[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[Sandiway Blue]

It bewilders me that people are so stupid to completely right off a guy who was Englands number one for the best part of 2 years (maybe longer).

Somebody name me a keeper who hasn't gone through a disasterous spell in their career, at which everyone claims you are finished. I can't name any, but I can name those who haven't...

Peter Schmeichel, David James, David Seaman, Peter Cech, and my personal favourite... BRAD FRIEDEL.

I remember damn well people were throwing a hissy fit when we signed him and sold Filan and Kelly. Friedels emergance in the team saw the end of a 7 game winning run which had shot us into the play off places in the old Division one. A mix up with Curtis saw us lose 2-1 to some @#/? team I choose to forget (Stockport?). This was a Liverpool flop and we thought Souness had lost it.

Though some pathetic, moronic people on here seem reluctant to give Ince a chance (why is that again, because we chose him over the Danish bloke?), but selling a 37 year old keeper for £2.5m and replacing him with an England international 10 years his junior is BLOODY GOOD BUSNIESS. Especially as opposed to DOUBLING THE 37 YEAR OLDS WAGES TO A PERIOD BEYOND HIS CURRENT CONTRACT.

The mind boggles, but one or two people in particular need to get a grip.

At last a common sense post on Friedel !

[American Rover12]

The negative nancys are in full force, aren't they? Here's the deal:

Big Brad is a legend -- Fact

Brad's getting old -- Fact

We (maybe) get 2.5 mil for him -- Genius

Robinson IMO would not be a bad move. Think of all the other "terrible" and "washed up" players we've made great again. We know he has the skill, he just needs the confidence. I'd perfer not to be all doom and gloom until the season gets underway; then we'll be able to see how good or poor Ince has made his squad.

[S15]

At this very moment and even 1 year from now, you feel robinson is better than friedel......i don't ..he's under contract he has to stay!

Now, no I don't.

In a year, maybe Robinson will be better, maybe he won't.

In two years, not a doubt.

[BRFC1995]

All I can tell you is that Paul Robinson IS the manager's first choice replacement for Brad.

He may be right, he may be wrong, but you've got to let him pick the people he wants.

He is the guy who stands or falls on decisions.

We can all disagree and moan, but you have named a manager and you have got to give him the chance to get on with it.

and rovers pay his wages long after he's gone! i've as many negative feelings to the whole robinson issue as i had towards ostenstad when he was here(bloody leach)

[Hughesy]

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Please sign Robinson O'Neil!

[den]

Robinson IMO would not be a bad move. Think of all the other "terrible" and "washed up" players we've made great again.

Go on then, name them all.

[American]

Santa, Brad, Tugay, Bentley - and that's just the ones in the current squad (as of now!).

[nicko]

Brad Friedel has been one of the best signings the club ever made, possibly the best free transfer ever and was worth 10-12 points a season [good old Souey, eh].

However all good things come to an end.

Paul Robinson could turn out to be just as good. He is the one your manager wants and he played at a high enough level to judge.

I know this is a slightly emotional time - as it should be - but you can't condemn someone good enough to play for England at his peak as a nugget. He HAS to restore his reputation and HAS something to play for.

The comparisons with Brad's arrival are worth making. Remember he was out of the country before Souey stepped in.

[sjsbrfc]

I just wish people would give Ince a chance. If you can't be bothered to get behind the new manager, and be full of gloom and doom even before a ball has been kicked, then I for one hope you won't be there for the first home game of the season.

Support Rovers and the new management team, give them a chance. If you can't be bothered to, then stay at home next season.

Get a grip FFS!

[S15]

To say Robinson is a good bet because Friedel worked out great and many fans didn't want him, is simply daft. By that logic, anyone would do.

You guys have to justify that Robinson IS a good goalkeeper, not just a bit off form, or has lost a bit of confidence. He has been absolutely woeful for a long time now.

BUT NOBODY IS SAYING THAT!!!

Not one person has said ''We should sign Robinson just because Frieldel turned out okay and noone wanted him.''

People are putting together good arguments consisting of good points, yet garbage like your above post, which completely avoids anything that is being put forward.

Have to justify???!!!! How many England caps do you need to satisfy you personally den???

[BRFC1995]

HERO!

[Wild Irish Rover]

No Facts? Well the nearest we have to facts from our resident journo who would surely never lie to us is that Villa have bid 2.5m for Brad and Spurs would want 5m for Robinson. So when I was at school thats costing us 2.5m to end up with a gkeeper thats only half as good.

So if those are the facts now for the speculation... we go cap in hand and open discussions with spurs for Robinson when they look like losing their two best strikers and will be viewing both RSC and Bentley with greedy eyes. It's a House of Cards scenario, and one that can only be prevented by BRFC coming right out with a strongly worded statement that NO ONE will be allowed out of the exit door this summer and thats that! It might make January a bit messy but hopefully we would have steadied the ship and got enough points on the board to allow Ince to at least 'bed in' and certainly to find replacements of equal or better ability BEFORE we lose the originals. I can't imagine that BRFC will then be a happy ship but so effin what?

IN the absence of any actual NEWS today, I would ask all true Rovers fans to read the words of the drog (above) and acknowledge the absolute sense that he makes, before going all hysterical and shouting for the guvnor's nads to be nailed to the Nutall street fencing.

Just read, THINK and relax. Get hissy and hysterical when there is some ACTUAL NEWS.... not before.

Thanks again Thenodrog. The most sensible post in aeons.

[Parsonblue]

You could, but you haven't and you probably won't.

Exactly. So really it's the club's decision to get rid of Brad. If Brad was offered the same terms at Ewood I have no doubt he would stay. Clearly, Ince doesn't want to spend money on Brad when he can waste it on Robinson and his mate Fowler.

