[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[John]

Some of the media reporting has been right on this story..... I think Ince will be given money. However, that money will probably come from the sales of Bentley and also Cruz. Should be at least £25 million.

Expectations will be lower, as it would be hard to improve on 7th, especially after selling your two best players. Hence why Ince talks about his 3/4 year plan.

[Sysagent]

I think it's a BIG risk appointing Ince (if this is what seems to be occuring), it's like employing somebody who has only ever drove a 50cc moped to drive a Bugatti Veron around Rome during the rush hour...

They can either crash pretty damn quickly or just manage to scrape through with some of the paintwork getting damaged along the way, but eventually getting to grips with the task and becoming quite proficient at it....

The thing is will the owner of the Veron have the patience to wait for his scratched vehicle to get through Rome undamaged?

[John]

On MK fan websites, they also believe this man will be joining Ince at Rovers: Keith Andrews

Right, I am going to stop reading speculation, off for a large whiskey and a cigar!

[roversmum]

Living in Swindon i'm in a bad postion to moan about roundabouts really - We've taken a simple idea and turned it into possibly the most convoluted road junction in the entire world

The magic roundabout

Haven't really got a problem with the roundabout ideal, apart from the amount of tyres i get through, and moments of absolute drunken "genius" as shown in the link.

Just came in so a bit behind with the posts but have to comment on my beloved Magic Roundabout . Was there when it first opened, how I used to love whizzing through it when previously it was a nightmare getting over that junction. Happy days.....(and Swindon Town FC is on one of the corners too!).

[bringdunnback]

Im not happy with us signing a League 1, this Andrews story had better not be true!!!!!!

[Bing]

Paul Ince played in the top flight for the vast majority of his footballing career. I'm sure he knows the talent and ability it requires to play at that level. Whilst Andrews might be one of his favourites and key players at MK Dons I highly doubt he'll even consider bringing any League 2 journeymen with him.

[bob fleming]

..... I think Ince will be given money. However, that money will probably come from the sales of Bentley and also Cruz.

Selling Dave Bentley to a nailed on Champions League, Real Winners, Big Club, Massive Ambition Team like Spurs or City for about £15m - I can accept. That can go next to the £10m the LT reported we had for new players this summer and presumably the £5M we got for Hughes and his Taffia (less the £250K ish (?) for paying up Ince's and Mathias' contracts). Giving us a War Chest of just under £30m. *cough*. Yeah of course it will - or will it "Jersey"?

Selling Santa Cruz I can't accept. That should be a massive fight and the Chairman should turn the charm on for that one against The Trust. I believe Santa Cruz when he says he owes us for last season. We shall see.

[BRFC1995]

what a load of ____, why are people scaremongering, basically saying rubbish to slur a manager before he's in! Never in a million years are we ever signing a 28 year old from the fourth division. Seriously why bring up such a complete fairy tale if not to basicly sully the name of the manager as "not big time enough for your liking". You really think after all those years playing top class football he does'nt know you need real quality to succeed.

[Bobby G]

Id be sickened if Roque was sold. Id be even more sickened if we didnt have all the money from the Bentley sale as well as some more from the Trust in a sizeable kitty...

At the same time, Im a bit reserved about how Ince and his coaching team can "improve" our players or improve the teams fortunes...For the first time in a long time, Im scared about what the future holds...

[JAL]

Paul Ince played in the top flight for the vast majority of his footballing career. I'm sure he knows the talent and ability it requires to play at that level. Whilst Andrews might be one of his favourites and key players at MK Dons I highly doubt he'll even consider bringing any League 2 journeymen with him.

Just you wait !

Ince big mouth, big ego not a smart lad in my book. This one does not sit right with me at all and judging by many other fans comments made on this messageboard the directors should take note.

If Paul Ince is to have a modicum of success then he'll need the best back up team there possible is, plus plenty of financial resources because costly mistakes are going to be made thats for sure.

[bob fleming]

always wanted laudrup...ince is a buffoon and an egotistical, classless one at that. met him before and have never liked him. a sad day for rovers if he is appointed. chumpionship football here we come!

Egotistical? No Class? Not Popular?

Sounds like a right @#/?. Still at least the most successful manager of our times doesn't share any of those traits. You know who I mean. He might have learnt a bit from that bloke you know?

A lot of us (me included) wanted Shearer - "no experience!" came the shout. This guy has got his hands dirty and done a bit and isn't sat in a studio pontificating. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Why would Laudrup have been any better? Because he played for Barca & Juve? Assistant Manager of Denmark? Captained Inter Milan and Manchester United. Played for his country? Hang on a minute....

It must be the internet. Too many downers and not enough uppers.

[allrovertheworld]

I think there maybe more to come from this one guys. A few more twists and turns.

