[Archived] Paul Robinson

[modes98]

Abbey and Modes, I feel your opinion on Robsinson and the other keepers is largely biased, and my only other counter argument is if Capello though he was the best, he'd be Englands number one.

I didn't say he should be Englands first choice keeper. To be honest I couldn't care less if he doesn't get picked again, he would just end up moving on anyway.

England should be looking to a young keeper and giving him the time to learn the role at the top level. That keeper is Hart IMO. Not the best keeper about but one that will do a very good job and learn alot from it. The best about at the moment is, unfortunately, David James and that tells you everything you need to know about the state of english keepers.

I think Robinson has had his shot at England and Gary Nevilles backpass has ended that for him. Unlike Scott Carson who made 2 appalling errors.

[jim mk2]

You've obviously overlooked the fact that that is why they came to BRFC in the first place! Leopards and spots Jim. It's the nature of the beast and always will be.

Agree, which is why I don't support any particular transient player, manager or the board for that matter (forgot to mention John Williams's incompetance in appointing Ince).

Anyone take a guess at the Rovers starting line-up in 5 years' time ? More than likely 11 different players and probably with a different manager at the helm. Meanwhile, the blue and white beloved team .... and the supporters.... go on.

Up the Rovers.

[CrazyIvan]

Agree, which is why I don't support any particular transient player, manager or the board for that matter (forgot to mention John Williams's incompetance in appointing Ince).

Anyone take a guess at the Rovers starting line-up in 5 years' time ? More than likely 11 different players and probably with a different manager at the helm. Meanwhile, the blue and white beloved team .... and the supporters.... go on.

Up the Rovers.

It used to be players played the game for the love of the game but now they play for the money more than the love they get. I'm sure they still enjoy playing but would they be there doing it if they were back in the 50's and 60's? Players these days only love who pays them the most. We fans watch football because we still love the game and our team. Are we the suckers here? Having said that, there are players who genuinely love this club. Take Matt Jansen and David Dunn for example. You can see Matt still loves this club and we all know Dunny loves us.

[S15]

Take Matt Jansen and David Dunn for example. You can see Matt still loves this club and we all know Dunny loves us.

Sorry to sound so morbid, but Matt Jansens' love for the club is held mainly due to the fact the club supported him fantastically through his recovery. More specifically the club carried on paying him £30,000 a week for two and a half years or so after he blatantly broke the rules of his contract in an act of absolute stupidity.

Had Jansen gone to the World Cup, he'd have been kissing a different badge within 12 months, mark my works.

[Bobby G]

Its true shilito15. There is no true loyalty left in football, unless you play for a CL team a la Chelsea, Milan, etc...

Players want success and good players will seek it where they can find it. If Dunn had been successful and went on from strength to strength there is no wa he wouldve been back and same applies to your Jansen example...

However, I must say that players rarely if ever leave us and find happier days...

[The Prof.]

Kenny for Rovers if we've any sense.

[tony gale's mic]

I would think that is due to the amount of goals we have let in. Just a guess mind you! Not down to the saves he makes or in fact much else.

The index is based on dozens of different calculations, of course conceded goals will count against a player but there's all sorts of other parameters. Newcastle have conceded just 4 less than us this season but Given is there at number 61, West Brom have just conceded 1 less than us but Carson is there at 86. Portsmouth have only conceded 3 less than us but James is at number 51. Robbo is nowhere in the top 100.

Yes the defence has played a big part but without a quality keeper behind the sticks we have suffered. Robinson isn't awful, but to rate him as one of the league's best keepers is complete and utter nonsense. It's hard to really quantify a player's performance unless they're a striker (goals) or to a lesser extent a creative player (assists), but those stats for me do a pretty good job of assessing the best players in the league.

Put it another way: How many points this season has Robinson won for us? I can think of points he's lost (Sunderland, potentially Liverpool as the floodgates opened after the Alonso goal), but how many times has he produced an outstanding performance and won us one point or three? I contest that with a better keeper, one or two of those defeats could well have been draws. With Brad in goals we would've had at least 4 matches by now IMO that he would've pulled off a string of great save to win us extra points. Robinson has had some good stops but you expect that from any keeper, but he's rarely excelled and the best keepers have a few matches over a course of a season where they become the star, regardless of the defence in front of them.

[Amo]

Its true shilito15. There is no true loyalty left in football, unless you play for a CL team a la Chelsea, Milan, etc...

But loyalty works both ways.

If a manager or player fails to perform, fans and media alike will get on their back and said employees will be booted out of the club. However, when they're going great guns, everyone wants them to stay at the club and never cast their eye elsewhere.

[modes98]

Kenny for Rovers if we've any sense.

Why? He has already helped 1 team go down, we don't want to be added to the list. He is an average keeper in a average championship team. If that's the height of your ambition keeper wise then god help us. There are far better young foreign propects out there, granted they would want to move on in a few seasons, but if you want a better keeper than Robinson that will be the area you will have to look, rather than the Championship.

Edit: Hennessy is the only keeper I can think of in the Championship who could do very well in the premiership but the Premiership awaits for Wolves anyway.

