[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[John]

At the end of the day it means FA, but Hughes has little time for big time charlie, so all of a sudden him and Ray Matthias are going to build on his work.

What a joke - not going to contribute money wise this year I think.......... I never minded putting money in the past, but not when we have got someone who is taking the pIs£

[thenodrog]

Mind you, didn't that guy with The Apprentice after lying about his qualifications?

Makes you think.

Only that the others must have been worse.

Odd programme that. I've only watched a few English episodes but I did see quite a lot of the first USA one starring Trump. I find it very demeaning / revealing imo how ours is so dumbed down. The candidates are mostly just about fit to stack shelves in Tesco's.

[thenodrog]

And so is Jean Tigana

Ah but Gullitt and Tigana appeared intelligent individuals and possessed much dignity and bearing.

[thenodrog]

If Ince is appointed, we all know the press headlines will be about him not turning up on the FAW course and hoodwinking the Rovers, the LMA and the Premier League chairmen.

The other thing to bear in mind, at the moment the guy presumably is in interview mode/best behaviour. What he would be like with his fat contract and feet under the desk at our club which his mate Lewis in the Mirror clearly indicates he still despises I shudder to think.

I think the head to head vote in which he managed to get a princely 13% shows that Rovers supporters have got the measure of the guy.

I'll have to eat humble pie and go to Ewood after all....... every blasted golf course in the county will be packed solid Sat afternoons!

[John]

I should watch what I say, but I have no respect for Ince. Everyone I have spoken to over the last 48 hours has had nothing but negative words about him and his allies in the media. He thought he had 'our' job 3 days ago.

I will support him because it seems like JW has fallen for his b*lls*it. I can see him having big plans for us, y' know.

[thenodrog]

Lest we forget.......... Ince's disgraceful reaction to his sending off in Sweden.

Curse the angry brigade

Jeff Powell

THE FATEFUL question is no longer whether Glenn Hoddle has lost the plot - no prizes for getting that one right - but if he has lost control of Paul Ince and his brother prima donnas in England shirts.

The answer has become an urgent matter of national importance.

Where it was once a disgrace to be so much as booked while playing for England, let alone sent off, it now appears that anything goes E and nobody cares. Not even the coach of the England team.

Ince The Unruly will resent being fingered but he has put himself at the crux of this festering issue.

Whether that gutter gesture in Stockholm was directed at the gloating Swedish fans, the dismayed England coaching staff, the referee who sent him packing or the last critic to suggest he may not be quite as good as Pele, Maradona and Ronaldo rolled into one, it simply doesn't matter.

What he really did was raise two fingers at the game which has made his fortune and at the country he dishonoured that recent afternoon abroad.

The Guv'nor?

Never mind the England football team, he's not fit to be the Guv'nor of a pub. Perhaps the chief licensing magistrate should be his manager, rather than one of his misguided apologists.

Because down at the local he would be required to keep an orderly house, not brawl in the corridors with the visitors the way he is reported to have done with Chelsea's Graeme Le Saux at Liverpool on Sunday.

That said, Ince is not alone. Arrogant, scowling, aggressive and snarling as the most sanctioned footballer in England's history can be -12 bookings, one dismissal but not enough great passes - he is but one of the many spoiled brats who are threatening to sour football's boom in their seeming belief that they are above the laws of the game E and in some cases the law of the land.

As the stars of the game, their petulance and greed is accelerating football's downward spiral towards anarchy. The verbal and now even physical abuse of the referee has been the

most blatant manifestation of that crisis of respect. But it is all the more alarming if authority no longer resides in the office of England coach. When Hoddle panders to Ince and Le Saux, he opens the trapdoor to a snake-pit.

Ince's No Show at the FA Coaching course despite reports of him 'maturing' of late ...... just think 'Leopards and spots'.

[USABlue]

If Ince were to fall through, for whatever reason, and mystery candidate no. two (say it's Bilic) turns out not to be interested, where do we go from there?

We could always ask nicko to put in a good word for us with his mate down the road there.

[American]

I had warmed to Ince as manager. By no means close to being first choice, but ok. However, unless he has a cast iron reason for not attending the course we MUST walk away. It seems he has shown complete disregard for the rules around the Premier League. Further, if there is no good reason for his non-attendance, he has spat in the face of Rovers, who went out of their way to get the dispensation.

