[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[Tango]

I'd be happy with either if I'm honest. Laudrup clearly has more experience of european clubs and their players, together with a decent track record, but Ince has shown some good man-management thus far in his career and has gained a measure of success in his previous management jobs.

I'd opt for Laudrup but wouldn't be disappointed with Ince (our last ex-Man U player turned out alright! ... Nobody mention Kidd ... ).

[Grabbi Graeme]

was he not the last english manager to win the leage or am i pished?

Yeah Wilkinson was the last english manager to win the league and it will be a while before another englishman wins it again.

[SamTheShrew]

Some of the media reporting has been right on this story..... I think Ince will be given money. However, that money will probably come from the sales of Bentley and also Cruz. Should be at least £25 million.

Expectations will be lower, as it would be hard to improve on 7th, especially after selling your two best players. Hence why Ince talks about his 3/4 year plan.

thats it for me. i dont see how with ince we can expect to replicate/surpasse 7th. its midtable mediocrity/13th/season over by xmas.

4 year plan...not very well if this plan takes us back from where we have been for 3 years. consolidation? from what?!

still unfathomable for me, with each day that increases, the strange feeling i have doesnt subside

[Iceman]

Sports headline."Ince and Keane,in touchline brawl"

[daren]

Huh, I'll support whoever's appointed after the appointment, but until then I'm going to have my say here

I said earlier in the process that if we went for a "manager from lower league" option that I'd prefer Martinez over Ince and I didn't know why, but someone said something since that clarified it. I really dislike Ince's waving of the racial card at any opportunity. That kind of what's paradoxically called "positive discrimination" (discrimination is discrimination, end of) makes me sick and the thought of it being associated with Rovers fills me with sadness.

And he has no class at all in the way he comes across. None. I loved Hughes' interview style, and Souness' and Woy and Kenny, Ray Harford and even Don MacKay (can't remember Kidd's interview style actually), but when I see Ince it reminds me of the idiot contestants on game shows, you know, the one you instantly hate.

I suppose I'm kinda like gumboots is about BFS in this. I hated Ince's attitudes as a player, I hated his comments about Rovers, and I don't like what I've heard about him in the media. Mind you, if he does well by Rovers I'll cheer loudly for him. But I would much prefer Laudrup's class.

Incidentally, the Turks do it again. The poor Croats didn't know what happened!

[rebelmswar]

Sports headline."Ince and Keane,in touchline brawl, Ince beaten unconscious"

[American]

was he not the last english manager to win the leage or am i pished?

Both?

[Jonnolad]

Looks like same old same old with Laudrup unfortunately:

"Michael Laudrup, the former Getafe coach, had given the position serious consideration but it is understood that his contract demands - he wanted release clauses built in that would allow him to move to a top Spanish club - made Blackburn uncomfortable, and that Laudrup got cold feet about Blackburn's ability to compete in the transfer market."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...1/sfnbla121.xml

[The Prof.]

This is becoming scary -

ML, well fair enough but unless he had asked for a really odd clause like -"I'm off at the first sniff of Sangria without compo" then he surely should have been the prime candidate. (Why did he leave Getafe though?)

No significant funds. Becoming an issue here now. Things have been getting tighter every year recently but and unless we go and give a manager a reason to come then you might as well advertise by saying:

"Wanted, manager with willingness to put up with current playing staff until club sold and uncertainty over tenure. Short term applicants only need apply"

I'm beginning to wonder why BFS withdrew and MClown joined Twente when potentially they were still in with a shout.

Still Bilic is now unoccupied so.......

[Paul Mellelieu]

Looks like same old same old with Laudrup unfortunately:

"Michael Laudrup, the former Getafe coach, had given the position serious consideration but it is understood that his contract demands - he wanted release clauses built in that would allow him to move to a top Spanish club - made Blackburn uncomfortable, and that Laudrup got cold feet about Blackburn's ability to compete in the transfer market."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...1/sfnbla121.xml

If true, then Laudrup is a none starter.

[John]

We have got to be honest and realistic folks. Without player sales we have one of the smallest transfer budgets in the league. Plus, we need to be very careful over our wage bill.

Look how much Hughes spent over his tenure. The purse strings have been tightened in recent times as well.

Any manager coming in must be fully aware of this.

We did the interviews and Ince fits the bill.

[Fife Rover]

Egotistical? No Class? Not Popular?

Sounds like a right @#/?. Still at least the most successful manager of our times doesn't share any of those traits. You know who I mean. He might have learnt a bit from that bloke you know?

A lot of us (me included) wanted Shearer - "no experience!" came the shout. This guy has got his hands dirty and done a bit and isn't sat in a studio pontificating. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Why would Laudrup have been any better? Because he played for Barca & Juve? Assistant Manager of Denmark? Captained Inter Milan and Manchester United. Played for his country? Hang on a minute....

It must be the internet. Too many downers and not enough uppers.

Very well said Bob. I too feel mixed emotions about PI, but I can see his pedigree is a good one, very similar to ML's. Only advantage ML has over Ince is experience at the top level as a manager. Both are young and ambitious, both can give our players strong leadership, and command respect. I say let's just accept that JW has done his stuff and picked what he sees as the BEST candidate for Rovers present and future situation. I trust that he has, and we should all give the new manager (whoever he is) our full support and see what happens before rushing to judgement. You never know; we may all be pleasently surprised in a few months time.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

We have got to be honest and realistic folks. Without player sales we have one of the smallest transfer budgets in the league. Plus, we need to be very careful over our wage bill.

Look how much Hughes spent over his tenure. The purse strings have been tightened in recent times as well.

