[Archived] Paul Robinson

[incecticide]

I don't think Friedel would've saved that free kick by the way. He was always left flat-footed by decent free-kicks.

The key is the pace of the shot. The way he strikes a ball is something to behold, genuinely original and a problem that goalkeepers are still coming to terms with. The ball moves in the air while at the same time travelling at speed - something all the replays we're seeing don't do justice to.

Sometimes you just have to take a step back... and blame the referee for not sending him off earlier.

[The Prof.]

I don't think Friedel would've saved that free kick by the way. He was always left flat-footed by decent free-kicks.

The key is the pace of the shot. The way he strikes a ball is something to behold, genuinely original and a problem that goalkeepers are still coming to terms with. The ball moves in the air while at the same time travelling at speed - something all the replays we're seeing don't do justice to.

Sometimes you just have to take a step back... and blame the referee for not sending him off earlier.

And to be fair the modern balls move a lot both ways. Still.......you need to be able to catch!

[modes98]

I have seen it again and I think I was to harsh on Robbo for the free kick. There is no way Warnock should be stood there though. Give yourself time to see it and make a save.

[The Prof.]

I have seen it again and I think I was to harsh on Robbo for the free kick. There is no way Warnock should be stood there though. Give yourself time to see it and make a save.

Which is why I like to here keepers hollering from the top of the Family Stand where I sit. Asking Steven politely to move his head a little to the right ain't like no keeper I ever played with.

[Neil Weaver]

I'm not suprised cos they obviously work better than yours Neil. Just stop and pause after 32 secs. That ball was rising sure enough but I still maintain that when it passed Grella it passed at head height, albeit Grella had jumped at the time, but that is what he is supposed to do. If the 3 had been stood a yard to their left the goal could have been prevented whilst at the same time the near post would have been adequately covered from a right footed inswinger.

This might provide a clearer view from behind the kicker. Pause on 11 secs.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2122490/

It's clear that a defender retreating to the back post would not have stopped the shot either.

A career in politics beckons for you (take that as a compliment or not..........). We're not going to agree so let's leave it. Me and the video evidence are right by the way .

[RovertheHill]

The key is the pace of the shot. The way he strikes a ball is something to behold, genuinely original and a problem that goalkeepers are still coming to terms with. The ball moves in the air while at the same time travelling at speed - something all the replays we're seeing don't do justice to.

We used to call them toe-pokes when I was a kid - and you got your head kicked in for doing it

[JAL]

I can't think of a time when we've had a truly terrible keeper. We always used to have two good ones with people like Chris Pearce (probably just a bit too small) and Shay Given in reserve. This needs sorting very fast or we'll be down.

What about JOHN BUTCHER

[Shabani]

i remember alan fettis playing a few games

he was truly hopeless

[Eddie]

Fettis was a pretty decent keeper. Certainly not hopeless. He isn't remember because he fell inbetween Flowers and Friedel and was also paired along with Filan who did a good job. Robinson breaks the F-chain which is a bit of a shame.

[Amo]

Didn't Alan Kelly already break the 'F-chain'?

[Eddie]

That's true, although Kelly didn't make that many appearances in his time here. Good keeper though.

[tony gale's mic]

If we stay up, I dearly hope Bunn starts next season. Robbo will never be a good keeper for us.

[incecticide]

I actually think he already is. He CAN get better, whether he'll be the player he was five years ago is another matter but if he was he wouldn't be playing for us.

Let's not forget, he hasn't dropped any clangers or conceded any goals that even come close to the Freidel horror show on the last day of last season.

[Hughesy]

Robinson is a good keeper and IF he can get back to his old form is an absolute bargain.

Yes he flaps on crosses but thats a confidence thing. Id love to see any keeper save Ronaldo's shot that was going over 70mph, and you have 6 yards or so (by time it appear sover the wall) to see it and react. Im sorry but no way in this world would Brad or Cech of saved it!

[A cup of beans]

i heard big sam on radio lancs last night, and he definetly blamed robinson for the goal.

paraphrasing- he said he didnt get himself in a position where he could have a clear view of the ball.

as for alan fettis, i never saw him save a shot!

