[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[Hasta]

If anyone seriously believes that Paul Robinson has been a better goalkeeper than Brad Friedel over the last few years then in my opinion their football knowledge is miniscule.

If we had Robbo in goal instead of Friedel we would have conceded more and had less points.

Next season if we have Robinson I'd love to start a 'would Brad have stopped that' thread. The number of 25 yarders that will be flying in will be amazing. Go look at Tugays wonder strike against Tottenham at Ewood a couple of seasons ago. Great strike but I remember at the time saying why the hell is Robinson 8 yards out.

[Ricky]

There you go Den lol ;o)

There's the figures to back up the fact that Robinson isn't a bad keeper at all.

[Majiball]

Year  Robinson  Brad
07/08   13       13
06/07   21       17
05/06   20       19
04/05   19       18

and 07/08 Robinson only played 25 league games.

Nice find, completely shocked TBH, would have expected brad to have at least one season above him! Perhaps there's a positive after all!

[PLZ Blue]

Nicko

Not sure if anyone else has already asked this, but Tribal Football (the ever reliable) are reporting that Ince wants Joaquin as replacement for Bentley.

Is there even a smidgen of truth in this?

[rebelmswar]

Nicko

Not sure if anyone else has already asked this, but Tribal Football (the ever reliable) are reporting that Ince wants Joaquin as replacement for Bentley.

Is there even a smidgen of truth in this?

That Bentley will require a replacement.

[nicko]

Nicko

Not sure if anyone else has already asked this, but Tribal Football (the ever reliable) are reporting that Ince wants Joaquin as replacement for Bentley.

Is there even a smidgen of truth in this?

It's a day-old story - I think he would be too dear.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Those figures, presented alone like that, have pretty much no value when judging who's the better goalkeeper. Its like saying having a return on your investment of 10k is better than having a retrun on 8k with no more information given.

Agreed

I'm sure you will find stats to show a keeper in the lower divisons or weaker leagues that has more clean sheets than Brad or Robinson. Does that make them a better keeper?

If you have actually watched football over the years, there is no doubt that Friedel is the better keeper.

And if people claim that we are biased in our views because he plays for Rovers, i would be interested to see what the neutral fans who have watched a lot of football think. I'm pretty sure who the general concensus would rather have.

[Ricky]

I'm sure you will find stats to show a keeper in the lower divisons or weaker leagues that has more clean sheets than Brad or Robinson. Does that make them a better keeper?

Yeah but the point is that the two players are playing in the same league so are therefore playing against the same oposition. They're not playing in different leagues.

I'd also argue that over the last 3-4 seasons our back 4 has been equal to, if not better than Spurs.

[socngill]

Agreed

I'm sure you will find stats to show a keeper in the lower divisons or weaker leagues that has more clean sheets than Brad or Robinson. Does that make them a better keeper?

If you have actually watched football over the years, there is no doubt that Friedel is the better keeper.

And if people claim that we are biased in our views because he plays for Rovers, i would be interested to see what the neutral fans who have watched a lot of football think. I'm pretty sure who the general concensus would rather have.

No it doesn't make them a better keeper as it's a lower league? That's a stupid comparison.

we consider ourselves to have a very good defence - "don't let Nelsen go" "we don't need a RB we have Emerton" "Warnock for England" and so on so how can you then say that those figurs don't suggest that Robinson is as good as Brad? Spurs defence is pretty sub standard and I don't think any of them would get into the rovers defence so that would suggest that those stats tell us that Robinson is as good a, if not better than Brad.

Some people just wont accept that Brad is going and the best replacement we can get is a 40 cap England number 1 - oh no how terrible.

[Hughesy]

During the worst period of his career, he had more clean sheets than Brad. We were on a par with Spurs over this period.

I didn't expect those figures. His reputation has been ruined by the media.

You have just realised? The media in this country wreck what they want. Ronaldo wouldnt even be considering Real Madrid if it wasnt for the media run every single day on him. The media either hype a player up or batter him to pieces.

Yeah but the point is that the two players are playing in the same league so are therefore playing against the same oposition. They're not playing in different leagues.

I'd also argue that over the last 3-4 seasons our back 4 has been equal to, if not better than Spurs.

Exactly what i was about to say. The league is the same, our teams have been similar, with us probably having the better defence and more stability, yet Robinson keeps more clean sheets - its a FACT. Its there in black and white for you to see.

[Ricky]

I hate agreeing with you Hughesy, I'm not used to it lol.

