[Archived] Paul Robinson

[Exiled in Toronto]

I judged Paul Ince correctly. End of story. I just did it as soon as he opened his mouth as our manager, although I was pretty sure he wasn't up to it before then. I look forward to Paul Ince being the next Bryan Robson.

You called a yes/no question based on prejudice in which the odds were always heavily stacked for 'no' and consider yourself smarter than people who didn't prejudge? Good for you; smugness is so attractive a virtue.

Good job your insightful views weren't listened to by anybody when Souness was appointed, or could any doofuss e.g. Ince/Kidd have got us promoted and won a trophy?

Move on.

[ABBEY]

Cheeky little sh*t. How long have you had a season ticket? How many seasons have you attended every game and some reserve games? If the answer is none, then shut up. I booked to go away for many games this season as I despised Paul Ince and all he stood for ("University of life") and would rather spend the money I spent on driving up there on something edifying. Now the ###### has gone, I will be at most games. More, I suspect, than you will.

Toerag.

would you be attending if we had appointed soey??

and with this rant it should be at least a 75% warning ...2 swear words and a personal insult as well...

id bet it isnt tho.

[Tris]

Cheeky little sh*t. How long have you had a season ticket? How many seasons have you attended every game and some reserve games? If the answer is none, then shut up.

Pathetic. Withdrawing support for 2 managers out of the last 4 shows how little you support the Rovers. You only attend any game if you fancy one of the full backs.

Oh, and next time you're going to leak private emails to the press, check the spelling of each and every word before you copy and paste. The one word nailed you good and proper.

[Mc Love]

Very cold thread!

[philipl]

Pathetic. Withdrawing support for 2 managers out of the last 4 shows how little you support the Rovers. You only attend any game if you fancy one of the full backs.

Oh, and next time you're going to leak private emails to the press, check the spelling of each and every word before you copy and paste. The one word nailed you good and proper.

And there I was thinking Tris couldn't spell correctly!

Oh what fun.

[Jan]

Pathetic. Withdrawing support for 2 managers out of the last 4 shows how little you support the Rovers. You only attend any game if you fancy one of the full backs.

Oh, and next time you're going to leak private emails to the press, check the spelling of each and every word before you copy and paste. The one word nailed you good and proper.

As with tabloid journalists, you take some facets of what has happened and concoct a story round it. Similar to them, you are accurate, but misleading.

I Pm'd the message to those who asked. I didn't think about who they were- just that they were fellow concerned rovers- unlike yourself who would have supported the management right down the toilet. There is critical support and there is unquestioning support. I have the former, you have the latter. History will show me as the sensible one and you as the one who wasn't. In both cases. (Incidentally as the email was typed by, or at least sent by, his PA and you say there is a spelling mistake, does that mean that the either the chairman or his PA doesn't know how to spell or how to use the spell checker? Interesting)

I withdrew physical support because I didn't want to go and raise my blood pressure watching dreadful performances with no heart or skill. This I did in Souey's last season and Ince's only games. Was I wrong? No. Were we totally dreadful then? Yes. Would the answer have been different if it wasn't 3 hours each way and diesel costs to do it? Probably not.

I stand by both decisions. It was right that both managers went, and both managers went later than they should have. You and the other persons slating me will never know what it is to be in management, but I assure you that if you were, you would know that the requirement is to spot a bad apple and get rid before it rots the rest. John Williams was singularly lax in both, and as such I do worry about the future with him in overall charge, however chummy you may be with him.

Here's hoping that Sam has stopped the rot. He was never my choice in the Summer, but given the disaster that was Ince, he was the best hope for the job when it eventually became available.

And to answer, no I don't think that ANYONE could have taken us to a promotion (I will never believe the Worthy cup was down to his tactics. He never showed that tactical nouse before or after that game), but there were better managers than Souness available who could, without the fall-out.

[modes98]

I count sixteen goalkeepers in that top 100, but no Robbo. For me this says it all.

I would think that is due to the amount of goals we have let in. Just a guess mind you! Not down to the saves he makes or in fact much else.

James, Kirkland, and even Joe Hart are better keepers than Robinson IMO.

James is poor when it is struck straight at him, brilliant in moments and then suicidial. I would not like to have him in goal for us.

Kirkland is injured more than David Dunn. Even saying that his shot stopping ability is a little suspect.

Hart is a better version of Kasper Schmeichel, he has some potential but must develop. He can't judge crosses and is often caught in no mans land when caught on the hop. I would say he is most like Robinson from your 3.

Robinson is a very good keeper. He has weaknessess, but all players do. It is a case of our defence playing well enough to stop the attacks and not rely upon our keeper, something that has not happened this season.

I would still say that neither of the goals against City were his fault but he could have saved them had he been positioned differently, yet you can say that of any goal scored against any team. Poor Defending is costing us goals, not Paul Robinson. Ooijer with his header straight to their unmarked attacker and then leaving a £30m+ striker unmarked about 12 yards from goal.

