[Archived] Paul Robinson

[Billy Castell]

He might regain his form and confidence, but he might not. It is one of those situations where you either back him and try to lift him, or drop him and try Bunn. The latter may do his confidence in and confirm his downward spiral. It's a tricky one to work out. I would like to see how good Bunn is, out of curiousity, but not if it makes Robinson into a shattered wreck we have to be stuck with for years. Robinson is nowhere near as bad as Fettis, as some have been suggesting. Now he was poop.

[den]

He might regain his form and confidence,

What evidence is there to suggest that Robinson is suffering from a loss of confidence?

[MCMC1875]

What evidence is there to suggest that Robinson is suffering from a loss of confidence?

Well he is being coached by Booby Mimms.

[broadsword]

Fettis was a pretty decent keeper. Certainly not hopeless.

oh God no, he was bloody awful.

Might as well have had Tiny Tim in a strait-jacket between the sticks.

Anyone see that Lyon goal against Barca in mid-week. Impossible to save, better than Ronaldo's goal.

http://www.championsleagueinfo.com/lyon-vs...highlights.html

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[Billy Castell]

What evidence is there to suggest that Robinson is suffering from a loss of confidence?

Admitedly it is speculation, but he was in a right slump at Spurs, and going from there to a team that has gotten itself into the brown stuff after hiring a really crap manager can't make you feel like you can take on the world. It's a bit like leaving a job where the bosses have lost confidence in you and joining another company where the management are in turmoil and the workers are not pulling their weight, and are moaning about everything. Actually, that sounds like where I work now, but that is another story!

[den]

Admitedly it is speculation, but he was in a right slump at Spurs, and going from there to a team that has gotten itself into the brown stuff after hiring a really crap manager can't make you feel like you can take on the world. It's a bit like leaving a job where the bosses have lost confidence in you and joining another company where the management are in turmoil and the workers are not pulling their weight, and are moaning about everything. Actually, that sounds like where I work now, but that is another story!

In his last days at Spurs, it was obvious, by simply watching some of the awful goals that he let in, that his confidence was shattered. He's not letting in bloomers now though, so I reckon that what we see, is what we get. I don't think there's anything more to his game than what there is now.

It also seems to me, that some people are using the confidence argument to cover their doubts about him. They're hoping that he will somehow become a lot better with crosses and a lot better at shot stopping. My cards are on the table, I don't think he will improve on where he is now. All opinions - of course.

[Billy Castell]

I do suppose I am hoping he will get better. Or that we can sell him for a nice amount and get Joe Hart. Well, we can dream.......................

Anyway, what has happened to Kaspar Schmeichel? He had a period when he was looking pretty good for Citeh, and then he disappeared. I'm not advocating a move, I'm just curious.

[Eddie]

In my opinion he never looked that good for City, which is why he's fallen away from the first team. He just got a lot of attention because of his dad. According to speculation he's available and wants out now, seeing as he is probably 3rd/4th choice.

[Billy Castell]

I can see Kaspar ending up somewhere like Ipswich, Sheff. Wed. That is probably his sort of level.

[thenodrog]

Admitedly it is speculation, but he was in a right slump at Spurs, and going from there to a team that has gotten itself into the brown stuff after hiring a really crap manager can't make you feel like you can take on the world.

Anyone noticed how Spurs can ruin goalkeepers without really trying? Any half decent keeper with ambition should give em a wide berth.

[Billy Castell]

Surely that should be any player with ambition should avoid Spurs Gordon.

[thenodrog]

Surely that should be any player with ambition should avoid Spurs Gordon.

good point.

[Paul Mellelieu]

I wonder how many more points we'd have with Brad between the sticks. The financial argument regarding Robinson doesn't look that great right now.

Think Den is right too.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

OK folks, any keeper who saved the first goal would have been LUCKY. Nothing else. It would have had to have been a case of Rooney hitting it right at him. Nothing to do with skill. Nothing to do with reaction times. Nothing to do with positioning.

Rubbish. Any keeper in that position stands up and makes himself look big. They don't come out like Robbo did, it made Rooney's job a lot easier, allowing him to lift it over him. If he had made himself look big it would have meant rooney needing to make a decision of where to put it. He may of still scored but Robbo made it easy for him.

As for the second goal, Robbo was slow reacting, got no height on his jump. All the problems he has just rolled into one.