Whilst we can all see Ince is going to be a good manager in the future there are lots of people of the opinion he isn't ready to take on the job of filling Hughes shoes. It is clear that Rovers have asked for special circustances if they want to appoint Ince, but this alone does not mean he has the job. The question has to be asked at some stage.

For those who want an answer and are unhappy at how long this is taking, lets think about it Hughes left very quickly and we know how our club operates. We had 40 applicants and interviews needed to be arranged with JW having tho go to the Euros. I for one am happy to wait as long as we get the right man.

At the moment I don't feel that is Ince.

We'll see, but any of th two managers on display at the Euros would be perfect.

[Bing]

If Paul Ince is to have a modicum of success then he'll need the best back up team there possible is, plus plenty of financial resources because costly mistakes are going to be made thats for sure.

How is that 'for sure'? Ince has a flawless managerial record so far. League 2 is much more alien to him than the top half of the top flight. I'd have expected mistakes to have been made by him at that level than at our level as was the case with Tony Adams' awful spell at Wycombe.

He's probably missing out a step in his progression (say, a couple of seasons at a Leicester or a Norwich) but I have no doubts he knows what it takes tactically to succeed as a Premier League manager.

[Guest Kamy100]

Why are people so down on Ince? I will freely admit that I would like Laudrup as I believe he has the skills and experience to take the club forward, however the appointment of Ince wouldn't mean that we are going to be relegated or that there is going to be some huge dip. He picked up the basics over the last 2 years, the interviews I have read from him seem to me that he talks sense and during his playing career he played under some great managers whilst playing for the like of Man Utd, Liverpool and Inter Milan.

As for who is going to be appointed who knows? Just when you think everything is sorted out the situation changes.

[Fife Rover]

Thenodrog makes a valid point.

If you think Rennie's race wasn't a factor in his promotion then you are naive.

I remember reading match reports in the Guardian, when Rennie first came on the scene, were the match reporter went out of his/her way to particularly praise him. The game itself between the two teams was treated as a bit of a side issue to the wonderful event of a black official gamboling around the centre circle.

Rennie was catapulted in to the Premier League way beyond his experience and ability warranted at the time (he did improve belatedly).

A few months back, there was a huge advertisement in the Sunday Times from whatever quango is running the London Olympics, under the vapid headline ‘Together’. The photograph at the top of the ad showed British schoolchildren running across a playground, with great determination. Of course non of the children at all were ‘white’ as of course that might smack of elitism.

The message was loud and clear. Promotion of ethnic minorities and 'equality' is far more important to some organisations than simply appointing the best candidate.

For what it's worth, I can hardly think of two more ideal candidates than the final 2 we are left with.

John Williams is either the shrewdest man on the block or just lucky. Ince and Winkleman now know that if their individual demands are too astronomical, there is an equally ideal candidate waiting in the wings.

I was in the Ince camp, due to his determination and liklier long term durability in England, until reading his do boy's article in the Mirror, which brought back to me his snide comments about us over a decade ago.

I'll support either candidate wholeheartedly because they both are the best available.

If Ince is appointed however, just don't expect the race issue not to be a factor throughout his tenure at Ewood.

It will always be a factor as long as people keep talking about it and keep treating it as though it actually matters.

I really cannot understand why it matters to so many people. I never even think about the colour of somebody's skin when I am talking to them or in their presence. They are just people like the rest of us; no better and no worse. What is so hard to understand about that?

On the other hand as long as people see it as an issue and keep talking about it, then an issue it will be. Just forget it completely and get on with your life.

[JAL]

How is that 'for sure'? Ince has a flawless managerial record so far. League 2 is much more alien to him than the top half of the top flight. I'd have expected mistakes to have been made by him at that level than at our level as was the case with Tony Adams' awful spell at Wycombe.

He's probably missing out a step in his progression (say, a couple of seasons at a Leicester or a Norwich) but I have no doubts he knows what it takes tactically to succeed as a Premier League manager.

Hes flawless division 2? We are on a different level altogether were international standards has to be the norm - mistakes are punished far more easily at premiership level.

Ince has been backed up by a lower league stalwart in Mathias, Mathias has never been around international players before so how can you positively say Ince wont make mistakes at premiership level when he hasnt done any coaching qualifications how?.

[ABBEY]

been busy and not been online for a day ...wow just seen 26 pages on here..wont be catching em all but i bet kleenex sales in brfcs land have shot up

[JAL]

Why are people so down on Ince? I will freely admit that I would like Laudrup as I believe he has the skills and experience to take the club forward, however the appointment of Ince wouldn't mean that we are going to be relegated or that there is going to be some huge dip. He picked up the basics over the last 2 years, the interviews I have read from him seem to me that he talks sense and during his playing career he played under some great managers whilst playing for the like of Man Utd, Liverpool and Inter Milan.