[JAL]

still your turn jal...who is #01

I think its going to be a few seasons on from now to be able to give a fairly accurate answer to that Abbey. I feel safe to say the Scot Carson can or should be ruled out of any talk about being Englands number one as for me hes a poorer keeper than Paul Robinson is.

Question is can Joe Hart maintain his position in the City team and improve along with their team and push himself into contention for a England slot - I dont really know.

Going back to the audience with the stars evening, Paul Robinson talked about how he thought Ben Foster at Man United was an excellent keeper and rated him very highly but after seeing some of the goals he conceded against us in the Carling cup he doesnt inspire me maybe he needs to be playing regular first team football as hes 25 years of age and no longer a kid.

All in all Englands goalies look a much of a muchness unless theres some unpolished diamond playing in the lower leagues thats going to come through we will just have to patient for now but for Robbo i'd like to hear the Ewood crowd chant his name rather than Englands number one all the time for me I'd feel far more comfortable with that.

[MCMC1875]

On it goes!

[S15]

Abbey and Modes, I feel your opinion on Robsinson and the other keepers is largely biased, and my only other counter argument is if Capello though he was the best, he'd be Englands number one.

And no politics can be pointed to, as all Englands keepers play for mid size/small top flight clubs... Which says it all in itself.

[Bobby G]

English keepers have dropped back in quality over the years.

The last quality ones on a world level to come through were arguably Martyn and Seaman.

Robinson had more potential than the lot of them based upon his early form for Leeds when only 20-21. But I cant for the life of me see how he has become a less able keeper now than initially when he was saving everything being thrown at him.

[S15]

Hundreds of players looked better in their late teens/early 20s than they did by there mid to late 20s..

It's called failing to live up to potential.

[JC4LAB]

Marvellous stopper but stays on his line all the time when sometimes I just think he could be collecting a cross.Wish he could collect more crosses ..Samba and Nelson seem to have it all to do..

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Marvellous stopper but stays on his line all the time when sometimes I just think he could be collecting a cross.Wish he could collect more crosses ..Samba and Nelson seem to have it all to do..

IMO he does not dominate his area or his defence as much as he should, but if everyone knows he is going to stay on his line then his defence know they have to deal with it. The problem comes if sometimes he comes, sometime he doesn't or if he comes and misses.

Rovers problem is a problem that Theno spotted after Big Sam's first game is that players are going for the same ball. This was highlighted with City's first goal.

[dave birch]

As with tabloid journalists, you take some facets of what has happened and concoct a story round it. Similar to them, you are accurate, but misleading.

I Pm'd the message to those who asked. I didn't think about who they were- just that they were fellow concerned rovers- unlike yourself who would have supported the management right down the toilet. There is critical support and there is unquestioning support. I have the former, you have the latter. History will show me as the sensible one and you as the one who wasn't. In both cases. (Incidentally as the email was typed by, or at least sent by, his PA and you say there is a spelling mistake, does that mean that the either the chairman or his PA doesn't know how to spell or how to use the spell checker? Interesting)

I withdrew physical support because I didn't want to go and raise my blood pressure watching dreadful performances with no heart or skill. This I did in Souey's last season and Ince's only games. Was I wrong? No. Were we totally dreadful then? Yes. Would the answer have been different if it wasn't 3 hours each way and diesel costs to do it? Probably not.

I stand by both decisions. It was right that both managers went, and both managers went later than they should have. You and the other persons slating me will never know what it is to be in management, but I assure you that if you were, you would know that the requirement is to spot a bad apple and get rid before it rots the rest. John Williams was singularly lax in both, and as such I do worry about the future with him in overall charge, however chummy you may be with him.

Here's hoping that Sam has stopped the rot. He was never my choice in the Summer, but given the disaster that was Ince, he was the best hope for the job when it eventually became available.

And to answer, no I don't think that ANYONE could have taken us to a promotion (I will never believe the Worthy cup was down to his tactics. He never showed that tactical nouse before or after that game), but there were better managers than Souness available who could, without the fall-out.

Jan, I only worry about that which I can affect change to. Anything other than that is only a concern.

I have been in management, I have appointed people, I have sacked people. I've made some great appointments, I've made some absolutely sh1thouse ones. If I was going to make great appointments 100% of the time, then I wouldn't be here debating this point, and, if you were frank with yourself, neither would you. Like me, you'd be more interested in making more money, because that's what making great appointments does for you.

I've been supporting (following if you like) the Rovers since the 1950's, since I was a little lad. I've seen the highs and lows since then, but never once have I said I would not keep them as MY team, despite who the manager was, despite any player he brought in that I disliked. I don't have a second team, only a "first team".

You seem to be slating JW in spite of the fact that over his tenure he has brought a great deal of stability to this club. Yep, he's made mistakes, but he's made some bloody good decisions. In fact, I'd bet that his positive decisions outweigh those made by any of his counterparts in the league. It is often said that the rovers are one of the best run clubs in the country, and that players only realise this after they have left.

