[Archived] Nickos Thread

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Get over yourself little man, we're all bored with you now.

Go play with your millions of toys & talk to your made up agents in french bars.

I have the right to question an opinion- that's all that it is.

[walk down bolton road]

Once again lets reserve judgement until the signings have been made, thus far I am very happy with the signings. Ince needs time, do you think he is willing to waste the millions he has on players he is unsure about? I think he may wait for the January window before spending big, but may be wrong.

imy9 January will be far to late if we are in trouble have you confidence in Ince and his coaching staff to turn things round ?.There are serious questions to be answerd by Ince Williams and the trustees.I will say it again the alarm bells are ringing boys and girls.

[EwoodGlory]

Interesting that Lee has sort of rubbished Nicko's story on the official board.

He has reiterated that the EPL rules this season only allow two loan players of anu sort and that Simpson and Villanueva are Rovers' two.

There is therefore no question whatsoever of Rovers offering Annan a loan deal as they simply would not be allowed to.

Isn't it 2 foreign loan signings, and unlimited domestic ones?

I was going to ask Nicko, is Scott Sinclair staying at Chelsea next season, or could he be available?

[thenodrog]

I have to say, I do share your concern - particularly the last bit - but I'm trying desperately not to lose hope. I keep clinging to the fact that Ince is a winner - both player and (okay, lower division) manager.

I'm getting heartily sick of hearing that tired old crap. His playing career is totally irrelevent. Bryan Robson's immediate proof of that, as was Billy Bremner, Alan Ball, Bobby Moore, Ian Rush, Bobby Charlton, Nobby Stiles..... etc etc etc.

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Hughes bought Savage and sold him, we have an unproven right back but that is an extra one than last year- Emerton still plays for us!

Carlos is an extra from last year- a hole which was never filled by Hughes (he left it to the ageing Tugay)

Trialing like Hughes did? He has not signed a contract yet has he?

Andrews- maybe Ince sees something we dont, again he has not signed has he?

Unhappy players? MGP, Annan have been praising Ince in their interviews.

Squad is not stronger or weaker than last year, lets wait til end of August before a judgement

..but Emerton is also supposed to be the answer to the right wing - and centre mid!

Just needed to let of steam. Its soooo frustrating being a Rovers fan!

[thenodrog]

WTF i am not an ince basher i was perfectly happy with him as manager

On what basis AJW?

Get over yourself little man, we're all bored with you now.

Are you looking in a mirror eddie?

[67splitscreen]

Can we have a separate topic for Club finances.

It is important to all, but the amount in the kitty et. is irrelevant, as it seems Ince is not going to be allowed near it.

One post takes up 1/2 a bloody page

[philipl]

I hold you to that Pip - So basically if hughes & co would of stopped & Players were not sold our wage bill would be around £45million?

And yes I have a fair clue on how accounting works- seeing as I work with three of them

You obviously need to rely on your bean counters.

How many times have I got to repeat myself that the net effects of the ins and outs on the wage spend for the financial year ended on 30 June 2008 was a saving of about £750K against budget and most of that was Bentley not taking up his new contract?

Berner, Enckelman and Henchoz'a contracts expired on 30 June so NO SAVINGS in the year ended 30 June 2008.

If your point is there is a saving in wages now compared with what the monthly wages were in May, again, I think you are wide of the mark.

Ince is on £1.5m pa against Hughes' £1.75m pa but there are 1.5 more heads in Ince's management team I believe so no net savings there.

On the players, Nicko reported Bentley to be on £20K, Brad on £25K and I'd be surprised if Berner, Enckelman and Henchoz were on more than £10K per week each.

So £75K saved.

Robinson signed his Spurs contract when he was well-established as their keeper and England's automatic first choice. I doubt he took a paycut in coming to Rovers so £35K a week is probably a fair guess.

We have to pay Simpson and Villabueva despite them being on loan- both are intended to be first team players so I would be very surprised if they are on less than £15K each- quite possibly more. And we know the £15K figure for Robbie Fowler.

So £80K being spent now.

[Stuart]

I'm getting heartily sick of hearing that tired old crap. His playing career is totally irrelevent. Bryan Robson's immediate proof of that, as was Billy Bremner, Alan Ball, Bobby Moore, Ian Rush, Bobby Charlton, Nobby Stiles..... etc etc etc.

