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I had persuaded myself to get positive about Ince.

Now I just want JW to tell him we are no longer interested.

I'd rather have Laudrup with an exit clause than Ince now.

I agree with that. I had just got used to the expected appointment of Ince - but if he cannot be bothered to turn up for this qualification thing (unless there is a genuine reason) then I'd rather he'd not bother to turn up at Ewood Park. If JW does not know that Ince didn't turn up in wales - he should made be aware of it.

It would also be good to have Billic as the manager - but I believe the chance of that happening is very slim. He would want to continue being the manager of Croata - Rovers would not allow him to do both jobs - unless Billic could encourage some of the Croataion team to come to Rovers cut price.

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Memo to Shearer, Martinez, O'Leary, Advocaat, Grant, McClaren, Allardyce, ten Cate, whoever:

Please don't leave Ooijer one-on-one with Arshavin.

Thank you.

Depends who Oojer is playing for - he also wants to leave Rovers!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm pretty sure JW will have figured out when he asked ''Hey Incey, erm, I mean Guv'nor, how did the coaching 'ting in Wales go down?''

I suspect the Guv then told him in no uncertain terms that aint no guvnor going to no coaching biz in f*****g Wales.

Mon.

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Memo to Shearer, Martinez, O'Leary, Advocaat, Grant, McClaren, Allardyce, ten Cate, whoever:

Please don't leave Ooijer one-on-one with Arshavin.

Thank you.

I dont think that Ooijer did much wrong... I was more concerned about Van Bronkhurst and the other defender being so slow and not being aware of the Russian who scored the second goal.

Okay, maybe the third goal was a bit of an easy dropped shoulder against Andre though.

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I dont think that Ooijer did much wrong... I was more concerned about Van Bronkhurst and the other defender being so slow and not being aware of the Russian who scored the second goal.

Okay, maybe the third goal was a bit of an easy dropped shoulder against Andre though.

Agreed :!:

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Nicko, have we actually done a proper interview with Ince or has it just been a sounding out to see if he was interested in the job?

I can understand why the club have gone all out to get the agreement of the Premier League to find a loophole with regard to coaching but I am at a loss as to what appears to have happened since. Getting the agreement in advance prevents us being left with egg on our face if we appoint him and then find we can't get round the coaching qualification.

However, what I don't understand is what is happening now. From what you have been led to believe MK Dons will allow us to speak to him if we offer him the job but won't allow us to speak to him if it is just to interview him without a gurantee of a job.

Would I be right in thinking that because we haven't appointed him yet there are those at the club who have serious reservations about him?

If that is so are there any serious alternatives in play?

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This is turning into a farce.

If the Board decided Ince was the best candidate they should appoint him. The article written by Lewis should be completely irrelevant. Is this the same Board that has to make the appointment they feel fit regardless of the fans' views?

Ditto the coaching badges. Don't know the reason for him (allegedly) not attending in Wales but it seems rather fortuitously in the circumstances the Premier League have given him two years to get them.

Get him appointed. If not why go through the procedure of obtaining dispensation?

We can't be far off Shearer turning us down, BFS turning us down, WWB taking a job in Holland instead, Laudrup not being interested, Ince losing patience with us and we've not even any idea whether Bilic is interested.

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This is turning into a farce.

If the Board decided Ince was the best candidate they should appoint him. The article written by Lewis should be completely irrelevant. Is this the same Board that has to make the appointment they feel fit regardless of the fans' views?

Ditto the coaching badges. Don't know the reason for him (allegedly) not attending in Wales but it seems rather fortuitously in the circumstances the Premier League have given him two years to get them.

Get him appointed. If not why go through the procedure of obtaining dispensation?

We can't be far off Shearer turning us down, BFS turning us down, WWB taking a job in Holland instead, Laudrup not being interested, Ince losing patience with us and we've not even any idea whether Bilic is interested.

If there are elements at the club who have reservations about Ince there is little point in appointing him. There is clearly some issue that's causing a problem otherwise I feel sure he would have been appointed by now.

Personally, I don't mind how long it takes as long as we get the right man and everyone can be united behind him. The delay would suggest that not everyone at Ewood is totally convinced about Ince.

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Personally think that Ince will be appointed on Monday. John Williams said that any appointment will not be confirmed until Monday, to me it just seems that they are going through the final stages of appointing Ince. I fully expect him to be named on Monday, this is too far down the road for any other outcome, that is the reason that BFS and McClaren took themselves out of the running.

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I've heard something that is too late to make the papers but needs to be told.

You can make up your own minds on this. I know what I think.

Paul Ince - as you will recall - was told to get his coaching badges moving, He was invited to an FA of Wales course last Wednesday...

And did not turn up!

If that is his idea of making an effort I am not sure.

I don't know if Rovers are aware of that.

They should be.

They probably are now.

Its just struck me how serious this probably is if it is true.

My understanding was that Ince had to trek over to the Aberystwyth course to audit it to show willing about getting his badges. On that basis the Rovers persuaded the Leage Managers' Association to back his appointment. With that agreement in the bag, John Williams wrote to his 19 fellow-Chairmen to solicit their promise not to enforce their own rules when they next meet in September and let Ince be considered for the Rovers' job. Without doubt JW had to refer to the LMA Agreement and the fact that was given in part because Ince was on the course. For all we know, JW himself might have had to vouch for Ince's seriousness in getting qualified.

I don't think what I have just suggested is going far from the truth in which case by not turning up to audit the course, Ince has told JW that he Ince doesn't care in the least that our Chairman was giving an undertaking in writing which Ince's own actions had rendered worthless and, frankly, disgraced.

At this point Rovers either swallow humble pie and write to the 19 Chairmen again with a "sorry he didn't make it but he still pledges to do it within the time permitted- please don't change your minds about him", or move on.

For Ince, it would also completely close the door to employment in the top division before he has completed his courses in full.

Ince is dead meat now.

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At this point Rovers either swallow humble pie and write to the 19 Chairmen again with a "sorry he didn't make it but he still pledges to do it within the time permitted- please don't change your minds about him", or move on.

The Premier League have already agreed to give him two years to complete his badges have they not?

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Possibly true. So why go down the special dispensation route, leading Allardyce to withdraw and WWB to take another job?

Rev, I can only assume that at one point everyone was agreed that Ince was a suitable candidate if the coaching problems could be solved. Once the Premier League agreed to allow Ince to slip through a loophole, I assume the Rovers have now approached MK Dons for permission to interview him. From what Nicko has said it would appear that MK Dons are happy for him to come and take the job at Ewood but not to come just for an interview. The fact that he has not been appointed is why I assume that some at Ewood are reluctant to give that guarantee.

Is it the way the media have pushed Ince in the past few days? Is it the fact that he apparently didn't turn up to watch a coaching course? Is there another candidate who has turned heads?

Of course, I may be totally wrong and it may be that the club have Ince lined up to take over on Monday and are just taking their own sweet time over things. Let's be honest - it wouldn't be the Rovers if things went smoothly!

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Possibly true. So why go down the special dispensation route, leading Allardyce to withdraw and WWB to take another job?

Allardyce withdrawing must be a red herring Rev. He was just trying to save face, if Rovers offered him the job I'm sure he'd jump at it.

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Allardyce withdrawing must be a red herring Rev. He was just trying to save face, if Rovers offered him the job I'm sure he'd jump at it.

Agreed wiggy, my point being is that we must have given BFS and WWB the clear impression Ince had got it.

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