So, at the time, Souness was a good appointment, his leaving, at the time was good for the club, the appointment of Hughes was risky (at the time) and his departure was unfortunate, but neither you nor anyone else had any idea how the Ince tenure would unfold. You might think that you did, but it was nothing more than a 50/50 option, and this time you came up trumps.

Jan, If you know so much about football management, there are plenty of opportunities over the length of the season. I look forward to your name being on one of the managerial appointments, and being the next Karen Brady.

[thenodrog]

I Pm'd the message to those who asked.

I'm surprised at you for that. I did warn you not to forward that correspondence Jan. To distribute confidential correspondence is not only bad form it's plain daft and is hardly likely to get you any priviledged information in the future.

[jim mk2]

Pathetic. Withdrawing support for 2 managers out of the last 4 shows how little you support the Rovers. You only attend any game if you fancy one of the full backs.

Why should a Rovers fan support any manager ?

As Rovers fans we support the team in blue and white, not here-today-gone-tomorrow managers most of whom are barely competant and who in most cases could not give a flying fig about the club and jump ship at the earliest opportunity. In all my time supporting Rovers there have been only two managers who appeared to have a genuine love of the club - Jack Marshall and Bobby Saxton.

Same applies to players. There's no point supporting any of them because in the case of the better ones they will be gone within 2-3 years because they want to play for a "bigger" club. Look at Neill, Bentley, Bellamy and most likely Santa Cruz - nothing more than footballing tarts.

What is pathetic is your salivating, sycophantic support for the Rovers management even when they are leading the club to almost certain relegation. Keep licking their boots mate - it obviously suits you.

[thenodrog]

Look at Neill, Bentley, Bellamy and most likely Santa Cruz - nothing more than footballing tarts.

You've obviously overlooked the fact that that is why they came to BRFC in the first place! Leopards and spots Jim. It's the nature of the beast and always will be.

[dave birch]

Why should a Rovers fan support any manager ?

I don't often read your posts, but this one is a must.

Why should a Rovers fan support any manager?

because that MANAGER is part of the TEAM that makes up what is known as BLACKBURN ROVERS. It consists of players, management, coaches, groundspeople, cleaners et al. They all make up the team that puts 11 guys on the park so that you can watch a game of football. Without any of them it starts to fall apart.

[Al]

Cheeky little sh*t. How long have you had a season ticket? How many seasons have you attended every game and some reserve games? If the answer is none, then shut up. I booked to go away for many games this season as I despised Paul Ince and all he stood for ("University of life") and would rather spend the money I spent on driving up there on something edifying. Now the ###### has gone, I will be at most games. More, I suspect, than you will.

Toerag.

You are absolutely right with this post Jan. I had him on ignore for quite a while but when Ince was sacked I was so chuffed that I decided to forgive all and take him off. He still irritates me as many non attending 'supporters' do. He's another West Sussex Rover. Back to ignore I think.

[dave birch]

You are absolutely right with this post Jan. I had him on ignore for quite a while but when Ince was sacked I was so chuffed that I decided to forgive all and take him off. He still irritates me as many non attending 'supporters' do. He's another West Sussex Rover. Back to ignore I think.

I haven't been in a long time Al. Though I've been out of the country for some time I'll bet I've been more times than many, and in times when there were better and warmer options.

[waggy]

better keeper than robbo,paddy kenny for one ,hennesy for 2

[Pugg]

I judged Paul Ince correctly. End of story. I just did it as soon as he opened his mouth as our manager, although I was pretty sure he wasn't up to it before then. I look forward to Paul Ince being the next Bryan Robson.

Didn't you also sign the facebook petition though? So, you got that decision wrong because recent results suggest that we wouldn't be in the position we are in now if Sam had been appointed in the first place. I know you probably would have preferred Sam over Ince, but looking back it was a bad decision to sign the petiton. You also mention that you can't take someone's opinion seriously if they were an Ince apologist, but does the fact that you signed the petition mean people shouldn't take your opinion seriously now we have the man (who is hopefully saving our skin) you were so against?

ETA: I don't think people should have supported Ince right to the end, but if they want to support the manager no matter what then that's up to them. To me, there is no need to disregard every opinion they ever have afterwards, even if I think they are always wrong .

[waggy]

Didn't you also sign the facebook petition though? So, you got that decision wrong because recent results suggest that we wouldn't be in the position we are in now if Sam had been appointed in the first place. I know you probably would have preferred Sam over Ince, but looking back it was a bad decision to sign the petiton. You also mention that you can't take someone's opinion seriously if they were an Ince apologist, but does the fact that you signed the petition mean people shouldn't take your opinion seriously now we have the man (who is hopefully saving our skin) you were so against?

but her on ignore,she supports celtic

[Al]

I haven't been in a long time Al. Though I've been out of the country for some time I'll bet I've been more times than many, and in times when there were better and warmer options.

Dave, you and one or two others are the reason I changed 'all' to 'many' in that post. I know you have been a lifelong supporter and the commute from Sydney is impossible. I will always respect your opinions. (Can't guarantee to always agree with them however )