Brad was an outstanding keeper, we have been spoilt. Anyone replacing him had an hard act to follow. All Rovers fans would pick holes in the replacement. I resisted all temptations to criticise Robbo before a couple of weeks ago, but he is a decent keeper but has obvious faults. He'll never play for England again.

[Eddie]

...right

[Mr. E]

There has been a debate here on what constitutes a keeper saving his side the game - look no further than Jason Brown today. That's what you call a keeper you can count on, one who can pull out something like that save in the end.

I'd rather we stuck with him.

[Wild Irish Rover]

Rubbish. Any keeper in that position stands up and makes himself look big. They don't come out like Robbo did, it made Rooney's job a lot easier, allowing him to lift it over him. If he had made himself look big it would have meant rooney needing to make a decision of where to put it. He may of still scored but Robbo made it easy for him.

As for the second goal, Robbo was slow reacting, got no height on his jump. All the problems he has just rolled into one.

From this it can only be concluded that a) you have never actually played football at a decent level and b ) you certainly have never been a gaolkeeper. For both goals against Manure, we are talking about incidents that in total lasted mere fractions of a second. To conclude that there was any element of cognition (i.e. rational thinking) involved from Robbo's perspective suggests armchair analysis with the benefit of slow-mo replay rather than an accurate assessment of the facts.

On the other hand, if it is viewed as a comment on the natural instincts and reflexes associated with top-class goalkeeping then I'd have to agree that Robbo does not seem to have the requisite attributes - has he ever been a natural shot-stopper with a flair for reflex saves? Maybe not. For me, the argument comes down to whether I'd prefer a declining Brad, versus a Robbo with potential for improvement (and remember, Goalkeepers tend to improve in their 30s). Nostalgia apart, I think the football fan in me is still saddened by the loss of Brad and therefore anyone who isn't a clear step up in class from the legend that is Friedel, is always going to be somehow second best. And sadly, Robbo isn't a clear step up...

Great win today though!

[Bobby G]

To be honest, Brown has been an excellent shot stopper. He gives me more confidence than Robinson, without a doubt.

[Hasta]

From this it can only be concluded that a) you have never actually played football at a decent level and b ) you certainly have never been a gaolkeeper. For both goals against Manure, we are talking about incidents that in total lasted mere fractions of a second. To conclude that there was any element of cognition (i.e. rational thinking) involved from Robbo's perspective suggests armchair analysis with the benefit of slow-mo replay rather than an accurate assessment of the facts.

The first goal is indeed all about goalkeepers instincts as it happened so quickly. However that's what seperates great keepers like Brad and Schmeichal from the rest. No keeper in the world should have stopped that. The best could have done.

Obviously it's easy to say but I doubt Robbo would have reacted quickly enough to get down behind that shot that Brown saved in injury time today.

[Eddie]

The point is hasta, the best keeper in the world could but probably only would 1/20 times. If I could let you pick your keeper (from any point in history) and stick him in that situation, would you bet your house on any of them making a save? Doubt it, if you have any sense that is. If yes, then let me know next time your wallet is feeling heavy.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Obviously it's easy to say but I doubt Robbo would have reacted quickly enough to get down behind that shot that Brown saved in injury time today.

On the other hand, I could have seen Robbo saving their goal from Browns position, he is more athletic and could have probably got a palm to it. But it's all pointless arguing this anyway, for all we know if we had Buffon in goal he'd have let in 3. We'll never know.

[Hasta]

The point is hasta, the best keeper in the world could but probably only would 1/20 times. If I could let you pick your keeper (from any point in history) and stick him in that situation, would you bet your house on any of them making a save? Doubt it, if you have any sense that is. If yes, then let me know next time your wallet is feeling heavy.

No the point is Eddie that a goalkeeper should instinctively make himself big in those position to make the target as small as possible for the striker. This is generally done by spreading your arms out - not tucking them into your body. It's not rocket science.

If you don't buy a ticket you'll never win the raffle.

[Eddie]

You mean like that one? Sometimes you will...sometimes you won't. Anyone looking any further than that on a goal like that is an idiot

[Hasta]

You mean like that one?

Yes like that one. Now if he'd done that at Old Trafford and stuck his arms out he would have had far more chance of stopping Rooney's goal that tucking them into his body. Agreed?

[Eddie]

Sure and if I had a bigger...

What's your point? You're doing a great job of monday morning quarterbacking. He had an instant to react and unfortunately for him and us didn't get his hands in the right place. No goalkeeper gets big in time every time and no one makes that save more than a fraction of the time.