[Archived] Do You Approve Of The New Manager?

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as a former shop steward I have found that happen many times ( but thats a different subject )

A successfull /good manager has to have his team on board and it doesn't look good at the moment if everything coming out of Brockhall is true and warnock a few days before the season starts hands in a transfer request everything isnt rosy in the camp so unless we get off to a decent start in our 1st few games mr Ince may soon have is P45 and JW eat humble pie and admit he as made the wrong decision !

Whilst working in london at the weekend I met some very well to do man utd fans who had a high respect for Ince as aplayer but as a person none whatsoever !

Apart from the obligatory mangling of the English language; who on earth takes anything seriously from a self-confessed 'shop-steward'?

What next; Britney Spears writes an A-Z on successful parenting (with a foreword from the McCann's)?

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paul Ince was a won every thing there was to win as a player but being a success as a player doesn't make youa success as a manager in the top flight - its a bit different lower down the divisions where the players are in total awe of you and your helped along with a backroom staff with vast knowledge of the lower leagues but when you get to the highest level and try and manage players who earn top money then it changes !

If the daily mail story is true from last week and I was a player made to do extra press ups or work by my boss/manager I'd turn round and tell him to F*** off and do them hisself and that happens in any walk of life workwise and footballers are no different !

First of all 'Athlete', your not a player, successful footballer, or successful at all for that matter, are you?

Secondly, I'm surprised to read that the suggestion of 20 press-ups would cause such consternation to a self-proclaimed 'Athlete' such as yourself.

[S15]

Athlete.

If your manager feels you have done something wrong, he is obligated to punish you. If your attitude is ''I'd tell him to shove it,'' well, you're a bit pathetic really.

Not supporting Ince, just dissing you.

[cruz]

A massive crackling of thunder just broke out over London.

No it wasn't. It's finally demolition day for that godforsaken dump

[Billy Castell]

What next; Britney Spears writes an A-Z on successful parenting (with a foreword from the McCann's)?

Will it have a section on family games such as the Fritzl's version of hide and seek and Rose West's interpretation of murder in the dark?

Oops I may have gone too far. Oh well its the only pleasure I get at the moment.

[RevidgeBlue]

What next; Britney Spears writes an A-Z on successful parenting (with a foreword from the McCann's)?

Very good.

You're in a better mood than Sunday.

[DingleBaiter]

paul Ince was a won every thing there was to win as a player but being a success as a player doesn't make youa success as a manager in the top flight - its a bit different lower down the divisions where the players are in total awe of you and your helped along with a backroom staff with vast knowledge of the lower leagues but when you get to the highest level and try and manage players who earn top money then it changes !

If the daily mail story is true from last week and I was a player made to do extra press ups or work by my boss/manager I'd turn round and tell him to F*** off and do them hisself and that happens in any walk of life workwise and footballers are no different !

It's easy to say that on here - bet you wouldn't have told Ferguson to F'off, to name but one?

You sound like a guest on the Jeremy Kyle show.

I'd suggest the only athletics you've done is under the quilt with a torch & the Grattan's catalogue's well-thumbed lingerie pages.

[Veevs]

Given the latest "news" from Nicko.. and the fact he wont reply to my questions regarding the board actually backing ince... and actual events that have happened to date..

My support has vanished.. unless he makes at least one decent signing.. and no Konchesky/Pennant do not count...

Warnock wanting out is the last straw for me.. gutting to say the least... Fowler (who has been regular in pre-season) likely to sign as a player despite poor performances (/cry)..

So I have gone from full support for Ince.. to NO SUPPORT whatsoever and a ball has not even been kicked yet...

this is not just down to the comments from Nicko.. or the Anti Ince Brigade..

Blimey Ince is now 3rd favourite for the sack.. and favourite for the most daft signings (note plural) of the season... our rapid decrease in odds via the bookies for relegation increase in odds for final position (normally a good indicator, increase being bad btw).. seeming lack of support from the board.. all the vultures circling (blimey even the axe has been rumoured to be wanted and I cant name many players that have not).. Ongoing interest in Andrews.. Not exactly many good signings (excluding one replacement and even he is on a dip in form) so far.. rumoured unrest (kind of backed by Warnock wanting out)..

[Mc Love]

I wonder if anyone has posted this yet? When you jumble ince's name up you come up with NICE!! Hopefully a NICE INCE season is what we have to look forward to?

(okay, i am bored in work)

[DingleBaiter]

Given the latest "news" from Nicko.. and the fact he wont reply to my questions regarding the board actually backing ince... and actual events that have happened to date..

My support has vanished.. unless he makes at least one decent signing.. and no Konchesky/Pennant do not count...

Do you have directions to the Dingledome, or do you want driving there?

