[Archived] Paul Robinson

[BuckyRover]

How exactly would an "error" be factored into this calculation?

It is not a statistic, it is an opinion.

[RevidgeBlue]

  tony gale's mic said:

It's not my job to suggest replacements - it should've been down to the scouts and manager to find someone better but there's been countless better goalkeepers bought in the Premiership for less money over the last few years. Who would've suggested Friedel before we bought him?

He's not a superb keeper, he's made mistakes in games already (Sunderland, Liverpool, Everton to name three off the top of my head), hasn't been particularly great on crosses, his positioning has let him down a bit at times too. He's been a good shot stopper, but certainly can't be labelled as "superb". Reina, Friedel, Jaaskeleinen, Schwarzer and several others are superb keepers. Robinson is an OK keeper, not awful but not great either.

Don't slate Robinson without suggesting a suitable replacement - that's daft.

Out of the list of keepers you mention I certainly wouldn't class Reina or Schwarzer as "superb" - I'd take Robinson over them every day of the week, and I'd still take Robinson over Friedel because of the age thing.

As for yesterday, harsh in the extreme to blame Robinson for either goal imo.

But then Ince signed him so obviously it's ok.

[BuckyRover]

  Jan said:

As you were one of the last apologists for Ince whose tongue was so far up his blow-hole it came out of his mouth, you'll forgive if I take nothing you say seriously.

And Paul Robinson will not even be Rovers no 1 in 2 years time.

You don't think Allardyce will get this team relegated do you?

It is called supporting the manager. Something that seems to pass you by. Maybe if you went to a few games you might understand football a bit more.

[cruz]

Robinson is at best a flapping buffoon. Sadly we are stuck with him. The best we can hope for is that someone beats it out of him.

Say, for every cross he unnecessarily comes out for he gets a punch in the gob. That should do it.

[grizfoot]

  tony gale's mic said:

It's not my job to suggest replacements - it should've been down to the scouts and manager to find someone better but there's been countless better goalkeepers bought in the Premiership for less money over the last few years. Who would've suggested Friedel before we bought him?

He's not a superb keeper, he's made mistakes in games already (Sunderland, Liverpool, Everton to name three off the top of my head), hasn't been particularly great on crosses, his positioning has let him down a bit at times too. He's been a good shot stopper, but certainly can't be labelled as "superb". Reina, Friedel, Jaaskeleinen, Schwarzer and several others are superb keepers. Robinson is an OK keeper, not awful but not great either.

You ruin your arguement by labelling Reina as a 'superb' keeper, he's error prone and only has so many clean sheets because of the strong Liverpool defense he has infront of him.

I find it a bit confusing that so many critise Robbo, he has been one of our better performers this season in my opinion and he is in the top half of best Premiership keepers. Cech, Given, Friedel and Jaaskeleinen are clearly the best four keepers in the Premiership Robbo would come in close behind them if you were to rank the Premiership goalkeepers.

Also like to add he had no chance of saving either of thoose goals yesterday. Robinho controlled the ball and flicked it in the corner in an instant for the last City goal, no keeper in the world would have prevented that going in.

[tony gale's mic]

  RevidgeBlue said:

Don't slate Robinson without suggesting a suitable replacement - that's daft.

Out of the list of keepers you mention I certainly wouldn't class Reina or Schwarzer as "superb" - I'd take Robinson over them every day of the week, and I'd still take Robinson over Friedel because of the age thing.

As for yesterday, harsh in the extreme to blame Robinson for either goal imo.

But then Ince signed him so obviously it's ok.

I'm not personally blaming Robinson for the goal yesterday - but how is it daft without suggesting a suitable replacement? I don't have anywhere near as much knowledge about the various goalkeepers of Europe and beyond as our staff should, I know that most of the keepers in the Premiership haven't actually been signed for very much at all. It was a lazy signing, Ince looked at the nearest keeper who was out of favour and signed him. He hasn't been a disaster so to claim this is some kind of anti-Ince agenda is ludicrous, but I'm contesting people who claim he's a superb keeper and one of the best in the Premiership.

Like I said those numbers above tell a story. If, for example, he was rated as tenth in the league on there and we were wondering if he was in the top 5 or 6 then there'd be room to say those numbers didn't tell the whole story. But when there's sixteen (or maybe even more) keepers rated above him, including those from teams near us, those sort of numbers would back up my argument.

[Jan]

  BuckyRover said:

You don't think Allardyce will get this team relegated do you?

It is called supporting the manager. Something that seems to pass you by. Maybe if you went to a few games you might understand football a bit more.

Cheeky little sh*t. How long have you had a season ticket? How many seasons have you attended every game and some reserve games? If the answer is none, then shut up. I booked to go away for many games this season as I despised Paul Ince and all he stood for ("University of life") and would rather spend the money I spent on driving up there on something edifying. Now the ###### has gone, I will be at most games. More, I suspect, than you will.

