[Archived] Nickos (newer) Thread

[Mike Graham]

Nope, no need to paul. Most on here will know what I am alluding to, and I care little whether you do or not.

Don't worry Paul; he's dumped the Rovers for golf: good riddance

[RovertheHill]

Good spot...I meant 'you'...have to remain impartial after all.

Our work is done. Welcome child MUWAHAHAHAHAHA

[thenodrog]

Don't worry Paul; he's dumped the Rovers for golf: good riddance

Who rattled your cage? You seem very flippant about people staying away from Ewood. Care to have a small season long wager that league home attendances will fall this coming season compared to last?

[JamieUK]

I wonder - if Ince had retired at the top rather than going to Wolves and then starting his managerial career lower down the ladder would we have as much negativity? He would essentially be on a similar level as Shearer and look at all the support he was getting... (though I accept a lot of that was because he was an ex player).

As for me - He wasn't my no 1 choice but I'm warming to the appointment and I expect him to prove a lot of doubters wrong...

[yoda]

Wouldn't it be wonderful to lose Theno. Now's our chance. Let's not blow it it. It took six years to defeat the nazis in the last World War. It's taken longer on here.

What the (Please don't use that word again) are you talking about?

[laughatthedingles]

So Ince is our manager, now at least we can all look forward. Forget Bilic, McClaren, Hughes, Big Fat Sam, Laudrup, Advocaat and even our beloved Henk.

We now need to focus and prepare for the future, Ince is our manager for the next 3 years - at least and lets see it as that.

Unlike Hughes, Ince is coming into an almost no win situation. We have argueably overachieved and/or achieved our potential with the current level of finance.

Hughes took over when things couldnt have got much worse, Ince is taking over possible the opposite.

We have a difficult start to the season, we could realistically only take 3 points from our first few games, this will then heap pressure from the press.

Ince does not have all the fans onside, he needs us.

Our top players are being courted around and we need to make sure we do not increase the pressure on the club, back them to the hills and however hard it may be think long term, 6 games, nearly two months will seem like a long time but even if the start is not as we would wish, keep the faith.

Ince comes VERY highly rated, he is English and a born winner.

[cravenblue]

well said, lets get behind the boss

[Hi Mack]

So Ince is our manager, now at least we can all look forward. Forget Bilic, McClaren, Hughes, Big Fat Sam, Laudrup, Advocaat and even our beloved Henk.

We now need to focus and prepare for the future, Ince is our manager for the next 3 years - at least and lets see it as that.

Unlike Hughes, Ince is coming into an almost no win situation. We have argueably overachieved and/or achieved our potential with the current level of finance.

Hughes took over when things couldnt have got much worse, Ince is taking over possible the opposite.

We have a difficult start to the season, we could realistically only take 3 points from our first few games, this will then heap pressure from the press.

Ince does not have all the fans onside, he needs us.

Our top players are being courted around and we need to make sure we do not increase the pressure on the club, back them to the hills and however hard it may be think long term, 6 games, nearly two months will seem like a long time but even if the start is not as we would wish, keep the faith.

Ince comes VERY highly rated, he is English and a born winner.

Hitchen someones wrote that for you that person talks sense!

Hitchen you never have

[Mozzer]

i was against the idea of having paul ince as manager at first-but the more i think about it, to be honest this could turn into a good appointment..hes young, hungry and i do think he could get the best out of players..

will be interesting to see how he does in the transfer market aswell..

[rundereim]

I think there will be a new taktiks and a mutch more offensiv football with ince.

we just need to have faith in ince

[ffan]

Ince's first test as a Premiership manager is his first season in the league, his biggest test is building his own successful team.

From experience Chris Coleman came to manage Fulham in similar situation to Ince (badges etc). His first full season was excellent as he had Tiganas team, hopefully Ince will have a successful season with Hughes's team. However Colemans downfall was his assistant, Steve Kean and trying to build his own team. So while next season is going to a big season, Ince's true test as a Premiership manager will be over the coming seasons.

ps sorry for the context, just had a wee bit to drink and am a bit tipsy lool.

[tony gale's mic]

If Ince can keep us top 10 next season he'll have done a very good job. But agreed with ffan, his true test will come the season after that. I can see RSC staying this coming season but probably not for any further seasons. If Bentley leaves he will be absolutely crucial next season and when RSC eventually goes we wont have a single potent attacking threat in attack or midfield, unless Ince buys wisely.

[BRFC1995]

the 1 thing i liked about souness was when buying from lower leagues, screw the little club over(Stead,Neill,etc), whether this was just down to us not being minted or not i prefer to think its because we are frugal. Hughes took this to another level but chose to buy from better clubs and i'd like to think this would carry on. The antics of Lawrie and keane last year were frightening but i would love to think that as unrealistic a prospect as it is and ince bids for any 3rd div player he really screws them down as £2m for any player outside the top 6 in the championship is a joke.

Expect phone call to jose as crespo does'nt look like he'll be doin a lot there, years loan anyone....saha.giggs,scholes,fletcher,o'shea...not really keen on any but, with 2+2 equelling 5 in these times feel we'll probably get 1. On the same basis ....Finnan,Hyppia,razor ruddock,spice boys......

[Paul Mellelieu]

Nope, no need to paul. Most on here will know what I am alluding to, and I care little whether you do or not.

Hang on a minute you called me racist; the first person to do so, as far as i can remember. So either put up or shut up.

Evidence, or an apology.

[John]

Calm guys.

Maybe I am mellowing at my old age, but I am rather excited about the Ince era....

