[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[thenodrog]

Not looking for an argument, so I won't pick you up on the hugely evaluative "piffle" remark. However, I WILL argue another of your points - I'm 27! That doesn't count as middle aged!

My mistake. I judged you as older because of the Frost Report greeting.

[Manchester Blue]

Considering the competition they had no choice. He was the best of a bad bunch at the time.

So for 5 years there wasn't one other goalkeeper who could be considered competent? We had to stick with a guy who is useless, poor and completely hopeless? Sorry but it simply doesn't stack up at all.

[Paul Mellelieu]

With respect that slant is somewhat different to the way in which you presented the saga originally.

You simply said that Brad did not want to leave, thereby creating the impression that Ince was forcing him out of the club against his will, and whipping up a great deal of ill feeling towards our new manager.

Indeed. Brad is leaving for the money, the Rovers can't match Villa's offer. As I said Lucas Neil did something similar and was Hughes slaughtered?

[incecticide]

My mistake. I judged you as older because of the Frost Report greeting.

Yeah the hello good evening and welcome thing... I didn't type that. I wrote something else but it was changed by some sort of clever internet filter thing, wasn't bad language so I assumed it was some sort of in-joke with which I'm not yet familiar.

[Hasta]

So for 5 years there wasn't one other goalkeeper who could be considered competent? We had to stick with a guy who is useless, poor and completely hopeless? Sorry but it simply doesn't stack up at all.

Robinson isnt useless, poor and completely hopeless. He's just not a top class goalkeeper. And yes, that means for years England have been without a top class goalkeeper.

[incecticide]

So for 5 years there wasn't one other goalkeeper who could be considered competent? We had to stick with a guy who is useless, poor and completely hopeless? Sorry but it simply doesn't stack up at all.

There was David James, but he was going through a bad patch. It was only when he moved to Pompey that he started playing well again after people had written him off, and he got back in the England team and proved a lot of doubters wrong. That's also the best argument I can think of for giving Robinson a chance to do the same.

[roverfanuk]

Maybe we should bring in someone like Kasper Schmeichel and give Jason Brown a chance if Friedel is leaving...?

[Commondore]

Has anyone actually seen Brown play for the reserves? Would be nice with some info from someone who actually know what he's been up to these two years...

[Eddie]

Indeed. Brad is leaving for the money, the Rovers can't match Villa's offer. As I said Lucas Neil did something similar and was Hughes slaughtered?

We COULD match it. We've offered other players that sum of money, but Friedel simply isn't worth 50k a week for three years. Fantastic keeper, but giving a 37 year old a 3 year contract for that length of time is stupid. Villa are making a huge mistake quite frankly.

Put our feelings for Friedel aside and we would be spitting blood if the roles were reversed, we'd also think that the other team was getting quite a good deal.

It's a shame to see him go, I think everyone loves the guy and he's been great for the club, but there's not much we can do about it. That said, I am a bit surprised that he's taking the money.

[incecticide]

Has anyone actually seen Brown play for the reserves? Would be nice with some info from someone who actually know what he's been up to these two years...

Not seen him, but his height is his great drawback for me. That said, anyone who's under 6 foot and can become a professional goalkeeper has to be a bloody good shot stopper. That said, if we're talking about Robinson struggling to reach the top corner, Brown has no chance. Only ever a backup as far as I'm concerned, but running up to the Krakow player who was spitting his dummy after the final whistle last season and doing the sssssssshhh gesture means his name will always raise a smile with me.

[tony gale's mic]

Everyone, lets replace Stevie Warnock with Phil Neville! He's got 58 more England caps after all...

[Parsonblue]

FRIEDEL WANTS TO LEAVE FOR MORE MONEY.

Friedel is leaving because if Nicko is correct then Aston Villa value one of the top three 'keepers in the Premier League more than we do. Still, we'll no doubt have Fowler and some nobody from MK Dons to cheer this season. Nicko, I think that gap you keep going on about could actually close this season!

[baxendenblue]

As I have said on another thread if we get money for Brad we have to take it, He will be going for the money, he could say no thanks to Villa and stop with us but i doubt it but when Lucas did this we called him a traitor! I would say thanks for the wonderful years Brad and all the very best and if it is Robinson then he will be our number 1 and I will be clapping him all the way to the Blackburn End and hope he will be our keeper for a very long time. Come on get behing Ince and whiever comes because they will be doing theor best for our cause.

Keep the faith.

[RevidgeBlue]

We COULD match it. We've offered other players that sum of money, but Friedel simply isn't worth 50k a week for three years. Fantastic keeper, but giving a 37 year old a 3 year contract for that length of time is stupid.

Blimey - I'm completely in agreement with Eddie.

I think it would be a superb bit of long term business for us IF Brad decides he wants to go and we manage to replace him at minimal outlay with 28 year old Robinson.

