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Well I've just been looking into this Rafik Djebbour chap that we have been linked with. Nicko also confirms there could be some truth in it.

Sky Sports Link

TeamTalk

Anyway to be honest I hadn't really heard of him, the name vaguely rings a bell. Fortunately I managed to find a way into Blackburns scouting system and am very happy with what I've seen, he looks strong with a decent amount of pace and to be two footed. I thought he was left footed until I saw him taking a few penalties about half way through. He's only 24 as well so time to improve. Its a bit strange that only Stoke and WBA are interested, doesn't suggest people think of him as top class but then he could just turn out to be a real bargain like Rocky did.

Anyway check him out for yourself

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Who needs Robbie Fowler? :)
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Anyway back on track.....

Rovers pot. Reportedly with sales a reported now £25million. Now I see this as too much money! If RSC and Benni go that may rise to £45million. The thing is Rovers are not a club that wants to pay the add ons that come with £10 million+ players. Wages, ego at a small family club, 5 year contract etc... I don't think it is as easy as it seems these days for Rovers to spend big money realistically. Easy to blow it though and wreck the club.

Makes you think that Ince was the obvious choice... Manager having to prove himself rather than one thinking he is a big manager who must spend big money so he continues to look like a big manager (ie McClaren). Ince is a manager with experience of players in Rovers type of market, ie bargain basement, gambles on up and coming players, overseas talant, will play for lower wages etc... Ince is also internationally known and ticks that box for players coming here. A manager not thinking I have £10m and I MUST spend it all to be successful or what payer must I have for at least £6m

Been there.. Daily, Grabbi, Davies, (even Ward, Blake etc..)

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Anyway back on track.....

Rovers pot. Reportedly with sales a reported now £25million. Now I see this as too much money! If RSC and Benni go that may rise to £45million. The thing is Rovers are not a club that wants to pay the add ons that come with £10 million+ players. Wages, ego at a small family club, 5 year contract etc... I don't think it is as easy as it seems these days for Rovers to spend big money realistically. Easy to blow it though and wreck the club.

Makes you think that Ince was the obvious choice... Manager having to prove himself rather than one thinking he 'king dick' (ie McClaren). Manager with experience of players in Rovers market, ie bargain basement, lower wages etc... Internationally known. A manager not thinking I have £10m and I MUST spend it all to be successful or what payer must I have for at least £6m

Been there.. Daily, Grabbi, Davies, (even Ward, Blake etc..)

Well I was in the wait and see camp on the poll, but from what I have seen and heard so far, I am definitely warming to him. Just give it a little bit longer (say end of Sept) and then ask me again. :)

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Anyway back on track.....

Rovers pot. Reportedly with sales a reported now £25million. Now I see this as too much money! If RSC and Benni go that may rise to £45million. The thing is Rovers are not a club that wants to pay the add ons that come with £10 million+ players. Wages, ego at a small family club, 5 year contract etc... I don't think it is as easy as it seems these days for Rovers to spend big money realistically. Easy to blow it though and wreck the club.

Makes you think that Ince was the obvious choice... Manager having to prove himself rather than one thinking he 'king dick' (ie McClaren). Manager with experience of players in Rovers market, ie bargain basement, lower wages etc... Internationally known. A manager not thinking I have £10m and I MUST spend it all to be successful or what payer must I have for at least £6m

Been there.. Daily, Grabbi, Davies, (even Ward, Blake etc..)

You've got to allow for the Villanueva fee so more like GBP20m possibly in the pot at most currently.

If we sell Benni and RSC we are completely screwed and I don't care how much we might get for them. There is not enough liquidity in this market for Rovers to be confident of signing any replacements.

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Nicko, is Makukula a possible replacement for Benni?

Or Cardozo?

Someone mentioned Moutinho. Everton want him, Sporting want 25 million € for him.

Hull looked at Makukula and were not sure.

Cardozo is class.

Moutinho is an awful lot of money...but likely to go to Everton nonetheless.

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I believe Everton can get Moutinho for 20 million€.

He wants to leave and, despite being a true professional, the fans turned against him.

Plus, Sporting needs to make some money.

Makukula is a player benfica are willing to let go.

Cardozo no way.

Djebbour was linked with Benfica early in the preseason. Something went wrong so now Benfica wants Luis Garcia, after they already signed Reyes and Aimar.

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You've got to allow for the Villanueva fee so more like GBP20m possibly in the pot at most currently.

There you go again, last week you berated me for suggesting that we have anything like 25 million in the pot. You announced that we have a maximum of 15 million to spend in the Pennant thread.