[Saf]

the 1 thing i liked about souness was when buying from lower leagues, screw the little club over(Stead,Neill,etc), whether this was just down to us not being minted or not i prefer to think its because we are frugal. Hughes took this to another level but chose to buy from better clubs and i'd like to think this would carry on. The antics of Lawrie and keane last year were frightening but i would love to think that as unrealistic a prospect as it is and ince bids for any 3rd div player he really screws them down as £2m for any player outside the top 6 in the championship is a joke.

Expect phone call to jose as crespo does'nt look like he'll be doin a lot there, years loan anyone....saha.giggs,scholes,fletcher,o'shea...not really keen on any but, with 2+2 equelling 5 in these times feel we'll probably get 1. On the same basis ....Finnan,Hyppia,razor ruddock,spice boys......

yeh agreee with u there, there will ve a few gems out there in the lower leagues, with incey coming from the lower leagues he could be able to see the potnetial youngester or psoming players who ca make the cut in the premeireague.

Take ramsey of arsenal for example no one heard of him a year ago, know some good performances in the a cup and league and hes off to arsenal. so having a manger like ince can be beneficial beacuse he and mathias his assiastant may have a decent idea of a few youngsters who may hv caught their eye last year. Id rather rovers go in for them now when they cost next to nothing rather than a season or two later where they may catch the attention of a few top scouts from the top for next thing you know theyll be gone to them.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Calm guys.

Maybe I am mellowing at my old age, but I am rather excited about the Ince era....

I'm calm, but it seems 'drog seems to have been sent sideways by Ince's appointment.

[Blue n White Rover]

Ince's Career Photos

Read the little comment under picture 5

[Manchester Blue]

I'm certain of the opposite. Here is a guy who took control of a team way adrift at the bottom of the table as his first job, can't name a lot of other ex-stars who would do the same. Also made Andrews captain after having fallen out with him while they played together. Doesn't strike me as letting his ego get in the way of that decision, either.

Fully agree, this is a guy who has started at the bottom tier when many other candidates would, and indeed have, turned their noses up at jobs that they felt beneath them. All this nonsense being spoken about his character is just plain daft and nothing more than speculation. This is a man who went and made himself a success in the Italian league when it was at it's peak when other, supposedly more intelligient players couldn't hack it.

I think it's an appointment that is of course a gamble but you can;t say you have faith in Williams and then start ranting hysterically when he makes a cal you don't agree with. Give the guy a chance whatever your opinions are of him, especially if you have been slating people left, right and centre for slating other candidates.

[malk]

I do love how we white folk bring up the aparent racism of giving a non white person a job because they might not be the best candidate. Putting aside all the endemic structural issues that keep minorities out of certain professions it can't fail to come across as hideously small minded.

How can appointing the first British black manager not be newsworthy? When 25% of league players are black yet only 2% of managers are then it intuitively seems like something is amiss.

Not that I can complain, firmly ensconced as I am in the wonderful demographic of being white, middle class, university educated and devilishly handsome to boot.

Anyway, this isn't some positive discrimination issue, Ince, from all available information seems to have won the job on merit alone. Criticising his lack of experience is moot since Southgate and Keane had bugger all andGullit, incidentally, also had none. Some have mentioned that Hughes manged Wales for five years but a) international management is not all that similar to club management and five years at international level is probably less time with players than eighteen months in club management would be.

[Jan]

Hang on a minute you called me racist; the first person to do so, as far as i can remember. So either put up or shut up.

Evidence, or an apology.

I THINK what he meant was that you saw Ince's race as a POSITIVE issue. (IE were in favour at least in part BECAUSE he was black).

It's the old positive discrimination argument. The Labour Party (which by the way I supported until they went too wishy-washy right wing) holds up all-women short list as a good thing because "it shows how non-anti-women we are". What it also shows is that, for whatever laudable reason, they ARE favouring discrimination.

Theno can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read his comment.

[Hi Mack]

I cant believe the subject of race has even entered this topic!

We are in the year 2008 we have players such as samba mcCarthy roberts etc!

I havent read all the previous posts so this isnt directed at anyone in particular

but come on. Even the papers are bringing it up pretty pathetic!

Paul Ince should have everyones backing as he guides rovers through what

hopefully will be an exciting few years!

[Hughesy]

With him playing attacking offensive football them im looking forward to it. Get rid off the bad apple (bentley) asap, before he upsets others - but obviously no less than our valuation.

Then buy a few of his own style players - hopefully with pace. I think he should contact Cardiff and see if they still want to pay the reported £3m for Roberts - thats good money for someone so poor at finishing. Also let Mokoena leave as we now have Vogel in that mould of a player.

Hopefully he will add more pace, an attacking midfielder, a replacement for Big Head Bentley and maybe a right back - and hopeully all of a good quality. Cant wait to see who is interested in!

[philipl]

Phew, finally not got an IPS drive error and thereflog has not completely self-immolated.

In John Williams I trust- he's had more than one big judgement call to make over the past couple of weeks aqnd it does seem that he and the board were pretty sold on Ince from the moment they did or did not meet him sometime early last week.

I would have preferred ten Cate, Laudrup or Bilic but for one reason or another they didn't measur up.

Congratualtions and very best of luck to Paul Ince.

The coming weeks are going to be very interesting indeed. My hunches are that RSC could be prevailed upon to stay despite Rovers getting a very significant offer from a CL-qualified club at some point, that Bentley won't be prevailed to stay despite Rovers failing to get a very significant offer from a CL-qualified club at any point and that the Guv'nor will spend most of his money on trying to find a replica of himself to boss the midfield.

[Hughesy]

If he wants a player in his style - Gattuso would do very nicely!! (We can all dream)