Toerag.

[thenodrog]

  RevidgeBlue said:

Don't slate Robinson without suggesting a suitable replacement - that's daft.

Out of the list of keepers you mention I certainly wouldn't class Reina or Schwarzer as "superb" - I'd take Robinson over them every day of the week, and I'd still take Robinson over Friedel because of the age thing.

As for yesterday, harsh in the extreme to blame Robinson for either goal imo.

But then Ince signed him so obviously it's ok.

Robinson is just about OK. Except for his kicking he's not a patch on Friedel and thats that. He will be in 10 years time of course with BF nearly 50 but no doubt we'll have replaced him by then. If he were not a Spurs player he would not have had the same caps for England that he was given. God only knows how many caps Brad would have if he were English.

In Robinsons favour he has time to improve and at the moment our priority signings are in other positions.

[BuckyRover]

  grizfoot said:

You ruin your arguement by labelling Reina as a 'superb' keeper, he's error prone and only has so many clean sheets because of the strong Liverpool defense he has infront of him.

I find it a bit confusing that so many critise Robbo, he has been one of our better performers this season in my opinion and he is in the top half of best Premiership keepers. Cech, Given, Friedel and Jaaskeleinen are clearly the best four keepers in the Premiership Robbo would come in close behind them if you were to rank the Premiership goalkeepers.

Also like to add he had no chance of saving either of thoose goals yesterday. Robinho controlled the ball and flicked it in the corner in an instant for the last City goal, no keeper in the world would have prevented that going in.

Friedel would, Friedel would, I hate Paul Ince. *ad infinitum"

  Jan said:

Cheeky little sh*t. How long have you had a season ticket? How many seasons have you attended every game and some reserve games? If the answer is none, then shut up. I booked to go away for many games this season as I despised Paul Ince and all he stood for ("University of life") and would rather spend the money I spent on driving up there on something edifying. Now the ###### has gone, I will be at most games. More, I suspect, than you will.

Toerag.

I thought personal insults were banned. That is two in two posts.

You are a bigot. You judged Paul Ince before he had time to settle into his role, your only saving grace is that you were proved right (in a way).

I am looking forward to him doing well in a new job and then we can all agree that it was circumstance that went against rather than him being incompetent.

For the mean time I guess I will have to listen to your smug self indignation.

[S15]

  tony gale's mic said:

I'm not personally blaming Robinson for the goal yesterday - but how is it daft without suggesting a suitable replacement? I don't have anywhere near as much knowledge about the various goalkeepers of Europe and beyond as our staff should, I know that most of the keepers in the Premiership haven't actually been signed for very much at all. It was a lazy signing, Ince looked at the nearest keeper who was out of favour and signed him. He hasn't been a disaster so to claim this is some kind of anti-Ince agenda is ludicrous, but I'm contesting people who claim he's a superb keeper and one of the best in the Premiership.

Like I said those numbers above tell a story. If, for example, he was rated as tenth in the league on there and we were wondering if he was in the top 5 or 6 then there'd be room to say those numbers didn't tell the whole story. But when there's sixteen (or maybe even more) keepers rated above him, including those from teams near us, those sort of numbers would back up my argument.

That's a very good post IMO.

I think the biggest problem we had having appointed Ince was that we has appointed a manager who can't have watched enough Premier League football over the past 5 years, due to his playing and management commitments. The only way he could have compensated for this would have been by either surrounding himself with the correct staff, or by having a great natual flair and aura for management.

He did/had neither.

As I previously stated I was behind Ince with this until a couple of months into the season. I was lazy in my thought process, but that's okay, I'm a fan. Ince making such a monumental mistake which is unforgivable, and I believe it was with this decision he wrote his own obituary.

[jim mk2]

  thenodrog said:

God only knows how many caps Brad would have if he were English.

Not many because he played for Rovers - and would have been snapped up by another club anyway.

  thenodrog said:

In Robinsons favour he has time to improve .

But is he improving ? His confidence should be returning through regular games he didn't get at Spurs but he does not dominate the 6-yard box like a goalkeeper of his stature should and he seems unable to get down to low shots near his body. Friedel compensated for his declining athleticism by spreading himself but Robinson does neither one nor the other.

[Jan]

  BuckyRover said:

Friedel would, Friedel would, I hate Paul Ince. *ad infinitum"

I thought personal insults were banned. That is two in two posts.

You are a bigot. You judged Paul Ince before he had time to settle into his role, your only saving grace is that you were proved right (in a way).

I am looking forward to him doing well in a new job and then we can all agree that it was circumstance that went against rather than him being incompetent.

For the mean time I guess I will have to listen to your smug self indignation.