[Commondore]

Not seen him, but his height is his great drawback for me. That said, anyone who's under 6 foot and can become a professional goalkeeper has to be a bloody good shot stopper. That said, if we're talking about Robinson struggling to reach the top corner, Brown has no chance. Only ever a backup as far as I'm concerned, but running up to the Krakow player who was spitting his dummy after the final whistle last season and doing the sssssssshhh gesture means his name will always raise a smile with me.

Don't remember that particular game, was it during one of the UEFA-cup campaigns of a pre-season friendly?

If it was in the UEFA-cup, Hughes must have had some belief in him after all.

[incecticide]

Don't remember that particular game, was it during one of the UEFA-cup campaigns of a pre-season friendly?

If it was in the UEFA-cup, Hughes must have had some belief in him after all.

UEFA groups when Bentley scored a last minute winner. It all happened at the side of the pitch at the end of the game in Poland, Brown had been on the bench and got involved in what can only be described as a kerfuffle. It was the same player that was accused of racially abusing Benni Mac. Was it Legia Warsaw we were playing? Was it the season before last? My memory is failing me...

[S15]

Blimey - I'm completely in agreement with Eddie.

I think it would be a superb bit of long term business for us IF Brad decides he wants to go and we manage to replace him at minimal outlay with 28 year old Robinson.

ssssshhhhhhhhhhhh.

Ince out!!!!!!

[hawkiiz]

good grief.

just make up a poll already!

some hate rovers for not paying brad what he can get at villa. some hate robinson, and every other keeper around except maybe cech. some think we should cash in on an ageing brad.

will we all ever agree?

so nicko!

any news on the others? anyone closer to being in or out? what about a takeover?

anyway. i cant see there being done any deals just yet if LET is right, ince dont even know how much he can spend yet. lets chill it and see how we do agains Mac tomorrow, eh?

[PAFELL]

As I have said on another thread if we get money for Brad we have to take it, He will be going for the money, he could say no thanks to Villa and stop with us but i doubt it but when Lucas did this we called him a traitor! I would say thanks for the wonderful years Brad and all the very best and if it is Robinson then he will be our number 1 and I will be clapping him all the way to the Blackburn End and hope he will be our keeper for a very long time. Come on get behing Ince and whiever comes because they will be doing theor best for our cause.

Keep the faith.

I think that people on here are forgetting something - Friedel has not and does not want to move - neither Ince nor JW want him to go. But Brad Friedel has also said that he loves Rovers - has anyone considered that even in this situation Brad Friedel is still doing his best for the club.

He knows money is tight at Rovers - Ince needs money for the rebuilding or adding to the squad - Friedel also 'may' have doubts as to wether he has 3 years left in him - therefore he is 'allowing' himself to be transfered. It is not about money for himself - but by allowing himself to be transfered he believes he will be helping Rovers and yes gaining something himself.

Can Rovers supporters deny Brad Friedel this 'last' opportunity for himself - money comes to Rovers - Rovers get the chance to get a younger keeper to replace Friedel. Lets be honest if Brad Friedel is at Rovers in 3 years time, every single club would put a higher price on their keeper knowing rovers are need and will be desperate to replace theirs.

I therefore think it is possible Brad Friedel is allowing himself to be transfered to benefit Rovers.

[gumboots]

I think that people on here are forgetting something - Friedel has not and does not want to move - neither Ince nor JW want him to go. But Brad Friedel has also said that he loves Rovers - has anyone considered that even in this situation Brad Friedel is still doing his best for the club.

He knows money is tight at Rovers - Ince needs money for the rebuilding or adding to the squad - Friedel also 'may' have doubts as to wether he has 3 years left in him - therefore he is 'allowing' himself to be transfered. It is not about money for himself - but by allowing himself to be transfered he believes he will be helping Rovers and yes gaining something himself.

Can Rovers supporters deny Brad Friedel this 'last' opportunity for himself - money comes to Rovers - Rovers get the chance to get a younger keeper to replace Friedel. Lets be honest if Brad Friedel is at Rovers in 3 years time, every single club would put a higher price on their keeper knowing rovers are need and will be desperate to replace theirs.

I therefore think it is possible Brad Friedel is allowing himself to be transfered to benefit Rovers.

No player loves a club that much!

[67splitscreen]

I think that people on here are forgetting something - Friedel has not and does not want to move - neither Ince nor JW want him to go. But Brad Friedel has also said that he loves Rovers - has anyone considered that even in this situation Brad Friedel is still doing his best for the club.

He knows money is tight at Rovers - Ince needs money for the rebuilding or adding to the squad - Friedel also 'may' have doubts as to wether he has 3 years left in him - therefore he is 'allowing' himself to be transfered. It is not about money for himself - but by allowing himself to be transfered he believes he will be helping Rovers and yes gaining something himself.

