mr unpopular within Football, his colour has nothing to do with it.

[ffan]

I certainly do not rate RAY MATTHIAS as a Premiership coach. His ideas will not be what our current squad will be expecting.

Just out of interest, how do you know what Matthias' ideas will not what the squad will be expecting?

Have you seen his training methods first hand or is it just a guess?

[SamTheShrew]

Seriously start naming some players that are gonna bin off bigger clubs and wages just because of their admiration for laudrup, anyone who would come would still do so with darren peacock in charge! Joke argument.

i was suggesting the contacts and knowledge of european football that Laudrup will have, and Ince will probably not. he cannot have such knowledge, why would he when he is managing in league two. I wasnt suggesting players would come because of him, although it may play a part, as it may with players like bentley who may decide to stay.

i just feel the players he could get in would be far better

[tony gale's mic]

Do not believe your own MB publicity. the idea that JW was bumbling around the MB one night and saw the name LAUDRUP then thought...' you know what?'....

Give him some credit. And face facts. There are as many question marks over Laudrup as Ince. Both are unproven. And there was not exactly a stampede to get him in after his (some time ago) resignation from Getafe was there? And why did he leave the Gets? Well money.. and basically he thinks he is much better than them. Doesn't sound a Rover to me.

Ince is a stroppy, loud mouthed, big cojones sort of bloke who thinks he is much better than he is. He comes from the small town managerially and secretly everyone else hates him and wishes he wasn't in the Premier League. But. He has skill (Arte) and is prepared for hard work witness his graft (Labore) at Macclesfield and MK while Mary Poppins was on the golf course. He has had to suffer prejudice and snide comments throughout his career but in the end...

well

We are the Rovers. And, so, thankfully, is he

You'd think so, wouldn't you? Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction....

The rest - sorry but thats twaddle. The man has slagged off Rovers before and only wants to come to us as its his big chance to manage in the Premier League. If he starts doing a half decent job with us then he'll start thinking he's better than us.

Not that I'd be opposed to him managing the club on those grounds, but there's a much more capable candidate who spent 4 years at the club before Getafe (Brondby), everyone seems to forget this.