I judged Paul Ince correctly. End of story. I just did it as soon as he opened his mouth as our manager, although I was pretty sure he wasn't up to it before then. I look forward to Paul Ince being the next Bryan Robson.

[BuckyRover]

  shillito15 said:

That's a very good post IMO.

I think the biggest problem we had having appointed Ince was that we has appointed a manager who can't have watched enough Premier League football over the past 5 years, due to his playing and management commitments. The only way he could have compensated for this would have been by either surrounding himself with the correct staff, or by having a great natual flair and aura for management.

He did/had neither.

As I previously stated I was behind Ince with this until a couple of months into the season. I was lazy in my thought process, but that's okay, I'm a fan. Ince making such a monumental mistake which is unforgivable, and I believe it was with this decision he wrote his own obituary.

I personally believe the major mistake that overrode all the others was his choice of backroom staff. If he had brought qualified coaches in to help him (like Hughes and Sam) then a LOT of pressure would have been taken from his shoulders.

Oh well, I am sure he won't make that mistake again (I think John Williams should have insisted he did it anyway)

[John]

Ince obviously did the job as best as he could. However, as much as I admire and like JW, I find it intertesting that most folk do not criticise him and the board for appointing Ince in the first place.

Ince said it himself back in the summer, he could not believe he was appointed considering who he was up against.

[Jan]

  John said:

Ince obviously did the job as best as he could. However, as much as I admire and like JW, I find it intertesting that most folk do not criticise him and the board for appointing Ince in the first place.

Ince said it himself back in the summer, he could not believe he was appointed considering who he was up against.

I think people could see what he was trying to do, albeit that he chose a completely useless fool to do it with. The big criticism I have is that he took too long to sack him. That showed a lack of nous and a lot of inexperience in real management. It is easy to be a chairman when you have a great employee, more difficult whe you've appointed a donkey- how to get out of it without looking foolish- hence the prevarication in the vain hope that the dolt might prove some level of competence.

The Ince episode has seriously dented my faith in Williams.

[thenodrog]

  John said:

Ince obviously did the job as best as he could. However, as much as I admire and like JW, I find it intertesting that most folk do not criticise him and the board for appointing Ince in the first place.

I bllody well did as soon as his name was even mentioned, and I was roundly criticised for my troubles by 'dreamers' and the CM brigade.

For some reason people like to think that a top player will automatically make a top manager despite continued proof otherwise. One needs to judge the man not the player.

[BuckyRover]

I judged him based on his record at Macclesfield and MK Dons.

I didn't really have time for him as a player.

[tony gale's mic]

  BuckyRover said:

I judged him based on his record at Macclesfield and MK Dons.

I didn't really have time for him as a player.

And we, perfectly justifably, judged the fact that his only experience of management was down in the basement, a completely different proposition to managing a Premier League side.

[BuckyRover]

I agree. But if you can "pick up" lower league management quickly than presumably it is not impossible to do the same with the Premier League, especially if you have played at the top level before.

Ince had no experience of lower league management when he was appointed Macclesfield manager yet that did not hinder him.

In hindsight it was a bad decision, but it could have turned out differently.

[ABBEY]

  BuckyRover said:

Friedel would, Friedel would, I hate Paul Ince. *ad infinitum"

I thought personal insults were banned. That is two in two posts.

You are a bigot. You judged Paul Ince before he had time to settle into his role, your only saving grace is that you were proved right (in a way).

I am looking forward to him doing well in a new job and then we can all agree that it was circumstance that went against rather than him being incompetent.

For the mean time I guess I will have to listen to your smug self indignation.

she makes me laugh...when i asked her how long she had been a rover she said it didnt matter that i was a fan since i was born in 67.

I wouldnt mind but rovers are not her real team and if she spent millions coming it would matter not one iota as she is a celtic fan first rovers second.

[tony gale's mic]

  BuckyRover said:

I agree. But if you can "pick up" lower league management quickly than presumably it is not impossible to do the same with the Premier League, especially if you have played at the top level before.

Ince had no experience of lower league management when he was appointed Macclesfield manager yet that did not hinder him.

In hindsight it was a bad decision, but it could have turned out differently.

It is not impossible to get Jo Schmo from the Sunday Leagues who led team X to a miraculous escape from relegation to do the same in the Premier League. But highly unlikely. Hell I bet even some of the managers in those leagues will have more badges and qualifications for the job than Ince did.

It was a bad decision at the time that was more likely than not to end in disaster.

[ABBEY]

  ABBEY said:

robbo....your turn

still your turn jal...who is #01

[S15]

James, Kirkland, and even Joe Hart are better keepers than Robinson IMO.

[ABBEY]

james?? do me a favour

kirkland ?? sick note longeer than dunn and grella

hart?? not convinced at all

[John]

Schwarzer better than Robbo as well? He has been getting some rave reviews so far this season.