Question - elaborate on what is deemed a 'decent' signing - is it what you think, or what Ince thinks? Whilst accepting Ince seems to be shopping at Aldi, that isn't a reason to go on a splurge at M&S for the sake of it & buying something that will make you fart all night.

Of course, every fan wants to see exciting signings. However, we've had them in the past, based on their price tag, and they've tanked. Hughes probably served us the best signings, in terms of appreciation in value (there's a conspiracy theory, Hughes bought as an investment for the coffers, not based on their talent) but none of them - including Bellamy - could have been classed as exciting/decent/guaranteed. His forte was on delivering players, strikers in particular, that he felt worth a punt - and on the whole, that worked a treat.

However, extend that logic to Ince. Konkers was looked at by Hughes a few times, so he can't be an utter turnip. IF he was signed, assuming Warnock goes, he may prove to be do the job we need (though I'd suggest this is unlikely) therefore a good signing - rather than exciting. Compare that to Baines - Everton will probably want to recoup their outlay so they'd look for 5 million I guess? Would this price tag then class him as 'exciting'? No, I think it would class him as over-priced; 6 million quid was expensive last season when he was at his peak. 5 million now for an injury-prone specialist left back that a centre half playing out of position has now made him surplus to requirements seems too much. However, I rate him as a player and perhaps if we could get him for half that it may make him more appealing.

Take the right winger; I'd rather see a good player come in that's better than what we have, but don't forget Bentley was still not really in the region of being 'exciting'; he was a gamble (hence his low price) that did well on loan, and rose to the challenge. We bought him with baggage, he could have flopped. Pennant now is in the same bracket. I'm certain if we can get him for what Ince judges is a fair price - and I'm sure that's his biggest criteria - he would have no problems signing him. However, spending big to make a statement is as risky a strategy as not spending at all; it all comes down to how they pan out.

Don't forget, it's not just the quality of the player that matters, not the cost, it's the value of him. He needs to fit what Ince is looking for, in terms of cost, wages, motivation, character, how he will fit into the team, reliability and numerous other criteria. This was a forte of Hughes - he drew up a list of who he wanted, often involving a few options, and listed the scenarios whereby one target would be more suitable than another. Personally, I think this the case with the Andrews & Annan; he knows exactly what he is looking for, is starting from scratch on the scouting front and so is weighing everything up. Annan clearly isn't fully satisfying his requirements - or he feels he could get better VALUE elsewhere. Much as it may hurt to admit, we as fans aren't in a position to say which is the better option - Andrews at 1.5 say may be better value than Annan at 3.5. I'm also certain that this isn't all restricted to Andrews or Annan. Sad as it may be to state this, he may even consider the Axe for no outlay to be a better option than both? What would Hughes have done? Probably pulled off another coup whereby he'd sell the Axe for money to fund the Annan deal, pleasing the money men and the fans. No reason to doubt Ince wouldn't do this, but the difference is twofold; Ince hasn't the luxury of a settled squad and also has his entire scouting network/backroom staff starting from scratch.

The moral of the tale is one of two 4.5 million transfers in a week, Matt Jansen & Ashley Ward. At the time, I'm sure fans were delighted we were signing two 'big money' players. The fact one took the challenge, improved and delivered some vital goals as well as being a fans favourite, getting into the England setup and being an utter joy for the club, whilst the other just took the Michael out of everybody was sadly only proven in time.

Beware of players coming for big money, judge the value not the cost.

[Veevs]

Do you have directions to the Dingledome, or do you want driving there?

Question - elaborate on what is deemed a 'decent' signing - is it what you think, or what Ince thinks? Whilst accepting Ince seems to be shopping at Aldi, that isn't a reason to go on a splurge at M&S for the sake of it & buying something that will make you fart all night.

Of course, every fan wants to see exciting signings. However, we've had them in the past, based on their price tag, and they've tanked. Hughes probably served us the best signings, in terms of appreciation in value (there's a conspiracy theory, Hughes bought as an investment for the coffers, not based on their talent) but none of them - including Bellamy - could have been classed as exciting/decent/guaranteed. His forte was on delivering players, strikers in particular, that he felt worth a punt - and on the whole, that worked a treat.

However, extend that logic to Ince. Konkers was looked at by Hughes a few times, so he can't be an utter turnip. IF he was signed, assuming Warnock goes, he may prove to be do the job we need (though I'd suggest this is unlikely) therefore a good signing - rather than exciting. Compare that to Baines - Everton will probably want to recoup their outlay so they'd look for 5 million I guess? Would this price tag then class him as 'exciting'? No, I think it would class him as over-priced; 6 million quid was expensive last season when he was at his peak. 5 million now for an injury-prone specialist left back that a centre half playing out of position has now made him surplus to requirements seems too much. However, I rate him as a player and perhaps if we could get him for half that it may make him more appealing.