Can Rovers supporters deny Brad Friedel this 'last' opportunity for himself - money comes to Rovers - Rovers get the chance to get a younger keeper to replace Friedel. Lets be honest if Brad Friedel is at Rovers in 3 years time, every single club would put a higher price on their keeper knowing rovers are need and will be desperate to replace theirs.

I therefore think it is possible Brad Friedel is allowing himself to be transfered to benefit Rovers.

Sort of self sacrifice, to better the cause.

I can go with that.

It's just the timing, with all the other speculation still to be resolved, that bothers me.

Now is not the time, to be removing the foundations, before the first floor is built.

[Majiball]

I'll be sad to see Brad leave but Robbo isnt that bad a replacement and Brown has looked promising in the fleeting moments we have seen him.

With the David James comparison, all points noted but to be fair, based on last season, Robbo might have been poor due to the Spuds back line but ours wasn't exactly stellar was it?

Nicko, Is the Robinson deal part of the Bentley one or are there separate deals? Also, you suggested there was another club in the hunt for him, any ideas?

Welcome to the forum BomBom, don't worry I won't tell HDM.

We COULD match it. We've offered other players that sum of money, but Friedel simply isn't worth 50k a week for three years. Fantastic keeper, but giving a 37 year old a 3 year contract for that length of time is stupid. Villa are making a huge mistake quite frankly.

Put our feelings for Friedel aside and we would be spitting blood if the roles were reversed, we'd also think that the other team was getting quite a good deal.

It's a shame to see him go, I think everyone loves the guy and he's been great for the club, but there's not much we can do about it. That said, I am a bit surprised that he's taking the money.

I do not want to see Brad leave but who's to say it would take us matching the offer to keep him maybe a small pay rise, extra bonus or something would do it, we seem to be doing little to keep him.

At the end of the day none of us would turn it down 8M over 3 years compared to 4M over 2 you'd take it too!

[Blue n White Rover]

Sick and tired of some people on this board.

Those that are criticising the whole Friedel & Robinson debate, just answer a few questions for me.

What do we do in 2/3 years time when Brad hangs up his gloves? (dont reply with "find a better keeper than robinson" because what if we can't, will you have a go at Ince saying you should've gone for Robinson 2/3 years back?)

Would you rather have a 27yr old keeper who has been proven in the premiership, and played for England (so cant be sh!t) and play with us for a good 10 more years or a Brad Friedel thats going to perform at his best for another 2years max?

Its time to let the Big American leave, he's given us some wonderful times and im sure we've done the same for Brad. Brad wants Big final pay day and after all them times he's made us happy do you fans actually want to deny him that?

No matter how much he goes for and no matter when he leaves the fact is Brad gave 110% at each game. Whenever that final whistle blew no matter how crap our performance was he was always there to applaud us fans. At the start and end of every game at Ewood the first and last chant we would hear is " Friedel Friedel".

Brad may go but no one will ever replace the love us rovers fans had for him! Maybe a new keeper will come upon us but the fact is when he has that Rovers badge on his shirt and wears it with pride, I and hopefully most Rovers fans will back him just as we did with Brad. Hopefully in 10 years time Robinson will be up there with the likes of Friedel.

As long as they're are a Rovers player I shall back him, just like I'll back Ince.

Up the Rovers!!

[modes98]

Anyone actually believe robinson does'nt currently earn more than brad and would do any kind of deal that would result in him losing money?

you'd get hennessey from wolves for the same fee and lower wages and show more ambition, go for kuczcak or foster on season long from utd, pay decent money and try for pletikosa at spartak who impressed in euors for croatia, or the russian fella or even whoever is decent in scandinavia at the minute .....just please don't go for someone bang out of form for a big fee and big wages because the media tell you to.

If Robinson wants a first team chance then he would have to consider taking a pay cut or sit on the bench at spurs. Teams aren't lining up for him.

Hennessey is improving but it would be a massive gamble to bring him in as your number 1 at 21, with 1 season under his belt at championship level and he wouldn't be cheap as his contract runs to 2012.

Kusack is very average, he found his level at WBA and has never done anything to show he's going to improve at Man Utd. Can Der Saar makes plenty of mistakes and Kusack just doesn't seem to be pressuring him for the first team shirt.

Foster is a big talent but has just had a very bad injury that ends careers and who's to say he will continue to improve and whilst on the subject of errors, he was lobbed from about 90 yards by a Robinson free kick!

The problem with the "russian fella" is he plays in the CL currently.

Pletikosa is a good shout but i would assume he plays in europe as well.

I don't know who's big in Scandinava at the moment but the last few to test themselves in the premiership havne't been successful.

You can't honestly believe that Ince would let the media make his mind up over who to buy surely! Ince makes the decision and then the media pick up on it. As i said before it's probably no co-incidence that Eric Steele knows Robinson very well.

[BomBom]

Welcome to the forum BomBom, don't worry I won't tell HDM.

LOL, whos HDM?