[Mr. E]

Robinson is a good keeper and IF he can get back to his old form is an absolute bargain.

Yes he flaps on crosses but thats a confidence thing. Id love to see any keeper save Ronaldo's shot that was going over 70mph, and you have 6 yards or so (by time it appear sover the wall) to see it and react. Im sorry but no way in this world would Brad or Cech of saved it!

Ridiculous.

If anyone saw Inter-United tonight, they know what the difference is between a good keeper and a waste of space. The Inter keeper had even more dangerous shots to deal with, including the same free-kick, but stood his ground.

The only one worse in our squad is Andrews.

[thenodrog]

Let's not forget, he hasn't dropped any clangers or conceded any goals that even come close to the Freidel horror show on the last day of last season.

He bloody well has for England!

But wash your mouth out! That was just about Brads first clanger of the season. Whatever Robinson's qualities are or are not he is not fit to lace Brads boots as a keeper. imo Freidel was in the top 3 keepers in the Prem every season since we were promoted. Only speculation but I also am of the opinion that BF would have saved Ronaldo's winner rather than waving at someone in the crowd.

[Majiball]

If anyone saw Inter-United tonight, they know what the difference is between a good keeper and a waste of space. The Inter keeper had even more dangerous shots to deal with, including the same free-kick, but stood his ground.

You mean the shot that went straight at the keeper?

I have to say its funny as everyone is harping on at Robbo for conceding, but yet the two/three who could have put the ball in the back of the net seem to have been absolved.

After last night my concerns are now far more wide spread.

[tony gale's mic]

I actually think he already is. He CAN get better, whether he'll be the player he was five years ago is another matter but if he was he wouldn't be playing for us.

Let's not forget, he hasn't dropped any clangers or conceded any goals that even come close to the Freidel horror show on the last day of last season.

He also hasn't had a single game when he's won us points, and he has dropped clangers...Sunderland being a prime example where he cost us points. Also conceded very soft goals vs Liverpool and Everton this season, which would be okay if he had even one game where he won us points by putting in an excellent performance.

Now that Hull have dropped Myhill to the bench he has the worst saves to shots of any first choice keeper in this league. He's lagging quite far behind the other keepers around us, let alone Friedel. And that doesn't even take into account his ability on crosses.

His best form was when Leeds were in the Champions League. That was so long ago its not even funny. Even when he was doing relatively well for Spurs we're still talking three years ago.

It was a lazy signing, £3.5 million is actually a fair amount to pay for a keeper since they generally command lower transfer fees - probably the equivalent of £5-6 million for an outfield player. I'm sure there wouldve been far better options around Europe had Ince bothered to send a few scouts out rather than snapping up the nearest available.

[thenodrog]

I'm sure there wouldve been far better options around Europe had Ince bothered to send a few scouts out rather than snapping up the nearest available.

How on earth would Paul Ince know any european player that would suit our requirement and specification? The only european footballers he's met or seen in the flesh would likely have been in a bar in Portugal.

[incecticide]

He bloody well has for England!

I was talking about for us...

That was just about Brads first clanger of the season. Whatever Robinson's qualities are or are not he is not fit to lace Brads boots as a keeper.

I respectfully disagree. As I've stated on here before (and you've disagreed ) it is my opinion that Brad's game had been deteriorating for two or three years. The stunning saves were still there, but the amount of goals he conceded from free-kicks showed his growing inability to adjust his feet, while all too often we conceded goals where he was simply left flat-footed watching the ball float into the corner.

He also hasn't had a single game when he's won us points

I respectfully disagree (again). He's made saves this season in games where we've narrowly picked up points - therefore he has contributed as much to those points being earned as the strikers who have scored the goals at the other end.

Now that Hull have dropped Myhill to the bench he has the worst saves to shots of any first choice keeper in this league.

Can't argue there. But as I've already said, he can get better, I hope he will.

I'm sure there wouldve been far better options around Europe had Ince bothered to send a few scouts out rather than snapping up the nearest available.

Speculation your honour.

