[Archived] Bad News Britain

[yoda]

Yes but you have to take into account that all our gaols are full! So what else can we do?

Out source some jails in say India, like they do with call centres, think of the money saved

[RovertheHill]

Speak for yourself.

For those in secure employment or in well funded pensions schemes and with cash in the bank this is a wonderful time to be buying assets at bargain prices. Some of the country's institutions have been badly managed but there is nothing new in that. Australia is a tiny resources-based economy and will suffer as much if not worse than everyone else.

The only disillusionment around here is with Rovers and the way the club has been managed. If Rovers somehow manage to escape relegation we'll all be feeling a whole lot better.

No such thing as a secure job or safe pension any more (unless you are ex-CEO of a failed bank it seems ). But I agree, it is a good time to buy - the trick is to get back to long-term investing rather than the ridiculous short-term view that has taken hold these last few decades

[gillibrand]

If Lord Ahmed's phone records show he stopped texting 3 kilometres earlier, the phone records would not show up if he was in the motion of composing a text , and what has the fact the guy had been drinking got to do with it, he was stationary, it was obvious Ahmed was not watching the road like the judge said about the waggon driver who killed the family in the case last month?

[den]

If Lord Ahmed's phone records show he stopped texting 3 kilometres earlier, the phone records would not show up if he was in the motion of composing a text ,

You can't nail a guy because of something he "might" have been doing!

[yoda]

You can't nail a guy because of something he "might" have been doing!

you can, its called intent!

[den]

you can, its called intent!

You got to prove he "was" doing it first Yoda. Methink you misunderstood.

[gillibrand]

The waggon driver who ran into the back of the family car was found guilty because he may have been looking at his laptop to find a different route it was alleged?

[BuckyRover]

Yes but he killed an entire young family.

Mr Ahmed killed a drink driver, I thought we hated those anyway?

[den]

The waggon driver who ran into the back of the family car was found guilty because he may have been looking at his laptop to find a different route it was alleged?

No, he was found guilty of causing death by careless driving.

Stop making things up Gillibrand.

[gillibrand]

The lap top incident was part of the evidence that convicted him, also the car Ahmed hit killing the driver was stationary, other cars had already avoided hitting it full on, so it could have been anyone in the car the out come would have been the same, why are you trying to defend this moron?

[den]

The lap top incident was part of the evidence that convicted him, why are you trying to defend this moron?

Don't be childish.

He wasn't convicted because he was looking at his laptop. It was suggested by the police that he "may" have been looking at it. There was no evidence that he was looking at it.

and this is what I'm taking you up on:

If Lord Ahmed's phone records show he stopped texting 3 kilometres earlier, the phone records would not show up if he was in the motion of composing a text

You can't convict anyone on something he "might" have been doing. What he is guilty of, is causing death by careless driving. Just pointing you in the right direction.

[thenodrog]

Out source some jails in say India, like they do with call centres, think of the money saved

A suggestion that I've made many times Yoda. My choice would be to offer the govts of the poorest and least populated countries in order to help their economy. Western Sahara, Mongolia, Greenland and south Georgia spring readily to mind. .............Would save the country a bloody fortune, would be a proper deterrent and the scallies'd have a sh1t hard job getting relatives to bring in their drugs over there!

[yoda]

A suggestion that I've made many times Yoda. My choice would be to offer the govts of the poorest and least populated countries in order to help their economy. Western Sahara, Mongolia, Greenland and south Georgia spring readily to mind. .............Would save the country a bloody fortune, would be a proper deterrent and the scallies'd have a sh1t hard job getting relatives to bring in their drugs over there!

I remember suggesting it some years back on here theno' and the PC police had palpitations

something about rights, ffs

conveniently forgeting about victim rights!

[thenodrog]

I remember suggesting it some years back on here theno' and the PC police had palpitations

something about rights, ffs

conveniently forgeting about victim rights!

I don't particularly believe in 'rights' Yoda.

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

Laughing all the way to the bank....

No such thing as a safe pension any more (unless you are ex-CEO of a failed bank it seems ).

The smirking chap in the picture above is Sir Fred Goodwin, the failed former Royal Bank of Scotland chief executive, who is benefiting from a massive £16m pension pot and is already drawing £650,000 a year.

Given the nickname "Fred the Shred" for his previous cost-cutting measures and given a knighthood under Tony Blair in 2004, Sir Fred was apparently a friend and ally of Gordon Brown and one of the PM's favourite businessmen. But his disastrous strategy at the Royal Bank Of Scotland left the company ruined with a massive £24bn loss last year - the single largest in British corporate history. The bank is now 70% owned by the Government.

Goodwin earned £4m in both 2006 and 2007, much of it paid in bonuses. He is refusing to pay back the bonuses he earned before the proverbial hit the fan in 2007. Sir Fred has been accused of megalomania by some RBS shareholders and is now rejecting all calls to give up any of his £650,000-a-year pension.