[CrazyIvan]

Sorry to sound so morbid, but Matt Jansens' love for the club is held mainly due to the fact the club supported him fantastically through his recovery. More specifically the club carried on paying him £30,000 a week for two and a half years or so after he blatantly broke the rules of his contract in an act of absolute stupidity.

Had Jansen gone to the World Cup, he'd have been kissing a different badge within 12 months, mark my works.

I agree that if either Dunn or Jansen had done better than they have done they would probably have moved on. My point was that there are two players who do genuinely love this club, nothing to do with loyalty and money. I would guess there are others who feel similarly regarding other clubs (Nolan at Bolton maybe?) but money talks. I just can't see either of Dunn or Jansen going to the press and spouting off about how they need to move on to further their careers before it happened like Bentley did at Rovers.

If Robinson can continue to improve (he still scares the cr@p out of me at times!) then there is no reason why he can't be England's first choice GK again. He will get better, he seems to have been around almost as long as Brad but he is still only 28. The best goal keeping years are ahead of him. Will he show the loyalty that others have not if he gets to be England's first choice? Goalkeepers tend not to move as often as other players but in general we can only hope that a return to some semblance of loyalty in the future occurs with football players. I doubt it will though.

[gillibrand]

but her on ignore,she supports celtic

If you but her you will get charged with assault like Gerrard!

[philipl]

Moving on from stir trissing Jan, Friedel has been very weak in the first half for Villa tonight..

[Tim Southampton Rover]

I agree with the presenters that Barmby's goal should have counted. Friedel looked pretty weak going for that ball against a shorter, lighter player. His reaction suggested that it should have counted. Comparing Friedel to Robinson lately. Robinson's been coming out and claiming with ease and looked very confident in the air in the last few games.

[thenodrog]

Comparing Friedel to Robinson lately. Robinson's been coming out and claiming with ease and looked very confident in the air in the last few games.

You obviously missed the Stoke match.

[waggy]

I don't often read your posts, but this one is a must.

Why should a Rovers fan support any manager?

because that MANAGER is part of the TEAM that makes up what is known as BLACKBURN ROVERS. It consists of players, management, coaches, groundspeople, cleaners et al. They all make up the team that puts 11 guys on the park so that you can watch a game of football. Without any of them it starts to fall apart.

easy to say that from the other side of the world dave

[tony gale's mic]

Drop him, he's pants.

Anyone still want to claim he's a good keeper?

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Nothing he could do about the first, and the second looked like a smashing lob/volley.

I might be wrong though, I've only seen it once because I was there.

[tony gale's mic]

Thing is with Robinson is that his failings aren't as obvious as some keepers, or when compared against his mistakes for Spurs. But a better keeper could have stopped the first one and his positioning was poor for the second goal. There isn't a single game I can remember this season where he had a really good game.

[CrazyIvan]

Thing is with Robinson is that his failings aren't as obvious as some keepers, or when compared against his mistakes for Spurs. But a better keeper could have stopped the first one and his positioning was poor for the second goal. There isn't a single game I can remember this season where he had a really good game.

You're being incredibly harsh on Robbo here. I'll watch again later (was at the game) but it really didn't look like there was much he could do for either goal.

[tony gale's mic]

Either way my second point still stands.

[Eddie]

9/10 no keeper in the premiership would have saved either of those. He might have tipped the first around the post, but it was a good strike and it would have required a great save to stop it from going in. As for the second, a wicked deflection took it past him, hardly something that he can be blamed for. People are looking for scapegoats and they are trying to find them in anyone who came in when Ince is here, which is stupid. The fact of the matter is that our midfield isn't good enough. The other areas of our team are pretty much fine, with the exception of right back, but with such a weak midfield any possible area of weakness or doubt in the side will be regularly exposed by a half-way motivated, organised and talented team.

[Tom]

Exactly on the second he did what any good keeper does and narrowed the angle, only a freak deflection took it past him.

True he doesn't pull off some world class saves Brad would but not many do and I can't think of many goals we've conceded in which Robbo was to blame, plus his kicking is superb and really gives us chances from nothing.

[den]

Exactly on the second he did what any good keeper does and narrowed the angle, only a freak deflection took it past him.

True he doesn't pull off some world class saves Brad would but not many do and I can't think of many goals we've conceded in which Robbo was to blame, plus his kicking is superb and really gives us chances from nothing.

TBH, TCO, his kicking is a strength of his, but a weakness of ours. I'd love him to throw it out more often and encourage the team to play along the floor and build from the back.

[ancient]

I wish he would roll the ball more too. I just look up when he catches crosses etc and dont see the full backs making space for the ball like they did when brad was keeping. Maybe its so pre-determined that he is to just launch the ball (which he does fairly well)

[Tris]

TBH, TCO, his kicking is a strength of his, but a weakness of ours. I'd love him to throw it out more often and encourage the team to play along the floor and build from the back.

I think that might go against the managers footballing philosophy. I doubt Robinson is given much of a choice in the matter!