[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[thenodrog]

He probably has, but Robinson is the one they are currently working on. And with some optimism.

Optimism? Not unless the goals being lowered and narrowed for next season? Paul (Flying Pig) Robinson can get nowhere near the top corner either side his arse is too big.

[Scotty]

Robinson's a @#/? keeper. Friedel is a good one. Doesn't sound a good move to me.

[imy9]

COuldn't even get a regular start in the England side. Fowlers generation included Shearer and Owen in my eyes.

Ill rephrase that, the best finisher of his generation, I would suggest asking the Liverpool fans how highly they rated him, he is up their with Rush.

He does not need the money so why move to the PL? He is hungry and has a point to prove, is that no exactly the type of player you want in your squad. Would you be afraid (opposition) if Derbyshire was coming on or Fowler?

[den]

Robinson's a @#/? keeper. Friedel is a good one. Doesn't sound a good move to me.

Even worse when it costs us to do it.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Perhaps we should just all be happy and contented with the fact other clubs want our players....we appear happy to sell and help them

Thats just fine.Good 'owd Rovers the Premierships 'friendly' club.

[Amo]

But Ricky made a good point. Friedel was a laughing stock at Anfield until we took him off their hands. Robinson's played at the top level, and I think what he needs right now (like Friedel did) is some stability and trust.

[BRFC1995]

You have to play for the here and now, we can't be blooding youngsters and taking gambles. If we go through the trap door were done for. Therefore is friedel at this moment a better more reliable safer bet than robinson, of course he is it's a stupid question. This is beyond ridiculous there is too muh 2+2=5 journalism going on. Spuds want one of our players and that + a whiff of a rumour about our main man = spuds can bin a keeper who's career has come off the rails faster than bosnich on us in part exchange!!!!!

IF the worst comes to the worst and some mad idiot signs off on this deal, please mr.ince there is a whole world of goalkeepers out there don't make the expensive easy gamble. People say he's only 28 but that really means nothing, he's already played for england made millions and literally got fat, where is the ambition now, there is absolutely no guarentee he'll improve. Remember Brad came here with everything to prove and a great attitude, the man is still top draw anyone else in goal only makes us worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Gull]

Even worse when it costs us to do it.

If you calculate everything over the next 3 years it won't actually cost us anything.

Net cost of transfer is £1.5m.

Robinson would be paid about the same as what Friedel curently gets.

To keep Friedel we would have to pay him approximately £20k a week more for the next 3 years. That's approximately £1m per year for teh next 3 years.

Therefore we would actually be saving ourselves £1.5m if you assume that our league possition would have remained constant with or without Brad, which I know a few don't, but lets say Brad starts to deteriate over the next few years and in year 1 he would be better than another option, year 2 equal to another option and year 3 poorer than another option, therefore the net effect over the 3 years being nothing.

My last paragraph is making assumptions, but so does everyone on this board!

[Ricky]

umm.. and when we signed Brad he'd also made millions and played for his country... I dont really see the difference. Surely Robinson wants to be Englands number 1 again, that has to be enough motivation for anyone.

[BRFC1995]

If you calculate everything over the next 3 years it won't actually cost us anything.

Net cost of transfer is £1.5m.

Robinson would be paid about the same as what Friedel curently gets.

To keep Friedel we would have to pay him approximately £20k a week more for the next 3 years. That's approximately £1m per year for teh next 3 years.

Therefore we would actually be saving ourselves £1.5m if you assume that our league possition would have remained constant with or without Brad, which I know a few don't, but lets say Brad starts to deteriate over the next few years and in year 1 he would be better than another option, year 2 equal to another option and year 3 poorer than another option, therefore the net effect over the 3 years being nothing.

My last paragraph is making assumptions, but so does everyone on this board!

A great case for keeping brad on 20k more, i hope williams and ince see it too!

[BRFC1995]

umm.. and when we signed Brad he'd also made millions and played for his country... I dont really see the difference. Surely Robinson wants to be Englands number 1 again, that has to be enough motivation for anyone.

seriously, u could play for disneyland f.c and get a game for the u.s. And there is no way in the world u could compare thy're comparative riches at 28-29 years old.

