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Ste B

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1ROVER League Two

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Apologies if already mentioned, but in the Sun yesterday, it said we have agreed a fee for Per Ciljan Skjelbred ?

£2.2 million.

I know West Brom were keen last month.

youve got to be joking :lol::huh:

one thing which is a shame is that the new players that have come in, (not many though) wont have the time to gell in match situation as they would like. IF ince does make a couple of signings this week it will be interesting to see if they will play on saturday against NAC Breda

NICKO, is the trialist that has not been mentioned of yet of good pedigre, played in the premiership before, an international and of what age. Or is he another amdy faye ^_^

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Apologies if already mentioned, but in the Sun yesterday, it said we have agreed a fee for Per Ciljan Skjelbred ?

£2.2 million.

I know West Brom were keen last month.

i dont think so. but if they have, there will be something on it on norwegian tv within the next hours. i sure hope there is NOTHING in it. i my view he will not be any better than Daniel Bråthen for bolton.

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i dont think so. but if they have, there will be something on it on norwegian tv within the next hours. i sure hope there is NOTHING in it. i my view he will not be any better than Daniel Bråthen for bolton.

im pretty sure if this was the case nicko would have alerted us earlier, im sure theres nothing in it, what type of midfielder is he

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So, by that rationale, any player who has a trial will be pesh? Two words - Eric Cantona.

Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Adebayor, Fabregas, Lampard, Deco, Ballack, did any of them have trials?

The list is endless. If the guy is willing to come on trial he ain't going to be a world beater straight away is he? He may have the potential to in the near future but we need a player who will make an immediate impact. Someone who we bring in that will walk into our staring 11.

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It really depends where the player is from. If he is already in a good European league then there shouldn't be a reason for him to have a trial. If he is playing outside of Europe, then regardless of his current ability a trial makes sense for all parties.

Nelsen came on trial. Samba came on trial. They were both in the first team and making an impact not long after coming on trial.

*That doesn't mean that every player that comes in on trial will be a star, but the opposite is also not true.

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It really depends where the player is from. If he is already in a good European league then there shouldn't be a reason for him to have a trial. If he is playing outside of Europe, then regardless of his current ability a trial makes sense for all parties.

Nelsen came on trial. Samba came on trial. They were both in the first team and making an impact not long after coming on trial.

*That doesn't mean that every player that comes in on trial will be a star, but the opposite is also not true.

I agree with that, the estimation must be high from the manager for a player to even make a trial.

The player is obviously not going to be a superstar or unfinished diamond, because if so we would be deluged by videos.

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If only it was that easy. :rolleyes:

The big question they're all asking, who is the worst CB out of Darren Peacock, Christian Dailly and Aaron Mokoena.

Toughie. Nicko...?

Oh C'cmon, so unfair. 5.3 million of dross will always be classed as worst given the outlay. Moko at 400,000 may be just as worse as the ponytailed one, or the frizzy haired one, but why not throw Amo into that list too. Also, try Omar Kounde - so bad he never got a game. Didn't we buy Peacock as the Penguin asked Andy Cole which centre back he hated playing against the most?

It's like saying although Ashley Ward may not technically have been the worst 'forward' (in the loosest possible term) for us, he still rates in my book as the biggest waste of money, given the wages he earned, the transfer fee, and we had to pay to sack him!

For all his off-field exploits, Amo was a rank bad defender for us IMO.

Nicko - has the Steele story actually been confirmed as yet? Hope not.....

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Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Adebayor, Fabregas, Lampard, Deco, Ballack, did any of them have trials?

The list is endless. If the guy is willing to come on trial he ain't going to be a world beater straight away is he? He may have the potential to in the near future but we need a player who will make an immediate impact. Someone who we bring in that will walk into our staring 11.

Rovers haven't always brought players in on trial, but in the last few seasons it's been a strategy that has worked - on the whole. Maybe the reasons or criteria isn't indicative as you suggest of their capability, but a multitude of other factors. For instance, the player may have been a world beater once, but a bad injury since. Maybe a loan deal isn't an option. Maybe the agent doing the deal is new to the club/management team, and has to earn their trust. Maybe it's a test of their character? Who knows?

Comments deriding the value of a trial for a player seem to draw the conclusion that offering a player a trial would either be an affront to their manhood & achievements (as some have suggested for Castillio) , or a suggestion they wouldn't be much cop. It isn't an argument about whether a player willing to come on trial is therefore pesh, but more that equally it doesn't automatically follow that good players don't have trials.

As has been pointed out before, Castillio was offered a trial yet Carlos wasn't - there's a reason for that, and we can only guess at it. So, by your rationale, if we offered Castillio another trial and everything worked out - maybe it was just the cost (as Ince is quoting a lesser sum at present) - and he proved to be good enough, would you be happy?

If you're expecting a world-beater, I'd suggest you need to tinker your expectations somewhat. If Hughes brought a triallist in, would you have the same opinion? Some of the players we've trialled in the past have been good, technically or reputation-wise, but not suitable - but that doesn't mean they were pesh does it?

So, to extend your thoughts on trials to cars, does that mean one should never need to test drive a Ferrari?

PS. Sorry for the fonts/colours in previous messages, didn't realise they came out needing Jp-sniper glasses to read.....

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Four numbers 1992.

With today's technology it is far easier to make estimations on players with out ever actually seeing them in the flesh.

Conversely, it's also far easier to over-sell players's ability. Won't be long before agents use CGI on Youtube..... As it stands, we're all setting ourselves up for a mighty fall on the Villanueva issue based on his Youtube exploits. Maybe we should rephrase Clough's famous quote about football being played in the air to Youtube or DVD then?

No matter what technology is available, there will always be potential too for abuse or mistakes. Another two words - Ali Dia.

My point about Cantona was that he came to this country as a triallist. Okay, the reasons for needing a trial were probably not related to his ability, but good players have come on trials, and in this day of over-inflated egos, I think it's a sound strategy we should certainly not devalue. I'd ALWAYS rather have a player flake under a trial than waste 6 million (or any money on) - and I think Ince should be applauded for the Castillio decision.

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DingleBaiter...I like what you write, but that font is incredibly hard to read (not sure if it's just my resolution or what), it really does hurt my eyes!

Several times I have been on the verge of saying exactly the same, but thought it may seem churlish so I have tended to avoid the pain by not trying to read his posts. However now that it has been "outed" as it were, I may as well add that the colour has a lot to do with the problem as well. Not being intentionally anti DB but it really is unreadable for me and now obviously Le Chuck as well.

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another name being mentioned is Darren Fletcher, i think he would be perefect for that DM role. Is he availale nicko, at most hes a bit part player for united, im sure ince cud have a word with fergie of getting him in, maye on loan

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another name being mentioned is Darren Fletcher, i think he would be perefect for that DM role. Is he availale nicko, at most hes a bit part player for united, im sure ince cud have a word with fergie of getting him in, maye on loan

Don't think we'd be able to get him on loan.

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No further news although I do hear there could be quite a lot of trialists coming.

I have also been tipped off that there is every chance of a few loan signings...just to be sure the players are up to standard.

Not quite to make of that, but we shall see.

What exactly IS the kitty being kept back for...

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