Chancellor Alistair Darling has asked Goodwin to hand back some of the pension money, but he is stubbornly refusing to give up any of it. As Sir Fred was the chief architect in presiding over the RBS's disastrous losses, I think people are entitled to be very concerned at how he is being so richly financially rewarded for his failures.

Sir Fred, who was previously reluctant to come clean about the full extent of the RBS losses, said in a letter to the Treasury: "I hope that you can understand my rationale for declining your request to voluntarily reduce my pension entitlement".

Well I can understand it - because I think he's a greedy bugger - but I don't agree with Sir Fred's stubborness. Given the catastrophic mess that he helped to create, I also feel it would be appropriate now if Fred were to be stripped of his knighthood. Lester Piggot lost his OBE in the 1980s for tax evasion and although what Goodwin did wasn't criminal in the same sense as Lester Piggot, Sir Fred has neverthless been one of the people responsible for inflicting enormous damage and financial meltdown in the country.

Sir Fred's former friend Gordon Brown now says: "I'm very angry about what happened at the Royal Bank of Scotland." The Prime Minister, in my opinion, should now be making moves to strip the knighthood from Fred. The most incompetent former chief executive of a company in British history doesn't deserve to have a knighthood "for services to banking."

The link below is an interesting (although quite lengthy) article by the Guardian's City editor, who has identified the twenty-five people who were at the heart of the financial meltdown - Sir Fred Goodwin being one of the 25 guilty men.

Link: The 25 people at the heart of the road to ruin.

Back to Lord Ahmed....

If Lord Ahmed's phone records show he stopped texting 3 kilometres earlier, the phone records would not show up if he was in the motion of composing a text

As Lord Ahmed had been both sending and receiving texts for what the judge called "a repeated and prolonged period of time" I think it's a possibility that he may have been in the act of composing another text at the time of the crash - which the phone records may not have shown up.

However, the court has to try to deal in facts rather than possibilities. What we do know - in terms of facts - is that Lord Ahmed's dangerous driving on the motorway was highly irresponsible. He admitted to the court that he sent and received five text messages on his phone while driving on the motorway.

Given that Lord Ahmed was made a Justice of the Peace in 1992, a man of Ahmed's background should certainly have been aware of how irresponsible his dangerous driving and texting on the motorway was.

I feel that Ahmed should be stripped of his peerage and Sir Fred Goodwin stripped of his knighthood. Both men are selfish individuals.

[colin]

Given that Lord Ahmed was made a Justice of the Peace in 1992, a man of Ahmed's background should certainly have been aware of how irresponsible his dangerous driving and texting on the motorway was.

Now that's a non sequitur if ever I read one.

[RovertheHill]

Laughing all the way to the bank....

The smirking chap in the picture above is Sir Fred Goodwin, the failed former Royal Bank of Scotland chief executive, who is benefiting from a massive £16m pension pot and is already drawing £650,000 a year.

I feel that Ahmed should be stripped of his peerage and Sir Fred Goodwin stripped of his knighthood. Both men are selfish individuals.

I agree that they should be stripped of their honours - both do not deserve any kind of honour.

Unfortunately, and maybe it's just the world today, people seem to be out for what they can get and bugger the consequences for everyone else. How the guy can show his face is beyond me but no doubt the old boys club will rally round. It all stinks to high heaven but it's not the first time and won't be the last.

[thenodrog]

Sounds like another smug freeloader on an over inflated pension by the sound of it. A micro mini Fred Goodwin possibly? http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=736060

Dip your bread and slit their throats at the same time Jim! You are more right wing than St Margaret ever knew how to be. In fact the epitomy of the socialist theory put into practice.

[SouthAussieRover]

Sounds like another smug freeloader on an over inflated pension by the sound of it. A micro mini Fred Goodwin possibly? http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=736060

Dip your bread and slit their throats at the same time Jim! You are more right wing than St Margaret ever knew how to be. In fact the epitomy of the socialist theory put into practice.

Mind you the executives here are like pigs in the trough.

This lot awarded themselves large payrises before sacking their workers and relocating to Asia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02...ection=business

And Sol gets a $20 million golden handshake:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...002-664,00.html

[thenodrog]

[gillibrand]

Just been goggle searching about lord ahmed, he seems like a real!

[thenodrog]

Laughing all the way to the bank....

The smirking chap in the picture above is Sir Fred Goodwin, the failed former Royal Bank of Scotland chief executive, who is benefiting from a massive £16m pension pot and is already drawing £650,000 a year.