Any manager coming in must be fully aware of this.

We did the interviews and Ince fits the bill.

I could have accepted that excuse a year-18 months ago. But the club has just finished 7th in the richest league in the world and has just collcted in the region of 50 million ( an increase of 20- 25 million) in prize money. They have also just pocketed a reported 5 million in compo for hughes and his staff.

There should be at least 10-15m to spend on transfers, before any potiential sales.

[tony gale's mic]

Now that Ince looks like definitely being our manager I will support him to the hilt, and before the Laudrup link was announced I was not unhappy with his appointment due to a dearth of other candidates, but now I think we may look back on this with regret.

Anyone comparing their pedigrees can't know much about Laudrup's career.

Laudrup:

Been coaching since 2000, where he assistant managed Denmark for two years.

Then he joined Brondby for 4 years, one of Denmarks biggest clubs, won the league and cup double once with them and the cup a further time, and finished runners up twice. I'll assume he competed in some kind of European competition with them too.

Last year he managed Getafe, tipped for relegation but finished a respectable 14th with them, got to the QFs of the UEFA cup and the final of the Spanish Cup.

His teams are famed for their attacking football and I'm fairly sure he's got more contacts than Paul Ince in the game.

Ince:

Started coaching in 2006, where he pulled off a great escape from relegation with Macclesfield Town.

Then went to MK Dons, where he did a fine job winning the league with admittedly the richest club in the league - but in the bottom tier of English football.

Should have a fair few contacts in the game but not as many as Laudrup I'd imagine.

Seems like a no-brainer surely, their CVs arent comparable.

However I will say two things:

1. Ince has only been successful in his career so far, and you can't say fairer than that.

2. Thank God we didn't end up appointing Shearer. I for one was always dead against that and that WOULD have been a disaster.

[Paul Mellelieu]

I'm not sure if this has been covered, but surely part of JW's calculation is the reaction of the current playing staff, and it has been mentioned (via a drunken chat with Dunn?) that an English manager is their preference. Brad's intervention may have been more than a personal view and he might have been acting as the players' Shop Steward, so to speak.

Laudrup is a very attractive option, but this appointment is not just a case of look at the CVs and choose. There are many other factors to consider, which is what JW is paid his condsiderable income for.

Might I make an appeal: let's not mention race cards, positive discrimination and so on. Ince's colour will have played no part in his appointment by the Rovers' Board.

[bob fleming]

2. Thank God we didn't end up appointing Shearer. I for one was always dead against that

Were you? You should have said something.

[Hughesy]

Fact of the matter is that Laudrup doesnt have the desire if he wants a spanish clause is there.

We shouldnt allow and clause. At least Ince wants a 3-4 year plan.

[tony gale's mic]

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[John]

Bit of a trend with our managers, all have a good playing history and a bit of passion (Souness, Hughes & now Ince).

[SamTheShrew]

Huh, I'll support whoever's appointed after the appointment, but until then I'm going to have my say here

I said earlier in the process that if we went for a "manager from lower league" option that I'd prefer Martinez over Ince and I didn't know why, but someone said something since that clarified it. I really dislike Ince's waving of the racial card at any opportunity. That kind of what's paradoxically called "positive discrimination" (discrimination is discrimination, end of) makes me sick and the thought of it being associated with Rovers fills me with sadness.

And he has no class at all in the way he comes across. None. I loved Hughes' interview style, and Souness' and Woy and Kenny, Ray Harford and even Don MacKay (can't remember Kidd's interview style actually), but when I see Ince it reminds me of the idiot contestants on game shows, you know, the one you instantly hate.

I suppose I'm kinda like gumboots is about BFS in this. I hated Ince's attitudes as a player, I hated his comments about Rovers, and I don't like what I've heard about him in the media. Mind you, if he does well by Rovers I'll cheer loudly for him. But I would much prefer Laudrup's class.

Incidentally, the Turks do it again. The poor Croats didn't know what happened!

Kidd - "Can't fault the lads for their effort today......." Everyday? U had to Brian, these lads got u relegated

[imy9]

Scottish, Welsh and finally English.

Listening to MK Don fans and other pundits, Ince likes to play attractive football- lets be fair football under Hughes was dire for a lot of last season.

Ince is a role model and a pioneer in becoming the first Black English PL manager and I am getting excited already about possible signings!

Maybe Ince can discuss Ronaldo's transfer to us with Fergy!!

[RevidgeBlue]

Looks like same old same old with Laudrup unfortunately:

"Michael Laudrup, the former Getafe coach, had given the position serious consideration but it is understood that his contract demands - he wanted release clauses built in that would allow him to move to a top Spanish club - made Blackburn uncomfortable, and that Laudrup got cold feet about Blackburn's ability to compete in the transfer market."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...1/sfnbla121.xml

It seemed fairly obvious to me from Laudrup's agent's comments in the LT that Laudrup wasn't particularly committed to the idea of managing Blackburn Rovers.

Ince is a no brainer in that respect surely.

It must also be hugely significant that our most senior player, Friedel gave Ince a ringing endorsement which would tend to indicate the appointment has the players backing.

[John]

Again, this time in interview mode...

[RevidgeBlue]

EDIT: Double post

[bringdunnback]

And he has no class at all in the way he comes across. None. I loved Hughes' interview style, and Souness' and Woy and Kenny, Ray Harford and even Don MacKay (can't remember Kidd's interview style actually), but when I see Ince it reminds me of the idiot contestants on game shows, you know, the one you instantly hate.

Can you please tell me what part of Hughes' interview style you 'loved'. Is it just me that found him to be very boring and always having an excuse, i.e the referee.