Rev seems to like him because he is English. (I suspect the fact that it will 1- give the club liberal credentials and 2- upset a number of the rather colour-challenged locals, also helps) If there is no good reason for his non-attendance, then I think is is safe to say that Ince is showing himself to be the worst kind of English- a chav who thinks rules don't apply to him. In that situation, I would hope we show him that they do. I despise Fat Sam, but at least he has attended the courses- he's not arrogant enough to think he doesn't need to- and I don't think had arrangements made for him to go and then didn't turn up.

John Williams will be forever tarnished if he lets this person manage the club without making sure there was a cast iron reason for him being unable to attend the course. If there isn't- bin him and start again.

The only thing we know for certain is that he has 2 years to get his qualifications. It's entirely possible that the rest of the clubs said they didn't care if he went through the motions now, the only important thing was that he did it for real in the next 2 years.

Speculating about conversations is fun!!

[USABlue]

OK, I have wanted Ince since the very first rumblings of Sparky's departure started. I have however, already come across serious concerns. Why the hell on earth did this bloke not show up for the coaching gig. It reeks and I do not like the implications from him not doing so. Does he not take this seriously? I find it quite disrespectful after Rovers have gone out of their way to see in advance what it would take to hire this man, he goes and undermines the very professionalism with which BRFC conducted itself. You know if I was JW, I may just be tempted to tell him sorry, you were the man but not after that.

[jw_]

Well this is one JW that's saying sorry Ince your not the man for Rovers, just wish I was the other JW.

[Alan75]

I could argue the point, is an academic coaching qualification worth the paper it’s written on, as I would suggest that the great manager of the past, such as Shankley, Busby, Stein, Clough etc achieved success from their experience in the game. The game has however moved on and there is a need to keep abreast of the changes, due to the fitness requirements associated with the modern game, especially the Premiership, which concentrates more on physical and stamina attributes that technical ability.

At this stage of his career, Ince has no experience to call on apart from 18 months in the lower leagues.

I’ve no reason to dispute Nicko’s information, that Ince didn’t attend UEFA A Licence course being run by the FA of Wales at Aberystwyth as it’s not the first time that Ince has failed to commit himself to the academic side of football management / coaching.

From the information that I’ve gleaned he failed to complete a football management diploma course in the summer of 2006 at Warwick whilst still a player at Wolves.

There may be some genuine reason for not attending the course in Aberystwyth, but with all the commitment required to manage a football club, where is he going to find the time and inclination as a manager, when he couldn’t finish a course as a player with all the free time during a closed season.

The burning question is, if as stated by Nicko, that Ince couldn’t commit himself to just sitting in as an observer to the coaching course at Aberystwyth, how committed is he to getting the qualification within two years and more so how committed is he to Rovers.

If he didnt attend the course and hasnt a valid reason for not doing so, he has allready showed disrespect to the club it's supporters and John Williams, who has spent valuable time canvasing the League managers association and Premiership Club chairmen.

[brfc4ever]

And lastly, where did this £4.5million over 3 years figure come out of? If it's true the board need to be whipped from one end of England to the other. He should get nowhere near that until results prove he deserves it. I mean that 1.5 million a year for a manger with no qualifications and minimal experience. Pay him a tenth of that and put a figure on final placement in the damn league, if you must, but if this is the "cheap option" for a manager we may as well spend it on someone with SOME kind of track record at a decent level. You cannot tell me that he's getting paid anywhere near that at the Dons, or was getting any significant fraction of it at Maccelsfield, and irrelevant to Rovers level, he should be licking the mud off boots to get what is basically a three division promotion and a chance to make a name for himself as a top manager. Hell, he should nearly be paying Rovers when I put it like that.

So true. Everything we got for Hughes goes straight to a guy with no qualifications and minimal experience.

I dont get it. Dont know what to think anymore. Imo Laudrup is an easy choice over Ince. But who knows.

Only thing I know for sure is, that its ruining my sleep. Cant sleep at night, and sitting in front of my desktop all day long, with little or no contact to the real

world... I'm becoming insane.