Hence 'clinging to', but thanks for the endorsement.

[thenodrog]

Sparky's found the grass isn't greener, eh. What a shame. And just as we manage to put together some kind of warchest too. Bear in mind that all the money we think is available to Ince would have been available to Hughes. His Chelsea gambit went horribly wrong and now his new job is going horribly wrong too. I wonder does he regret not staying for next season, especially if he was promised cash and knew that Bents would be going, also for a chunk'o'change. Well, done is done, I guess.

I wonder if Hughes had been told that Bents was going, Arsenal were getting 40% of the profit and that he would NOT be getting access to ANY of the proceeds? His pitch side demeanour over the last few weeks of the season changed markedly and imo he resembled a bulldog licking p1ss off a nettle for most of the time. Ince's spending to date suggests that this may have some truth.

[stuwilky]

I will hold you to that one Pip - So basically if hughes & co would of stopped & Players were not sold our wage bill would be around £45million?

And yes I have a fair clue on how accounting works- seeing as I work with three of them

Hughes and Co stopping has diddly squat to do with the financial year ending on the 20th June 2008, which Rovers will announce in DEcember/January.

Seeing as they were all on the books for virtually all of the relevant period.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Even if the loan thing is incorrect and that we couldn't have made a loan offer because of the premier league rules, questions need to be asked on why we have not taken the opportunity to sign him for £1-2 million and instead go after the most likely inferior Keith Andrews at a similar price.

If Wenger's interest is genuine and you consider his track record at buying young talent and selling them for large profits i think its clear we may have made a huge mistake.

[DingleBaiter]

To be blunt, I simply don't believe Rovers have 'moved the goalposts' on another potential target they're gone to a lot of effort to watch, bring over etc.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but there seems to be an insinuation about Rovers assing people about, so my question is - what's changed that? If it's true? I didn't like the vibes about Castillo being led under false pretences, but put that down to misinterpretation or spin from an agent/journos. But for it to seemingly happen again? C'mon, someone let the dog see the rabbit, please?

The added thing about wanting a loan deal, especially when the transfer fee is so low, just befuddles me.

Not casting aspersions on Nicko, but something royally stinks here - someone's stirring something! Is it a coincidence Keyser Soze Andrews has cropped up again? Is that guy a Freemason or something? Someone is determined to hex us it seems?

Obfuscation? no, bullocks it seems. We signed the axe for 400,000 four years back who's always looked another Ali Dia. We've a younger player that seems keen as mustard, never mind his billing as the new whoever, but if he's played for Ghana & held his own in that midfield he can't be that bad. 1.5 million, and probably not the highest wages? Strange days.

[JAL]

You obviously need to rely on your bean counters.

How many times have I got to repeat myself that the net effects of the ins and outs on the wage spend for the financial year ended on 30 June 2008 was a saving of about £750K against budget and most of that was Bentley not taking up his new contract?

Berner, Enckelman and Henchoz'a contracts expired on 30 June so NO SAVINGS in the year ended 30 June 2008.

If your point is there is a saving in wages now compared with what the monthly wages were in May, again, I think you are wide of the mark.

Ince is on £1.5m pa against Hughes' £1.75m pa but there are 1.5 more heads in Ince's management team I believe so no net savings there.

On the players, Nicko reported Bentley to be on £20K, Brad on £25K and I'd be surprised if Berner, Enckelman and Henchoz were on more than £10K per week each.

So £75K saved.

Robinson signed his Spurs contract when he was well-established as their keeper and England's automatic first choice. I doubt he took a paycut in coming to Rovers so £35K a week is probably a fair guess.

We have to pay Simpson and Villabueva despite them being on loan- both are intended to be first team players so I would be very surprised if they are on less than £15K each- quite possibly more. And we know the £15K figure for Robbie Fowler.

So £80K being spent now.

All in all, for whats paid out to what we are about to recieve on the playing field, just doesnt represent value for money. How things can all goes pear shape once you've hired a couple of clowns to manage your business.

[cruz]

We couldn't have signed Annan on loan anyway. Premier League clubs can only have 2 loan signings at any one time and with Simpson and Villanueva already on loan it makes it impossible unless we sign one or the other on a permanent.