Take the right winger; I'd rather see a good player come in that's better than what we have, but don't forget Bentley was still not really in the region of being 'exciting'; he was a gamble (hence his low price) that did well on loan, and rose to the challenge. We bought him with baggage, he could have flopped. Pennant now is in the same bracket. I'm certain if we can get him for what Ince judges is a fair price - and I'm sure that's his biggest criteria - he would have no problems signing him. However, spending big to make a statement is as risky a strategy as not spending at all; it all comes down to how they pan out.

Don't forget, it's not just the quality of the player that matters, not the cost, it's the value of him. He needs to fit what Ince is looking for, in terms of cost, wages, motivation, character, how he will fit into the team, reliability and numerous other criteria. This was a forte of Hughes - he drew up a list of who he wanted, often involving a few options, and listed the scenarios whereby one target would be more suitable than another. Personally, I think this the case with the Andrews & Annan; he knows exactly what he is looking for, is starting from scratch on the scouting front and so is weighing everything up. Annan clearly isn't fully satisfying his requirements - or he feels he could get better VALUE elsewhere. Much as it may hurt to admit, we as fans aren't in a position to say which is the better option - Andrews at 1.5 say may be better value than Annan at 3.5. I'm also certain that this isn't all restricted to Andrews or Annan. Sad as it may be to state this, he may even consider the Axe for no outlay to be a better option than both? What would Hughes have done? Probably pulled off another coup whereby he'd sell the Axe for money to fund the Annan deal, pleasing the money men and the fans. No reason to doubt Ince wouldn't do this, but the difference is twofold; Ince hasn't the luxury of a settled squad and also has his entire scouting network/backroom staff starting from scratch.

The moral of the tale is one of two 4.5 million transfers in a week, Matt Jansen & Ashley Ward. At the time, I'm sure fans were delighted we were signing two 'big money' players. The fact one took the challenge, improved and delivered some vital goals as well as being a fans favourite, getting into the England setup and being an utter joy for the club, whilst the other just took the Michael out of everybody was sadly only proven in time.

Beware of players coming for big money, judge the value not the cost.

see my last post on nicko thread in regards to this..

the question lies who is better value.. someone trying to prove themselves at 22 and with a big reputation (already an established international) or someone at 27 (28 soon) who is only wanted by wolves..

the biggest facts are Ince is now third favourite to be the first Prem manager to get the sack (at a club renown for sticking with managers too long at times), in the 50 days he has been in charge he has fixed one of the three positions he wanted to strengthen (and with a loan signing without a view from ManU).. there are just 3 days left to the season start.. and we have signed 3 players of unknown quality (One loan from ManU who spent a season with ipswich, one untried south american and one guy on a very bad run of form)... the best thing we got was steele and he left for ManU... Board have gone quiet.. and 2 of our top 5 have already left (with 1 more known to want out)...

Please note I have lost my support for the manager not the club.. I will always be a rovers fan (and have lived though our days in the lower leagues)..

[DingleBaiter]

Please note I have lost my support for the manager not the club.. I will always be a rovers fan (and have lived though our days in the lower leagues)..

Okay, you're John Williams, you've got the Black BMW and all the decisions fall on your shoulders ........

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Then (separate to previous answers) what five things would you like to see happen (from the club, Ince, team etc.) to bring you back onside, or are you over the edge already like a lemming?

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Be interesting to see your answers, I take your points in reply but it's always easier to say what's not been done. Bear in mind it does seem there's a double nadger-kick going on with a lot of the posts on here. That is, folk are saying Ince should buy players to show there is money to spend, but then the same folks will slag them players if they're no good. It's unrealistic to expect Ince to come in and splash the cash & then hold him over a barrel with both outcomes facing some element of slagging.

I'd like nothing better than him to fire off Fowler, sign two players - which I still think will happen - and if needs be, sell Benedict & the Axe to do a Hughes 'flip' and use the revenue to get better, more motivated players that offer more value (ideally ones that will be increasing, rather than deprecating, assets). However, that's what I'd like, not what I won't stamp my feet and get the lynch mob ready if all/some of them aren't done.

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I have to admit that after initially 'reserving my judgement' and waiting to see how we started the season it is getting increasingly difficult to support Ince or indeed have a shred of optimism for this season. In Villanueva we've signed a player whose potential should be the catalyst for a wave of excitement around Ewood, but that has been overshadowed by depressing talk about Fowler, Andrews, Warnock, Roque...

The Annan thing was the final straw for me. £1.5m would have been a drop in the ocean if reports about our financial situation are correct, why insult the player by offering a loan. The fact is that I have lost what little faith I had in Ince and have moved myself out of the 'wait and see' camp and firmly into the 'maybe watching Blackburn Hawks this season won't be such a bad thing' group.

[broadsword]

Sit-ups, push-ups ... nothing wrong with bodyweight exercise, although there are a lot of more sophisticated options out there.