Friedel never really broke no.1 spot anywhere in a decent league and had everything left to prove. Robinson is a spent force,money pit waiting to be dug!

[den]

If you calculate everything over the next 3 years it won't actually cost us anything.

Net cost of transfer is £1.5m.

Robinson would be paid about the same as what Friedel curently gets.

To keep Friedel we would have to pay him approximately £20k a week more for the next 3 years. That's approximately £1m per year for teh next 3 years.

Therefore we would actually be saving ourselves £1.5m if you assume that our league possition would have remained constant with or without Brad, which I know a few don't, but lets say Brad starts to deteriate over the next few years and in year 1 he would be better than another option, year 2 equal to another option and year 3 poorer than another option, therefore the net effect over the 3 years being nothing.

My last paragraph is making assumptions, but so does everyone on this board!

Oh well. That sounds a lot better. We can exchange a great keeper for a garbage one - and it wont cost us anything. I feel a lot happier now, - thanks.

[tony gale's mic]

umm.. and when we signed Brad he'd also made millions and played for his country... I dont really see the difference. Surely Robinson wants to be Englands number 1 again, that has to be enough motivation for anyone.

Different state of affairs. Friedel hardly played for Liverpool, he made one or two big errors and then he was written off as being rubbish, he didnt get a proper chance. We've seen more than enough of Robinson over the years to know hes not good enough.

[Hughesy]

umm.. and when we signed Brad he'd also made millions and played for his country... I dont really see the difference. Surely Robinson wants to be Englands number 1 again, that has to be enough motivation for anyone.

Agree 100% - Robinson would be ideal replacement. IF brad was to stay we would have to match the 3 year 50k a week. That is an extra £5m on the current wage structure and also we would get £2.5m ish from his sale. If we can get Robinson for a similar amount then id say lets do it.

[S15]

It bewilders me that people are so stupid to completely right off a guy who was Englands number one for the best part of 2 years (maybe longer).

Somebody name me a keeper who hasn't gone through a disasterous spell in their career, at which everyone claims you are finished. I can't name any, but I can name those who haven't...

Peter Schmeichel, David James, David Seaman, Peter Cech, and my personal favourite... BRAD FRIEDEL.

I remember damn well people were throwing a hissy fit when we signed him and sold Filan and Kelly. Friedels emergance in the team saw the end of a 7 game winning run which had shot us into the play off places in the old Division one. A mix up with Curtis saw us lose 2-1 to some @#/? team I choose to forget (Stockport?). This was a Liverpool flop and we thought Souness had lost it.

Though some pathetic, moronic people on here seem reluctant to give Ince a chance (why is that again, because we chose him over the Danish bloke?), but selling a 37 year old keeper for £2.5m and replacing him with an England international 10 years his junior is BLOODY GOOD BUSNIESS. Especially as opposed to DOUBLING THE 37 YEAR OLDS WAGES TO A PERIOD BEYOND HIS CURRENT CONTRACT.

The mind boggles, but one or two people in particular need to get a grip.

[nicko]

All I can tell you is that Paul Robinson IS the manager's first choice replacement for Brad.

He may be right, he may be wrong, but you've got to let him pick the people he wants.

He is the guy who stands or falls on decisions.

We can all disagree and moan, but you have named a manager and you have got to give him the chance to get on with it.

[brfcshabba]

I remember damn well people were throwing a hissy fit when we signed him and sold Filan and Kelly. Friedels emergance in the team saw the end of a 7 game winning run which had shot us into the play off places in the old Division one. A mix up with Curtis saw us lose 2-1 to some @#/? team I choose to forget (Stockport?). This was a Liverpool flop and we thought Souness had lost it.

Gillingham

[pick32]

Friedel turned down a big money move to united few seasons back so why would he go now, the club has said they want to keep hold of him and i think nicko just thinks that money speaks to every player when it realy doesnt.

[Hasta]

People are saying Robinson has had a poor season. Thats rubbish. I have berated Robinson to my mates since he was at Leeds. He is suspect on long shots, his decision making is poor and he has a habit of parrying shots back out into play.