Given the nickname "Fred the Shred" for his previous cost-cutting measures and given a knighthood under Tony Blair in 2004, Sir Fred was apparently a friend and ally of Gordon Brown and one of the PM's favourite businessmen. But his disastrous strategy at the Royal Bank Of Scotland left the company ruined with a massive £24bn loss last year - the single largest in British corporate history. The bank is now 70% owned by the Government.

Goodwin earned £4m in both 2006 and 2007, much of it paid in bonuses. He is refusing to pay back the bonuses he earned before the proverbial hit the fan in 2007. Sir Fred has been accused of megalomania by some RBS shareholders and is now rejecting all calls to give up any of his £650,000-a-year pension.

Chancellor Alistair Darling has asked Goodwin to hand back some of the pension money, but he is stubbornly refusing to give up any of it. As Sir Fred was the chief architect in presiding over the RBS's disastrous losses, I think people are entitled to be very concerned at how he is being so richly financially rewarded for his failures.

Sir Fred, who was previously reluctant to come clean about the full extent of the RBS losses, said in a letter to the Treasury: "I hope that you can understand my rationale for declining your request to voluntarily reduce my pension entitlement".

Well I can understand it - because I think he's a greedy bugger - but I don't agree with Sir Fred's stubborness. Given the catastrophic mess that he helped to create, I also feel it would be appropriate now if Fred were to be stripped of his knighthood. Lester Piggot lost his OBE in the 1980s for tax evasion and although what Goodwin did wasn't criminal in the same sense as Lester Piggot, Sir Fred has neverthless been one of the people responsible for inflicting enormous damage and financial meltdown in the country.

Sir Fred's former friend Gordon Brown now says: "I'm very angry about what happened at the Royal Bank of Scotland." The Prime Minister, in my opinion, should now be making moves to strip the knighthood from Fred. The most incompetent former chief executive of a company in British history doesn't deserve to have a knighthood "for services to banking."

The link below is an interesting (although quite lengthy) article by the Guardian's City editor, who has identified the twenty-five people who were at the heart of the financial meltdown - Sir Fred Goodwin being one of the 25 guilty men.

Link: The 25 people at the heart of the road to ruin.

Back to Lord Ahmed....

As Lord Ahmed had been both sending and receiving texts for what the judge called "a repeated and prolonged period of time" I think it's a possibility that he may have been in the act of composing another text at the time of the crash - which the phone records may not have shown up.

However, the court has to try to deal in facts rather than possibilities. What we do know - in terms of facts - is that Lord Ahmed's dangerous driving on the motorway was highly irresponsible. He admitted to the court that he sent and received five text messages on his phone while driving on the motorway.

Given that Lord Ahmed was made a Justice of the Peace in 1992, a man of Ahmed's background should certainly have been aware of how irresponsible his dangerous driving and texting on the motorway was.

I feel that Ahmed should be stripped of his peerage and Sir Fred Goodwin stripped of his knighthood. Both men are selfish individuals.

What did happen to Callan and Toby Meres? They'd have it sorted in a craic. Leave the pension alone but terminate the life. Simple.

Or have they been pensioned off on a civil servant pension too?

[American]

Mind you the executives here are like pigs in the trough.

This lot awarded themselves large payrises before sacking their workers and relocating to Asia.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02...ection=business

And Sol gets a $20 million golden handshake:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...002-664,00.html

But, according to your football federation, they were already located in Asia!

[SouthAussieRover]

But, according to your football federation, they were already located in Asia!

It's been a long time since football has been part of the real world.

[leftfooter]

Surprised to read the 'moderate' Moslem criminal Nazir Ahmed is facing expulsion from the Labour Party. After all he personifies virtually what the entire so-called liberal-European leftists stand for.

Waving the green flag for Islam in one hand, and the red flag of mindless state controlled totalitarianism in the other (not for him – just for everybody else of course) this malignant Narcissist supports anti-blasphemy legislation (aka Islamic thought control) whilst embracing nasty anti-Semites such as Jöran Jermas.

When not officiating over such neo-Nazi style hate-fests in the House Of Lords, he's busy organising banning orders for those committing the soon-to-be crime of insulting Islam, whilst alluding to vague threats of violence should he not get his way. Apparently Salman Rushdie has 'blood on his hands' 'cos a bunch of ingrates decided to go on the rampage in Karachi (and Bolton) over a book that none of them had ever even read. That's Lord Ahmed for you.

Let's see: intellectually inferior; completely lacking in morals, 'religiously' obligatied to hound other Parliamentarians whilst shamelessly living an absolutely hypocritical double life as the worst kind of political and now criminal parasite. …he needn't worry; should Labour belatedly show some backbone and expel him, there will surely be a 'safe house' waiting for him in the Liberal Party.

It's weird how the Leftist negationists and mindless multi-culturalists immediately turn their ire on Smiffy just for raising the matter. Then again, maybe not.