[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[bluebruce]

The thinking is probably:

Brad- £2.5 million

Robinson- £4 million- (same wages as Brad now- hopefully!)

-£1.5 mill

However

we would have to pay Big Brad for THREE years, which would amount to an additional £20K a week for three years thats around £3 million too,

so essentially we could be £1.5 million BETTER off, with a younger International Keeper. Could be a blessing in disguise as I have said earlier.

Oh? Robinson won't take any wages?

[RibbleValleyRover]

He has 41 England caps and is not even 30, you seriously think that succesive England managers are that stupid to pick a woeful keeper 41 times?

Considering the competition they had no choice. He was the best of a bad bunch at the time.

[roverfanuk]

As someone mentioned, You are not taking into account the extra wages we would have to pay to keep brad here.

Cerny was awful and that was more of a statement by Ramos to try and encoruage Robinson. It didn't really work though.

My guess would be that Robinsons wages would be higher than Brads.

I say that we just chuck Brad a cool million, and extend his contract for a third year! :!:

[chocky]

Maybe all Robinson needs is a move to a club like Rovers...We have the knack of bringing the best out of a player..with the right coaching he could be a fine keeper. But I still want Brad to stay.

[alexanders]

Friedel's problem is the command inside the box. IMO we lost a fair bunch of points last season because of defensive corners and free-kicks. This might be due to Friedel's capacity in the box.

What's Robinson's special qualities?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Friedel's problem is the command inside the box. IMO we lost a fair bunch of points last season because of defensive corners and free-kicks. This might be due to Friedel's capacity in the box.

We didn't exactly have a stable and in form defense at times in front of him, we had the out of form Samba and the injured Nelsen.

And i'll raise another point that could have a huge bearing on our season.

We would be bringing in a seriously out of form/confidence keeper, at a time where there is huge instability at the club with a new man in charge, we could end up selling our best players and the league could be far more competitive this season as teams spend plenty of cash.

Are you sure this high pressure environment is good for Robinson and ultimately ourselves?

[Mozzer]

when david james was at man city-how would people say he performed??-for me in my opinion-thats where he won and lost his england place-mistakes for both club and country..

paul robinson-won his england place by playing for spurs and has lost it while playing for them-making mistakes for both club and country..

look what a change of club has done for david james-hes performing briliantly for portsmouth-has got his england place back-i think many people are quick to judge-paul robinson hasnt had a great year or two-playing in a dodgy spurs defence wouldnt of helped his confidence, and if ince feels hes the right player to be our number 1 i will back paul ince..

[Alex Rover]

Maybe all Robinson needs is a move to a club like Rovers...We have the knack of bringing the best out of a player..with the right coaching he could be a fine keeper. But I still want Brad to stay.

Can't argue with that.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Maybe all Robinson needs is a move to a club like Rovers...We have the knack of bringing the best out of a player..with the right coaching he could be a fine keeper.

We don't know if Ince or his coaching team has that ability. Hughes undoubtedly could get the best out of players and get players who were unknown or out of form to perform to their best.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

What's Robinson's special qualities?

He's very consistent and you can always count on him..........................................to screw up.

Only kidding.

[alexanders]

If i am right Brad did a mistake against Aston Villa as well. Defensive freekick. The first of 4 goals against.

Brad had a terrible game that night.

[The Rover of Finland]

Nicko, what´s the latest on Bentley?

[1864roverite]

I think I will wait until we hear from the Club in an OFFICIAL capacity.

If Brad wants more dosh then fair play to him.

If he thinks moving to Villa or City is a step up money aside, fair play to him.

He has to be one of the current Premiership players most loyal player.

He has worked miracles for BRFC and has also had nightmares.

If he goes then thanks Brad, you were good while it lasted. If Robinson is the replacement, then hey, we get an England keeper in and although he has been susecptible to mishaps before, he will be at BRFC, the club that repairs or enhances a footballers reputation and then sells him for a grand profit.

He will join a list of players that contains the likes of

le Saux

Sherwood

Shearer

Sutton

Duff

Dunn

May

Berg

Given

All bought relatively cheaply and ALL sold for big profits to "big" clubs.

[Sandiway Blue]

when david james was at man city-how would people say he performed??-for me in my opinion-thats where he won and lost his england place-mistakes for both club and country..

paul robinson-won his england place by playing for spurs and has lost it while playing for them-making mistakes for both club and country..

look what a change of club has done for david james-hes performing briliantly for portsmouth-has got his england place back-i think many people are quick to judge-paul robinson hasnt had a great year or two-playing in a dodgy spurs defence wouldnt of helped his confidence, and if ince feels hes the right player to be our number 1 i will back paul ince..

Exactly.

And to be honest how many Spurs defenders would we want at Ewood?(pre-woodgate)

I suspect the answer from most Rovers fans would be none.