As for as the Villanueva deal – surely you with all your ‘connections’ within the club realize that Mr Williams has stated the trust intent to put more money into the coffers “later in the season”.

So it seems that my 25million figure is actually closer than you first thought.

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You've got to allow for the Villanueva fee so more like GBP20m possibly in the pot at most currently.

If we sell Benni and RSC we are completely screwed and I don't care how much we might get for them. There is not enough liquidity in this market for Rovers to be confident of signing any replacements.

Another factor is the wage bill; Rovers are often considered 'good' payers across the squad - rather than a few big hitters on crazy money - and have a massive wage bill compared to turnover.

IF we can bring in players like Villanueva, & possibly Annan, they're probably going to be on less (pro-rata) than if we'd brought in similar British players, at a lesser outlay on transfer fee. Sweeping generalisation maybe, but I'm sure the wage bill is another factor to Ince's market knowledge. I guess it's like appointing a car fleet manager who's only used to Mondeos; he'll not stretch to BMW unless it's for the bloke that give him the job?

They've also been cute in recent seasons incentivising contract upgrade/extensions, thereby rewarding effort & application (Benedict apart, which is a mystery), although Robbo got a six year contract that seems relatively unique.

Liquidity is a good term - there's not a lot of it about. Just shows how in hock some clubs are; who'd have thought we'd see the big boys having to sell to buy, or bartering like Boycie/Harry Redknapp? I'm just glad we don't have some of our previous managers sat on the kitty (presuming it's not hidden under a mattress in Jersey) and Ince seemingly is relatively restrained in spending it (for now). I'm sure if a good deal came up, they'd back him, but it still shows how comical football can be & no doubt a certain Welshman will be casting an envious glance this way.

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Hull looked at Makukula and were not sure.

Cardozo is class.

Moutinho is an awful lot of money...but likely to go to Everton nonetheless.

I have to disagree there Nicko. Moutinho for me is one of the top 5 young players in world football. He is the complete CM -he can pass, tackle, scores goals and has a good work ethic + is technically gifted.

Everton aren't a good enough club for Moutinho- I would of expected a club like Juve, Inter or Real to have come in for him

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This is what I posted (tidied up not to encourage a war breaking out again):

Wages are up by about £4m to £40m, gate income down by about £1m (poor cup runs and reduced prices) media income up by nearly £20m.

Nets to a £15m improvement of which £7m gets swallowed up paying off the excess borrowings from last year when Rovers bought ahead of the Prem going mad. Add back the Savage sale income of 1.5m as was pointed out and you get to a starting point of:

Net £9.5m to spend- Nicko said £10m.

Add £3m contribution from the Walker Trust

Add £4m profit on the management change.

Add £500K on the Garner sell-on fee.

Add £750K on budget saving by not paying Hughes et al in June and not paying Bentley his new contract.

Add £9m on Bentley if Arsenal get 50%

Minus £1m on Robinson/Friedal

Minus £4m set to one side for Villanueva

Adds up to about £20m in the Rovers' kitty when you knock off the players' cuts and the Mr 10%s on each transfer deal. Hughes would have been at £16m right now as we wouldn't have made cash on his departure.

On wages, we are not paying the £55k a week the club had budgeted on paying Bentley.

Hence there is enough space there if Roverswant to go for a £15m single signing and my view is Rovers should seriously be looking at that level as those sorts of players on their own make the difference between top and bottom half finishes.

With regards to competition for Alonso's signature (or Micah Richards- another name I floated), by and large it is only the English clubs that have not yet done their summer shopping. The Continentals have got on with it and are largely sorted- I am pointing out that Rovers could put in a serious effort to buy a £15m player if they want to

Supporting where the nicko figure of 10m comes from by reference to the analysis of published accounts:

In 2006/7, Rovers' total revenue was c£43m of which £24m came from media rights but the amount the Rovers received from media rights in 2007/8 was about £41m.

A full table of 2007/8 media payments by club was published and is on this message board somewhere but I cannot find it anywhere at the moment. The basic rules are that to the £29m minimum paid for coming 20th in the EPL, add £750K per place. So for 7th, add 13 x £750K for Rovers and a bit more for extra live coverage.

The 06/7 numbers are a matter of historical fact as is the £7m excess bank borrowings when Rovers spent early which the club said they would clear, the wages budget and gate revenues already commented on by Rovers, the compensation received for Hughes et al reported as was the compensation paid to MK dons for Ince et al, fees on Robinson/Friedel a matter of public record, the wages offered and actually paid to Bentley have been reported, I've assumed Arsenal take 50% of the Bentley profit....

Nothing else is assumed.

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