[Manchester Blue]

Agreed

I'm sure you will find stats to show a keeper in the lower divisons or weaker leagues that has more clean sheets than Brad or Robinson. Does that make them a better keeper?

If you have actually watched football over the years, there is no doubt that Friedel is the better keeper.

And if people claim that we are biased in our views because he plays for Rovers, i would be interested to see what the neutral fans who have watched a lot of football think. I'm pretty sure who the general concensus would rather have.

Interesting you say that because I've asked several fans of other clubs as i;m always interested in a neutral perspective. Every single one to a man has suggested £2.5m or more for a 37 year old keeper is outstanding and also that Robinson is clearly a good keeper just lacking in confidence and maybe a change of clubs is just what is required.

I agree that using stats for keepers is pretty much pointless, to be honest you can make that argument for any position. Ultimately you can play great stuff but if your teammates let you down your stats will suffer.

[T4E]

Year  Robinson  Brad
07/08   13       13
06/07   21       17
05/06   20       19
04/05   19       18

Bit of an eye opener that one, eh?

Out of interest, where have you got the info from?

[RibbleValleyRover]

If Robinson statistically has more clean sheets than Friedel who is considered up there with the likes of Cech and Van der Sar, then why are Spurs letting him go? Why have England disgarded him?

Stats don't always tell the true story

[Paul]

Interesting you say that because I've asked several fans of other clubs as i;m always interested in a neutral perspective. Every single one to a man has suggested £2.5m or more for a 37 year old keeper is outstanding and also that Robinson is clearly a good keeper just lacking in confidence and maybe a change of clubs is just what is required.

Exactly

[incecticide]

Because he is an inferior keeper than we currently have.

Even if that is true, Brad won't continue to play at the same level for long. The closer he gets to 40, the more likely he is to make the sort of mistakes we saw in his last appearance for the club. I see this as a good deal long term, take Robinson before someone else does.

[incecticide]

If anyone seriously believes that Paul Robinson has been a better goalkeeper than Brad Friedel over the last few years then in my opinion their football knowledge is miniscule.

The last few years are surely irrelevant, we should be preparing for the next few, which is what Ince is doing with this move.

[Blue n White Rover]

Bit of an eye opener that one, eh?

Out of interest, where have you got the info from?

Hopefully not Wiki!

[rebelmswar]

If Robinson statistically has more clean sheets than Friedel who is considered up there with the likes of Cech and Van der Sar, then why are Spurs letting him go? Why have England disgarded him?

Stats don't always tell the true story

I think one "oh bugger" erases ten "great jobs".

People know that he is a good keeper and that if Brad wasn't so popular or so bloody good there would be a lot less moaning.

Brad has been (and hopefully) and will continue to be a great ambassador for Blackburn. His long term goals and aspirations are very level headed and impressive.

The problem is that he has done so well for so long that lots of Blackburn supporters will feel strange looking at our goal without him in it.

[Blue n White Rover]

If Robinson statistically has more clean sheets than Friedel who is considered up there with the likes of Cech and Van der Sar, then why are Spurs letting him go? Why have England disgarded him?

Stats don't always tell the true story

But Stats is the thing that matters. We played terrible against Newcastle we were outplayed. However, we won the game and came out with 3 undeserved points. Do you care? NO. As long as Robinson keeps jis clean sheets we're all happy!

[den]

There you go Den lol ;o)

There's the figures to back up the fact that Robinson isn't a bad keeper at all.

Yeah, but we would have to know how many shots they both saved. I mean, I bet Spurs had less shots on target against them, than we did. I bet Brad saved a higher %age of shots than Robbo. - and I bet that most of the shots against Spurs were weak miserable efforts.

Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Nicko, are we still interested in Steven Davis?

[T4E]

As long as Robinson keeps jis clean sheets we're all happy!

All except Mrs Robinson......

[T4E]

Nicko, are we still interested in Steven Davis?

Good player - and he can take a corner.

[incecticide]

Yeah, but we would have to know how many shots they both saved. I mean, I bet Spurs had less shots on target against them, than we did. I bet Brad saved a higher %age of shots than Robbo. - and I bet that most of the shots against Spurs were weak miserable efforts.

Put that in yer pipe and smoke it.

I'd like to see how many of those saves ended up safely round the post for a corner rather than parried out into the 6-yard box, which is a worrying habit Friedel has used to make my hair gradually fall out for a few years now.

First choice I'd like Brad to stay, but I think that'd be heart ruling head. We've had his best years, let the younger man come in and let Villa worry about Friedel's decline.