[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[philipl]

That's old news Brownie cribbed straight from this thread- Ray Mathias called up Roque's agent.

Which is also more than a bit of an iffy thing to do before any contracts have been signed.

[nicko]

By the way, I think Ince WILL be appointed.

But one or two people need to have a good look at themselves over this.

An awful lot needs explaining about this process.

[my_name_is_Earl]

Can anybody on here tell me if this is the normal situation in which a manager is appointed. Without sounding stupid, I've previously had to rely on obvious media sources for managerial information. However, I was wondering if this merry-go-round was actually 'the norm', specifically Rovers norm in what happens before an appointment?

[RevidgeBlue]

Does this in tomorrows Express put the saga to an end ??

God, I hope so.

Philip having to consume liberal lashings of humble pie for referring to our new manager as "dead meat" would just be an added bonus.

Incidentally, if the Express article is correct, Ince is bang on the money in targeting RSC as his priority.

[philipl]

Uniquely, the ownership of Rovers is a bunch of lawyers.

The Trust for sure will want to look at what JW said to every one of the 19 Chairmen and the LMA to see if Ince not going on that course gives them wriggle room to say NO.

We are talking a £4.5m contract here and you don't sign those sorts of things knowing one of the clauses is untrue.

There is also the inter-personal thing.

If Ince LIED to JW about attending that course in order to get the contract, then surely he is dead meat.

[nicko]

God, I hope so.

Philip having to consume liberal lashings of humble pie for referring to our new manager as "dead meat" would just be an added bonus.

Incidentally, if the Express article is correct, Ince is bang on the money in targeting RSC as his priority.

The Express story is a tired re-hash of old info and stuff that has been on here.

I wouldn't feel any better for reading that re-gurgitation.

The hard news and the surprise revelation have been here...

And will no doubt be in Monday's Express too!

[nicko]

Mind you, didn't that guy with The Apprentice after lying about his qualifications?

Makes you think.

[Brownie]

That's old news Brownie cribbed straight from this thread- Ray Mathias called up Roque's agent.

Which is also more than a bit of an iffy thing to do before any contracts have been signed.

Missed that then earlier !

Had to actually run the pub today with the missus having the weekend back home in Latvia !

Cant wait till this is over so I can stop badgering Nicko and running up and down the pub stairs checking the Betfair odds !

[toonfan]

That is a rip-off of information on here last night...tell me different.

i'm also pretty sure ruud gullit is black

[Brownie]

i'm also pretty sure ruud gullit is black

And so is Jean Tigana

[LeChuck]

Difference being Scolari was always Abramovich's number one choice, and he even managed to land him in the middle of a major championship.

Why did they approach Ancelotti first then? I'm sure he was first choice, then Scolari.

[RevidgeBlue]

Why did they approach Ancelotti first then? I'm sure he was first choice, then Scolari.

I think nicko said Scolari was always RA's choice whereas his minions were pulling in different directions.

[toonfan]

And so is Jean Tigana

true.

[Brownie]

Bilic and Laudrup are both 14-1 on Betfair at the moment which I think says it all - well maybe.

[Presty On Tour]

i think the colour issue is complete nonsense. It doesn't matter what race or religion he is, it's all about the best guy for the job. Just think if we had appointed Alan Shearer, we would of had the first orange manager in the PL!

[philipl]

By the way, I think Ince WILL be appointed.

But one or two people need to have a good look at themselves over this.

An awful lot needs explaining about this process.

If Ince is appointed, we all know the press headlines will be about him not turning up on the FAW course and hoodwinking the Rovers, the LMA and the Premier League chairmen.

The other thing to bear in mind, at the moment the guy presumably is in interview mode/best behaviour. What he would be like with his fat contract and feet under the desk at our club which his mate Lewis in the Mirror clearly indicates he still despises I shudder to think.

I think the head to head vote in which he managed to get a princely 13% shows that Rovers supporters have got the measure of the guy.

[Jan]

God, I hope so.

Philip having to consume liberal lashings of humble pie for referring to our new manager as "dead meat" would just be an added bonus.

Incidentally, if the Express article is correct, Ince is bang on the money in targeting RSC as his priority.

I had warmed to Ince as manager. By no means close to being first choice, but ok. However, unless he has a cast iron reason for not attending the course we MUST walk away. It seems he has shown complete disregard for the rules around the Premier League. Further, if there is no good reason for his non-attendance, he has spat in the face of Rovers, who went out of their way to get the dispensation.