As for who is going to be appointed who knows? Just when you think everything is sorted out the situation changes.

Well, give us some more positives on Ince other than hes picked up the basics in two years, this simply isnt enough to champion him for the Rovers cause.

[Bing]

so how can you positively say Ince wont make mistakes at premiership level when he hasnt done any coaching qualifications how?.

I fail to see the relevance of the qualifications. Most of the experienced in the Prem think they're a gimmick and a joke.

I think playing for Manchester United, Inter Milan and Liverpool under managers like Sir Alex Ferguson is better preparation for life as a manager in the Premier League than sitting through hours of lectures based on a curriculum dreamt up by Trevor Brooking or Howard Wilkinson and delivered by some FA bod who probably coaches under 8s on a Sunday morning.

[ABBEY]

Howard Wilkinson .

was he not the last english manager to win the leage or am i pished?

[roverfanuk]

MANAGERIAL PROGRESS - none that I am aware of, but it was always going to be a slow ring-round on Ince - they have to make it look thorough.

SIGNINGS OR SALES - there won't be any just now. Bentley and Spurs keeps getting mentioned but when did they rob a bank. Roque is a worry if Adebayor moves...but that's for another week.

INCE NO BADGES - perhaps he didn't have the time, but more likely didn't have the inclination.

RONALDO - said a long time ago I had heard there was a fixed fee price clause...if it happens at 80 million euros we will know for sure...but don't discount Barcelona trying top do Real at the end.

Any other subjects not intentionally ignored...I've got a Sunday paper to satisfy for a few hours. Which is a horrible mental picture.

Firstly, i feel i should admit i was the person who made the gag about Henk ten Cate on Wiki, "long pen and loud voice"... Unfortunately some snooty Greek chap had it removed!

With regard to the Santa Cruz to Arsenal link, surely Andrei Arshavin is the replacement... or so i have heard... With Van Persie and Walcott (being moved from right wing) being employed upfront more with Arshavin being employed in midfield/right midfield?

Also, Nicko, i asked you yesterday. Could you see Ince bringing someone like Mike Newell into the club, he has the obvious history with the club/fans, and has also apparently drawn up a shopping list of players the club should look at (whilst being linked to the No.2 job with Shearer taking over)...?

[JAL]

I fail to see the relevance of the qualifications. Most of the experienced in the Prem think they're a gimmick and a joke.

I think playing for Manchester United, Inter Milan and Liverpool under managers like Sir Alex Ferguson is better preparation for life as a manager in the Premier League than sitting through hours of lectures based on a curriculum dreamt up by Trevor Brooking or Howard Wilkinson and delivered by some FA bod who probably coaches under 8s on a Sunday morning.

After Rovers turned down Maclown and big fat Sam to plump for a non qualified man your probably right, but Ill go back to Ince in saying that he would need some quality back up staff to guide him through.

Does it really smack of ambition appointing Paul Ince for me it does not, but then again Rovers should never have released the fact that they interviewed a more capable candidate in Micheal Laudrup, big mistake, and a big confidence blow to the board from the fans, who will question their ability to make the right decisions if things dont go right.

[nicko]

Firstly, i feel i should admit i was the person who made the gag about Henk ten Cate on Wiki, "long pen and loud voice"... Unfortunately some snooty Greek chap had it removed!

With regard to the Santa Cruz to Arsenal link, surely Andrei Arshavin is the replacement... or so i have heard... With Van Persie and Walcott (being moved from right wing) being employed upfront more with Arshavin being employed in midfield/right midfield?

Also, Nicko, i asked you yesterday. Could you see Ince bringing someone like Mike Newell into the club, he has the obvious history with the club/fans, and has also apparently drawn up a shopping list of players the club should look at (whilst being linked to the No.2 job with Shearer taking over)...?

Arsenal want Arshavin - but probably to replace Hleb in their team rather than Adebayor. They would need another player for that job...but Roque isn't first choice for that potential vacancy either.

I can't see Newell and Ince. They are not close. Ince will want his own guys and maybe a senior figure to join in too. And Newell is a Shearer ally, so you might not want a spy in the camp...

[ABBEY]

Arsenal want Arshavin - but probably to replace Hleb in their team rather than Adebayor. They would need another player for that job...but Roque isn't first choice for that potential vacancy either.

I can't see Newell and Ince. They are not close. Ince will want his own guys and maybe a senior figure to join in too. And Newell is a Shearer ally, so you might not want a spy in the camp...

shearer in sept then

[Presty On Tour]

Nicko, is there any hope left for Laudrup or is Ince a done deal?