I've said this for several years now and have been amazed as he has managed to hold down the number 1 jersey despite be a liability for England. His clanger for England when he mis-kicked the ball away in Croatia was a mistake any keeper could make. His positioning to be beat by the week looping header for the first goal was simply awful.

Is Friedel better than Robinson - YES

Is Friedel likely to be better than Robinson in two years time - YES

Would there be far better keepers and cheaper keepers on the market than Robinson - YES

Is Robinson considered good enough for Spurs, one of our supposed league rivals - NO

imy - after Forwers perfomances for the last 4 years Id be far more concerned to see Derbyshire coming on to face me than a has been. Fowler is no longer mobile and thus doesnt get the chance to show his finishing prowess any more. A City fan at work said that he was no good when they had him and that was how many years ago now. I've no beef with thaking him on trial as we're not paying him but don't think for one minute he'll be troubling the goalscorers.

Though some pathetic, moronic people on here seem reluctant to give Ince a chance (why is that again, because we chose him over the Danish bloke?), but selling a 37 year old keeper for £2.5m and replacing him with an England international 10 years his junior is BLOODY GOOD BUSNIESS. Especially as opposed to DOUBLING THE 37 YEAR OLDS WAGES TO A PERIOD BEYOND HIS CURRENT CONTRACT.

Robinson is the best of a bad, bad bunch of England keepers. The worst bunch my dad can remember in 50 years with no outstanding candidate. It would be better business from Ince if they replaced Firedel with a young 'good' keeper.

[S15]

And for the record, I hope we sell Friedel if it means getting cash and replacing him with Robinson.

I would do it even if the whole wage thing didn't exist and Friedel wanted to stay. It's called building for the future.

[BRFC1995]

It bewilders me that people are so stupid to completely right off a guy who was Englands number one for the best part of 2 years (maybe longer).

Somebody name me a keeper who hasn't gone through a disasterous spell in their career, at which everyone claims you are finished. I can't name any, but I can name those who haven't...

Peter Schmeichel, David James, David Seaman, Peter Cech, and my personal favourite... BRAD FRIEDEL.

I remember damn well people were throwing a hissy fit when we signed him and sold Filan and Kelly. Friedels emergance in the team saw the end of a 7 game winning run which had shot us into the play off places in the old Division one. A mix up with Curtis saw us lose 2-1 to some @#/? team I choose to forget (Stockport?). This was a Liverpool flop and we thought Souness had lost it.

Though some pathetic, moronic people on here seem reluctant to give Ince a chance (why is that again, because we chose him over the Danish bloke?), but selling a 37 year old keeper for £2.5m and replacing him with an England international 10 years his junior is BLOODY GOOD BUSNIESS. Especially as opposed to DOUBLING THE 37 YEAR OLDS WAGES TO A PERIOD BEYOND HIS CURRENT CONTRACT.

The mind boggles, but one or two people in particular need to get a grip.

At this very moment and even 1 year from now, you feel robinson is better than friedel......i don't ..he's under contract he has to stay!

[MancVillan]

Good post.

I wish we were signing Robinson if im honest.

[S15]

People need to stop these unrealistic comparisions with Tottenham.

''Is he good enough for our rivals etc etc,''..

Most of Spurs squad would get in our team. Like it or lump it they are a much bigger club, with much larger resources, and under a new manager are building a much better team. Now get over it, because ''Spurs cast offs'' are good enough for our team. There is a food chain, and we aren't very high when compared to our Premier League rivals.

[den]

To say Robinson is a good bet because Friedel worked out great and many fans didn't want him, is simply daft. By that logic, anyone would do.

You guys have to justify that Robinson IS a good goalkeeper, not just a bit off form, or has lost a bit of confidence. He has been absolutely woeful for a long time now.

[John]

People are saying Robinson has had a poor season. Thats rubbish. I have berated Robinson to my mates since he was at Leeds. He is suspect on long shots, his decision making is poor and he has a habit of parrying shots back out into play.

I've said this for several years now and have been amazed as he has managed to hold down the number 1 jersey despite be a liability for England.

I am exactly the same. I have never rated him that highly and have always relayed my feelings to the Spurs fans I know. They actually agreed with me last season. I never thought we would be in position where we are going to sign him now.