And to think people still reckon reporters are too lazy to research

..but Emerton is also supposed to be the answer to the right wing - and centre mid!

Emerton was dumped to right back because he was arguably the worst winger we have ever had in the Premiership era. In centre mid he's just about average

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Hughes and Co stopping has diddly squat to do with the financial year ending on the 20th June 2008, which Rovers will announce in DEcember/January.

Seeing as they were all on the books for virtually all of the relevant period.

You miss my point again. I am not asking for accounted details, simply what our CURRENT wage bill is today 08/08/08 . Accounts will always lag a year behind.

[ebenrocks]

Im getting abit sick of Ince using us to get his mates up the ladder. When he arrived we needed a new, premiership standard backroom team, nope, all ince's pals come in. Then he brings in his old mate Robbie Fowler despite the fact that he just wont be able to cut it in the premiership, which surely is obvious. Now he is apparently shunning an excellent prospect, again to do his mate Keith Andrews, who again just wont cut it in the premiership, a favour. Someone needs to sit down with him and expalin that we're not just a load of mugs who will sit by and allow him to pass up excellent opportunities just because his old, past it friends need a helping hand.

Wind your neck in Ince.

[Fylde Coast Fan]

We've got to be saving our money for January so Ince's replacement can buy his way out of trouble. That's the only thing that makes any sense to me now. Two months ago when every neutral fan I know objectively predicted us to go down I argued angrily against them, even in the face of woeful jobs for the boys transfer rumblings like Andrews and Fowler. I'm starting to get a very bad feeling about this season and would like to go to sleep until October. I know a lot of people on here are trying to stay positive about this season but I can't share in that optimism.

[philipl]

You miss my point again. I am not asking for accounted details, simply what our CURRENT wage bill is today 08/08/08 . Accounts will always lag a year behind.

Well tell John Williams you have £100m to spare and sign a non-disclosure agreement and you'll get to know the exact numbers complete with PAYE and ERNI.

[ebenrocks]

sorry if this has been posted before.

Anything in this:

http://www.fansfc.com/frontpage/frontpagen...p?newsid=188745

[67splitscreen]

EPL season loans

"Meanwhile, a proposal to allow loan transfers between Premiership clubs was also agreed at the meeting.

Loans will only be allowed within the transfer windows up to a maximum of four per season.

Clubs will only be allowed two loan signings from other Premier League sides at any one time, although there will be an allowance made to sign goalkeepers in an emergency."

[alexanders]

Get your acts together.

Annan is still a target for Rovers and I believe a bid will be made this weekend or the beginning of next week.

The asking price from Start is approx £2m. I believe the Arsenal rumours are flogging around to push the price.

Start IK, the club who owns Annan will defently try to push the price, because they have bad economy AND the player is partially ownd by Sport Entertainment Media Group (SEM) who also will take a share from the sale.

[Ewood and I Would]

STOP MOANING ABOUT INCE! Nicko's information is wrong, at least in part or we don't know the rules.

This is from the Premiership Handbook for 2008/2009 season.

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Handbook/0,,12306,00.html

RULES: SECTION M

7.6 not more than 2 Temporary Transfers shall be registered by a Club at the same time

except that there shall be excluded from that number:

7.6.1 any Temporary Transfer which become permanent;

and

7.6.2 the Temporary Transfer of a goalkeeper which in its absolute discretion the Board

Simpson and Villanueva are our two loans, we would have to make one permanent to take another loan.

[cruz]

The answer is bleeding obvious. An option is not a permanent deal until a contract has been signed.

If you take out an option to marry a lass in the future (an engagement) your not married until you get her up the duff, down the aisle and to sign the register

[Ewood and I Would]

STOP MOANING ABOUT INCE! Nicko's information is wrong, at least in part or we don't know the rules.

This is from the Premiership Handbook for 2008/2009 season.

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Handbook/0,,12306,00.html

RULES: SECTION M

7.6 not more than 2 Temporary Transfers shall be registered by a Club at the same time

except that there shall be excluded from that number:

7.6.1 any Temporary Transfer which become permanent;

and

7.6.2 the Temporary Transfer of a goalkeeper which in its absolute discretion the Board

Simpson and Villanueva are our two loans, we would have to make one permanent to take another loan.