[tony gale's mic]

when david james was at man city-how would people say he performed??-for me in my opinion-thats where he won and lost his england place-mistakes for both club and country..

paul robinson-won his england place by playing for spurs and has lost it while playing for them-making mistakes for both club and country..

look what a change of club has done for david james-hes performing briliantly for portsmouth-has got his england place back-i think many people are quick to judge-paul robinson hasnt had a great year or two-playing in a dodgy spurs defence wouldnt of helped his confidence, and if ince feels hes the right player to be our number 1 i will back paul ince..

I'm tired of these arguments.

David James and Paul Robinson are different people. Sure, there's a chance that Robinson will suddenly spring into life as an excellent keeper, but there's arguably a bigger chance that he won't, and he'll carry on making the error prone performances he did before. People remarked on David James' upturn in form because it was so unexpected - not because its the sort of thing that happens all the time.

[thenodrog]

And for the record, I hope we sell Friedel if it means getting cash and replacing him with Robinson.

I would do it even if the whole wage thing didn't exist and Friedel wanted to stay. It's called building for the future.

Indeed shillitoe. Does the division matter at all?

But I do know what you mean we should be making profit on our trading of players, it's just that this season I'm not sure that we will replace like for like and maintaining Prem status is the primary aim. Without it we will be history.

[BRFC1995]

Anyone actually believe robinson does'nt currently earn more than brad and would do any kind of deal that would result in him losing money?

There are more leagues than just the premier out there and there is no way robinson should be first choice simply because he's available, bottom line SPURS DON'T WANT HIM, KIND OF SAYS EVERYTHING!

you'd get hennessey from wolves for the same fee and lower wages and show more ambition, go for kuczcak or foster on season long from utd, pay decent money and try for pletikosa at spartak who impressed in euors for croatia, or the russian fella or even whoever is decent in scandinavia at the minute .....just please don't go for someone bang out of form for a big fee and big wages because the media tell you to.

or, don't rock the boat at all pay brad more and everyone goes home happy

[BomBom]

I'll be sad to see Brad leave but Robbo isnt that bad a replacement and Brown has looked promising in the fleeting moments we have seen him.

With the David James comparison, all points noted but to be fair, based on last season, Robbo might have been poor due to the Spuds back line but ours wasn't exactly stellar was it?

Nicko, Is the Robinson deal part of the Bentley one or are there separate deals? Also, you suggested there was another club in the hunt for him, any ideas?

[thenodrog]

I just wish people would give Ince a chance. If you can't be bothered to get behind the new manager, and be full of gloom and doom even before a ball has been kicked, then I for one hope you won't be there for the first home game of the season.

Support Rovers and the new management team, give them a chance. If you can't be bothered to, then stay at home next season.

Get a grip FFS!

In marketing are you?

[RevidgeBlue]

Brad does not WANT to leave, but he would be an idiot not to take this contract offer.

With respect that slant is somewhat different to the way in which you presented the saga originally.

You simply said that Brad did not want to leave, thereby creating the impression that Ince was forcing him out of the club against his will, and whipping up a great deal of ill feeling towards our new manager.

[incecticide]

What a quite memorable first post incecticide. You say Brad's losing his powers yet MoN, Hughes (and possibly even Arsene Wenger) obviously rate him big time and worth 2.5m + wages. You write well, you are obvously middle aged BUT you speak complete piffle. Why choose now to make your first post and why choose this subject?

I don't think he's as good as he was, but that's to be expected of a 37-year old. I'm not claiming to know more than Hughes, O'Neill, yourself or anyone else, just expressing my opinion. Both of the aforementioned managers have made errors of judgement in the past and this may prove to be another if Brad continues to deteriorate. Although I would prefer to see Brad stay, getting a goalkeeper of Robinson's quality and age in as his replacement will soften the blow, as in 3-4 years Brad will be a memory and Robinson could still be one of the best around.

Not looking for an argument, so I won't pick you up on the hugely evaluative "piffle" remark. However, I WILL argue another of your points - I'm 27! That doesn't count as middle aged!

[S15]

Indeed shillitoe. Does the division matter at all?

But I do know what you mean we should be making profit on our trading of players, it's just that this season I'm not sure that we will replace like for like and maintaining Prem status is the primary aim. Without it we will be history.

Sorry old chap, it seems the medicine has wore off and you've started imagining things again.

At which point did I say we should be profiting on our players? I'm saying sell the 37 year old keeper whilst he still has value yet replace him an England international for double the price.

Doesn't quite fit does it.

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Thats probably the most sense you've talked about Robinson today.

[roverfanuk]

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Agree completely, right up until the last bit.

Don't see what David Dunn eating more pork pies has to do with the goalkeeping situation?

[incecticide]

Are you sure this high pressure environment is good for Robinson and ultimately ourselves?

I wonder how much of a hig-pressure environment Brockhall is at the moment. The TV pictures (I know, put on a good show for the cameras, but still...) showed everyone all-smiles when Ince arrived. There's a new manager in, people are back from Butlins all refreshed and ready to train for a potentially exciting new season... I doubt many of them are reading this message board and sharing the doom and gloom mentality. After the awful football I watched for the majority of last season, I think Hughes' Rovers had gone stale and change could be the best thing for the team.