[Hughesy]

Ridiculous.

If anyone saw Inter-United tonight, they know what the difference is between a good keeper and a waste of space. The Inter keeper had even more dangerous shots to deal with, including the same free-kick, but stood his ground.

The only one worse in our squad is Andrews.

Which one was this? Which free-kick headed for the top corner, with the keeper only having around 6 yards to see it, and was doing a similar speed to the one we faced?

I remember one in the 1st half that was hit from 30 yards, therefore giving the keeper 20 yards to see it, which beat the keeper and hit the post. I also remember his 2nd which he hit the wall with. And then one near the end which, which he had at least 12 yards to see it and went at 4ft high and straight at the keeper.

.........?

[Jonnolad]

Ridiculous.

If anyone saw Inter-United tonight, they know what the difference is between a good keeper and a waste of space. The Inter keeper had even more dangerous shots to deal with, including the same free-kick, but stood his ground.

I watched the game last night as well, and the difference that stood out to me between Cesar and Robinson was reaction times - even in slow motion as soon as a shot was struck (or a header or whatever) Cesar had started to react. With Robinson the reaction time is noticeable even in real time - the bloke is just too slow to react. Way too slow in fact for a goalie. That for me is the problem with Robinson - and that was the problem for both goals on Saturday IMO.

The only one worse in our squad is Andrews.

If in doubt bash Andrews eh! The fact that's he's actually one of our first choice starters these days for important games is irrelevant - Sam is just obviously mad for that - there's no one worse than Andrews in the entire squad is there

[Eddie]

OK folks, any keeper who saved the first goal would have been LUCKY. Nothing else. It would have had to have been a case of Rooney hitting it right at him. Nothing to do with skill. Nothing to do with reaction times. Nothing to do with positioning.

On the second goal he stands a chance and there are keepers who would have saved it, but I think he is more hurt by the position of his wall and Warnock than by his own positioning, skill or reactions (this was then further compounded by the fact that he edges to his right). Thing that people fail to recognise though is just how fast that ball was struck and just how wicked the movement is (which in the case of the way that Ronaldo strikes the ball can take on a wobbling along with the actual curl).

Get over it. Support the guy and stop trying your best to find faults in him. He's made one or two mistakes this year and he's made some good saves as well. To be honest I think he's done his job. He's not the best keeper I've ever seen, but he's far from the worst. Hopefully he can improve a bit, but he certainly isn't the reason why we are down the bottom of the table.

[DeadlyDirk]

OK folks, any keeper who saved the first goal would have been LUCKY. Nothing else. It would have had to have been a case of Rooney hitting it right at him. Nothing to do with skill. Nothing to do with reaction times. Nothing to do with positioning.

On the second goal he stands a chance and there are keepers who would have saved it, but I think he is more hurt by the position of his wall and Warnock than by his own positioning, skill or reactions (this was then further compounded by the fact that he edges to his right). Thing that people fail to recognise though is just how fast that ball was struck and just how wicked the movement is (which in the case of the way that Ronaldo strikes the ball can take on a wobbling along with the actual curl).

Get over it. Support the guy and stop trying your best to find faults in him. He's made one or two mistakes this year and he's made some good saves as well. To be honest I think he's done his job. He's not the best keeper I've ever seen, but he's far from the worst. Hopefully he can improve a bit, but he certainly isn't the reason why we are down the bottom of the table.

I've defended Robbo probably more than anyone else on here, read my posts if you don't believe me but come on, who positions the wall? They don't just randomly put themselves there, he positions them where he wants them and then should be in a position to save it if it goes the otherside of the wall. I completley admitted that given where the wall was and where he was stood that he couldn't have saved it but if the wall had been positioned better and he himself had been better positioned then he would have had a decent chance of saving it. It's about being pro active.

I do disagree though that he hasn't won us any points this season, I can't recall the games I'm afraid but he's still made some good saves for us this season which have ultimately won us some points.

The thing that upsets me is that people seem to be jumping on the bandwagon that he's a poor goalkeeper and is guilty until proven innocent when surely if your a true Rovers fan it should be the other way around.