Rev seems to like him because he is English. (I suspect the fact that it will 1- give the club liberal credentials and 2- upset a number of the rather colour-challenged locals, also helps) If there is no good reason for his non-attendance, then I think is is safe to say that Ince is showing himself to be the worst kind of English- a chav who thinks rules don't apply to him. In that situation, I would hope we show him that they do. I despise Fat Sam, but at least he has attended the courses- he's not arrogant enough to think he doesn't need to- and I don't think had arrangements made for him to go and then didn't turn up.

John Williams will be forever tarnished if he lets this person manage the club without making sure there was a cast iron reason for him being unable to attend the course. If there isn't- bin him and start again.

[BlueMonday]

If Ince is appointed, we all know the press headlines will be about him not turning up on the FAW course and hoodwinking the Rovers, the LMA and the Premier League chairmen.

The other thing to bear in mind, at the moment the guy presumably is in interview mode/best behaviour. What he would be like with his fat contract and feet under the desk at our club which his mate Lewis in the Mirror clearly indicates he still despises I shudder to think.

I think the head to head vote in which he managed to get a princely 13% shows that Rovers supporters have got the measure of the guy.

If this guy gets the job, he's going to wipe his feet good and proper on the boardroom carpet when he leaves.

Its like selling a prized classic car to some shifty geezer in a sheepskin coat. you know he doesn't appreciate it for the motoring history, will probably drive it as a run-a-round and sell it on as soon as he can.

Lets hope we have some one else lined up.

[philipl]

First and foremost there is no 'allegedly' in what I told you about Ince NOT going to the course. There is Hell on among the FA of Wales people who feel slighted and used.

I pointed out he was being rushed into this attendance as a sign of his willingness to go for coaching badges.

He didn't go.

I can't put into words how shabby that is.

IF Rovers know this they have been let down and this may explain the delay.

IF Rovers don't know they do now...and have to get an answer.

It would be some unveiling if the questions fly in about why Ince has been appointed despite a lack of coaching badges or even turning up for a course just to watch.

I thought this was a strange old search for a new manager...it just got stranger.

This is how nicko is describing the situation.

"shabby" doesn't suggest Ince had a cold or a puncture or got lost at Devil's Bridge...

[dj54nna]

"shabby" doesn't suggest Ince had a cold or a puncture or got lost at Devil's Bridge...

Seems to me that he thinks he just deserves things without earning them. If you really want something, surely you do whatever you can to make sure there's no problem in getting it?

Unless your MASSIVE EGO says otherwise...

[philipl]

My bed time but Nicko mentioned another Ince problem- Rovers have asked MK Dons for permission to talk with Ince and Winckelman has said no.

With the current cloud over Ince, the Rovers can hardly move straight to offering the appointment and must seek explanations first, but they are not even going to be able to look the man in the eye over the FAW course audit.

[daren]

I have to say that phlip's point is good, but is based on one assumption that we can't verify - the JW backed this appointment with a promise that Ince would attend the course. If that's not true, then some of the speculation isn't valid.

I'm in the anti-Ince camp (not just Ince for manager, his attitude has always been a problem for me even when he was a player), as full disclosure on the following rant, but:

If he couldn't attend the camp for any reason at all, it would have been simply right to contact the club and tell them, never mind contacting the FAW. If he didn't do this, I cannot imagine that they'd be happy at all. There is really no excuse, it's a 2 minute phone call.

And lastly, where did this £4.5million over 3 years figure come out of? If it's true the board need to be whipped from one end of England to the other. He should get nowhere near that until results prove he deserves it. I mean that 1.5 million a year for a manger with no qualifications and minimal experience. Pay him a tenth of that and put a figure on final placement in the damn league, if you must, but if this is the "cheap option" for a manager we may as well spend it on someone with SOME kind of track record at a decent level. You cannot tell me that he's getting paid anywhere near that at the Dons, or was getting any significant fraction of it at Maccelsfield, and irrelevant to Rovers level, he should be licking the mud off boots to get what is basically a three division promotion and a chance to make a name for himself as a top manager. Hell, he should nearly be paying Rovers when I put it like that.

[thenodrog]

Earlier today someone wanted to lay £25000 on Ince not becoming Rovers boss.

Darren gobshite Lewis no doubt! One shameful scam of a story and he's minted.

[John]

Its pretty obvious that Ince is going to use us. He is a fool who never had respect for us before.

His comments about a plan are just shyte - if you read what he said, it was so fake and generic, I dont bye that, considering the comments he said about us in the past.

Hopefully, our former manager and coaching staff have a word in JW ear......

ps - Mark Hughes does not like Ince.........

[thenodrog]

If Ince were to fall through, for whatever reason, and mystery candidate no. two (say it's Bilic) turns out not to be interested, where do we go from there?

Down on our bloody knees in thanks to the Lord for the first 6 words of your sentence Rev.