Btw.

If anybody offered me £4.5m for 3 years, I'd take any kind of course in a hurry. Twice.

[nicko]

Only thing I know for sure is, that its ruining my sleep. Cant sleep at night, and sitting in front of my desktop all day long, with little or no contact to the real

world... I'm becoming insane.

That makes two of us...

[thenodrog]

That makes two of us...

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[Mr Creosote]

Work commitments have meant that I have missed developments on this thread (great to have Nicko back). Can anybody enlighten me as to Allardyce's disapearance from contention? Did he withdraw as he realised he was far from first choice or was he scared off by the paltry transfer budget?

Not that I'm complaining

[thenodrog]

By the way, I think Ince WILL be appointed.

But one or two people need to have a good look at themselves over this.

An awful lot needs explaining about this process.

Surely he has had too much bad PR now? Obnoxious git throughout his entire career, his comments about BRFC, his Mirror buddy's comments and now this can't be bothered turning up issue. The supporters would turn on him in a flash after a few poor performances.

[brfc4ever]

his comments about BRFC

Can anybody tell me what these comments are ? I've seen them mentioned a few times now.

[DannyKeg]

It certainly sounds like there's a conspiracy to be uncovered here he thenodrog.

No updates on LET since Friday.

Are there no hints in the UK Sundays about the mystery 2nd. candidate ?

Did JW make another mad dash down to the Euros when Croatia were eliminated and offer Bilic loads of money ?

We need to be told !

[Mr Creosote]

Can anybody tell me what these comments are ? I've seen them mentioned a few times now.

I think he allegedly referred to us as a "two bob club" in the 90's when we were rumoured to be trying to sign him from Inter.

[DannyKeg]

Nicko, how much advance warning to they usually give you when they call a Press Conference ?

[nicko]

Nicko, how much advance warning to they usually give you when they call a Press Conference ?

I think the drill here is that they will announce the time and date of an appointment a few hours in advance.

Bear in mind that there is another club -MK Dons - in this and they may blab first if an official 'we want Ince as boss' approach is made.

Mind you, since the Premier League 'broke' the story that they would NOT block him over his lack of coaching qualifications there has been a deathly hush from Rovers.

I make that 39 hours and counting.

[Rover down South]

It certainly sounds like there's a conspiracy to be uncovered here he thenodrog.

No updates on LET since Friday.

Are there no hints in the UK Sundays about the mystery 2nd. candidate ?

Did JW make another mad dash down to the Euros when Croatia were eliminated and offer Bilic loads of money ?

We need to be told !

Surely we could land Bilic if we offered him what Ince has allegedly been offered (£4.5 million over three years)

Bilic is only on something like £150,000 a year with Croatia.

Just get Bilic to accept our job, pull out all the stops to get him.

Whats interesting though is McLaren is now employed, BFS has pulled out, Shearer said no, doubts over Laudrup/Bilic & now there is this coaching course saga surrounding Ince. Where would we turn next?

[Dufflite]

JW "£4.5m over 3 sound alright...not bad for a 2 bob club eh Paul?"

PI "thank you and I promise to get all my badges. I can't wait to go to Wales on wednesday!"

JW "make sure you do as I've promised everyone you will pull you finger out"

PI "I promise!"

The lying chuff. Who the firk does he think he is?

all I can think is that he must be either incredibly stupid or arrogant.

I hope JW realises the mistake he was about to make and chucks Inces 2 page CV in the bin and moves on.

[leftfooter]

Could be partially nonsense, but RSC now embroiled in the Adebayor transfer saga according to the Mail.

Amazed at Arsenal letting him go, and amazed that Adebayor will jump ship to play UEFA Cup football, but their transfer mark up (7 M - 25M) is a similar ratio for what the Mail cites for RSC (3.7M - 12M). I though it was 3.2M?

Arsenal are showing the way. Buy cheap then sell on when met with best offer and astronomical wage demands.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...enal-board.html

BTW, the moment Adebayor failed to square to a clean through Bendtner at Big Club to finish the game off, it went through my mind if that could be the moment Arsenal blew the title. The rest is history

[philipl]

The other papers are saying arsenal will block any move for Adebayor.