All this talk about it's Brad's decision is a smokescreen for 'we don't want to pay him what Villa are prepared to pay him'.

What a great way to treat a loyal club servant. We can't even be bothered to match the terms that Villa - supposedly one of our rivals for a European spot - are prepared to offer. Ince would rather buy an inferior 'keeper and then if it goes pear shaped he will no doubt scream about how Brad left of his own accord and it was nothing to do with him.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

I just wish people would give Ince a chance. If you can't be bothered to get behind the new manager, and be full of gloom and doom even before a ball has been kicked, then I for one hope you won't be there for the first home game of the season.

Support Rovers and the new management team, give them a chance. If you can't be bothered to, then stay at home next season.

Get a grip FFS!

I think people were ready to give Ince a chance but to be fair to the Rovers fans, we've seen our manager join a rival club (in terms of league position) with a dodgy chairman, our best player publicly wants to get the hell out of Ewood Park, our other best players are being linked to all our rival teams who are bettering their squad with our players whilst we've been linked with Robbie Fowler, Keith Andrews, a wolves right back, some Ecuadorian no ones ever heard of and to sum things up, our superman goalkeeper is about to join Aston Villa.

All this has happened when we were all expecting to build on this season.

I'm sure come the season we will ALL back Paul Ince and Blackburn Rovers but we need to know the direction he wants the club to go in and at the moment we've not had any positive things to be happy and supportive about.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

Oops a duplicate!

Please destroy!!!!!

[den]

BUT NOBODY IS SAYING THAT!!!

Not one person has said ''We should sign Robinson just because Frieldel turned out okay and noone wanted him.''

People are putting together good arguments consisting of good points, yet garbage like your above post, which completely avoids anything that is being put forward.

Have to justify???!!!! How many England caps do you need to satisfy you personally den???

He did play for England Shillitto. The word is "did". He doesn't any more. He doesn't play for Spurs any more. Spurs want rid of him because they don't think it's just a dip in form. They don't think they can get him back to being England's No 1.

He is a poor goalkeeper. He isn't as good as Brad. We don't have to sell Brad. It will cost us to weaken the goalkeepers position. We need that money spending on other positions. Can I clarify anything else?

[Hughesy]

HERO!

Things move on - get over it!

[S15]

Cracking that is Den. James ''didn't'' play for England any more.

So on your basis Robinson was good, but now isn't? So at the ripe old age of 27, all the talent he had had gone, and he is past it?

There have been far too many similar confidence crisis' in the history of goalkeepers for you to turn a blind eye to the fact that whether it's with us or someone else, Robinson will rediscover his form and reach old levels if not surpass them once he gets a fresh break.

[den]

Cracking that is Den. James ''didn't'' play for England any more.

So on your basis Robinson was good, but now isn't? So at the ripe old age of 27, all the talent he had had gone, and he is past it?

No, he never was very good.

[tony gale's mic]

Though some pathetic, moronic people on here seem reluctant to give Ince a chance (why is that again, because we chose him over the Danish bloke?), but selling a 37 year old keeper for £2.5m and replacing him with an England international 10 years his junior is BLOODY GOOD BUSNIESS. Especially as opposed to DOUBLING THE 37 YEAR OLDS WAGES TO A PERIOD BEYOND HIS CURRENT CONTRACT.

The mind boggles, but one or two people in particular need to get a grip.

Selling one of the top 3 keepers in the league last season who could probably do a very good job for the next two seasons, for an inferior model, AND paying 1.5 to 2 million for the privilege is NOT "bloody good business".

Our club needs continuity and stability at a time like this. If Hughes was around it mightnt have been such a big issue even, but with Hughes going, Friedel going and probably Bentley going, our successful team is suddenly being dismantled.

[The Gull]

HERO!

I'm sure we could find plenty of clips of both prooving how good they are or showing them making maistakes, they are keepers they will quickly go from hero to villain and it is very easy tp highlight that.

As a keeper who played to a decent level I will tell that when you are getting coached as a young keeper you get told the less you see of a ball the better as long as you concentrate and keep involved by being vocal, and if you look great then your defenders are not doing their job so you need to shout a little louder.

Maybe Brad was so good for Rovers as we defended so poor, and at Liverpool maybe he was less active and lost his concentration, he is a keeper that needs to be involved and he certainly has been at Rovers!

Maybe with the new defensive coach we will concede more goals as Brad will lose his concentration because our defenders are so good!!!!

Maybe I'm talking poo from a cow with horns, but thought it was my turn seen as so much rubbish has appeared on this board recently!

Football people are employed for football reasons to make football decisions. Let them, and see where it takes us, only time will tell, not the over reaction to stories on here who already have us relegated and playing against Ince's former teams within the next couple of years and being envious of our cousins down the road.

[S15]

I suspect your not actually going to put a case forward. Stop being the playground bitch and tell me why he was never any good. ''You guys'' are gonna have to put a case forward. Just how did he get all those caps. Just why did Spurs buy him?

[BRFC1995]

Things move on - get over it!

he's still playing at the highest level, there is no reason for things to move on. I may need councilling to get over it if he goes and anti-depressants if we pay real money for an inferior product!

[S15]

Selling one of the top 3 keepers in the league last season who could probably do a very good job for the next two seasons, for an inferior model, AND paying 1.5 to 2 million for the privilege is NOT "bloody good business".

Our club needs continuity and stability at a time like this. If Hughes was around it mightnt have been such a big issue even, but with Hughes going, Friedel going and probably Bentley going, our successful team is suddenly being dismantled.

You're ignoring the fact that doubling his wages and EXTENDING his contract would set us back far more than the difference for signing Robinson, who I'm sure would earn less than double of Friedels current deal.