I can't imagine he's concentrating on just those two exercises, surely. He has two sports scientists that he's just appointed, they're hardly going to recommend high-repetition sit-ups and push-ups.

In the unlikely event that that is the case, can I please have a job at Ewood Park because I'm sure I could do a lot, lot better than that.

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Do you have directions to the Dingledome, or do you want driving there?

Question - elaborate on what is deemed a 'decent' signing - is it what you think, or what Ince thinks? Whilst accepting Ince seems to be shopping at Aldi, that isn't a reason to go on a splurge at M&S for the sake of it & buying something that will make you fart all night.

That's it...close the board...noone will ever write anything better than that.

DingleBaiter...Genius.

[BPF]

The Annan thing was the final straw for me. £1.5m would have been a drop in the ocean if reports about our financial situation are correct, why insult the player by offering a loan. The fact is that I have lost what little faith I had in Ince and have moved myself out of the 'wait and see' camp and firmly into the 'maybe watching Blackburn Hawks this season won't be such a bad thing' group.

The Annan situation is really getting to me too. But only because of people on this board. Reminds me of Souness buying George Weah's 'Cousin'.

"But..But..We've heard he's a superstar Sir!! We know Paul Ince knows midfielders at top level more than any of us but we just can't see why we aren't throwing two million at him!!"

I heard about this good Italian player once....Grabbi or something I think his name was. Let the management do their job! As much as you refuse to believe it, they know the game far more than you do. If they geniunely thought he was going to take the league by storm i'm sure they'd have snapped him up.

[cruz]

Can somebody post one shed of reported and confirmed TRUTH that has made them come to the conclusion that Ince hasn't a clue?

Please do not base it on our ignorance of the training staff nor your ignorance of a Nigerian you have never seen play, an ageing forward he has not offered a deal too, or a 3rd tier player that no-one really knows anything about.

[incecticide]

Mr Wenger seems to think he's OK. I have seen the guy play and, albeit in a completely different setting, he looks a real talent, was running games for Ghana in the African Nations. I'm not saying I know better than Paul Ince, but I'm definitely saying Wenger does.

[almuncle]

Mr Wenger seems to think he's OK. I have seen the guy play and, albeit in a completely different setting, he looks a real talent, was running games for Ghana in the African Nations. I'm not saying I know better than Paul Ince, but I'm definitely saying Wenger does.

Mr Wenger is probably confident that if, after some time in the reserves, he is not up to playing for the first team,there will be some other less intelligent managers who will pay the 1.5 mill or whatever on the basis that he was good enough for the reserves at Arse. A similar spell in our reserves will mean we will be lucky to shift him at all.A different type of gamble.

[incecticide]

Mr Wenger is probably confident that if, after some time in the reserves, he is not up to playing for the first team,there will be some other less intelligent managers who will pay the 1.5 mill or whatever on the basis that he was good enough for the reserves at Arse. A similar spell in our reserves will mean we will be lucky to shift him at all.A different type of gamble.

So Wenger buys bad players? Name three...

[RevidgeBlue]

Taking an overview, the situation isn't really that much different than when Hughes was here.

Ignoring all the media speculation, we all expected Bentley to be leaving in the close season - which he has - and we got the sort of money most people wanted.

We were all worried about the possibility of RSC leaving, in fact he seems to be one of the happiest players at Ewood at the moment.

Friedel is the only real surprise, but I think we've come out on the better side of that particular deal.

Ince has said "100%" there will be no more players leaving.

Most people said before Bentley left we needed a RB and a midfielder - we've got the RB and Villenueva.

The only problem really is that we need to secure Bentley's replacement, and probably another top quality midfielder.

We need to start showing the colour of the 20m ish we SHOULD have available, and get those two players in.

If we do that, things will suddenly start looking extremely healthy.

[joey_big_nose]

So Wenger buys bad players? Name three...

Thats a pretty easy question:

Richard Wright,

Francis Jeffers,

Pascal Cygan

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Mr Wenger seems to think he's OK. I have seen the guy play and, albeit in a completely different setting, he looks a real talent, was running games for Ghana in the African Nations. I'm not saying I know better than Paul Ince, but I'm definitely saying Wenger does.

Erm....Have Arsenal put a bid in either...?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Dunny denies Rovers 'disharmony'.

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Sport/News...britain-locale/

[incecticide]

Thats a pretty easy question:

Richard Wright,

Francis Jeffers,

Pascal Cygan

Set myself up for a fall there didn't I... Hoyte could be added to that list.

I'm not sure they were bad players, just didn't take their chance at the top level. Wenger's unsuccessful signings are far, far outnumbered by his runaway successes. If Annan signs for Arsenal and flops, I doubt Ince will adopt the "I told you so" routine.

Erm....Have Arsenal put a bid in either...?

There is confirmed interest.