[Archived] Keith Andrews - Rovers Newest Signing

[Jonnolad]

Unbelievable that whenever Andrews has a game when he doesn't have a complete nightmare, people come out and suggest he had a good game.

This says more about how @#/? he is than anything else.

Eh? Is this some more of this moron's logic?

I think people are suggesting he had a good game, because wait for it .........he had a good game. Don't forget these people include respected journalists, managers and ex-players.

Now, when you say he's had a "complete nightmare" game, miraculously these same journalists, managers and ex-players don't have the same opinion.

Do you ever think therefore, just for a teeny weeny split second, that you are actually wrong and all the professionals might be right (it's their job to know football after all, whilst you're just some dweeb on the net who watches the odd game half cut).

[Bennisfromheaven]

Andrews has first first half decent game in 3 years and predictably this Irish boggart turns up.

Wonder how he feels now the bogtrotters are out of the World Cup ?

Trappatoni had no option but to pick the lamentable Andrews owing to lack of playing resources.

Fortunately Allardyce of late has finally seen through his all too apparent limitations.

I am a football supporter,

I am an Ireland Supporter,

I am a Rovers Supporter,

Giving my SUPPORT to the club, management & ALL the players!!!!

What are you??

[Jonnolad]

What planet are you on? Do you live in a world where you have to argue with everybody? I thought you've put forward some decent arguments in the past but you're behaving like a moron at the moment. Give it a rest.

Not being funny or anything, but you started this with "Don't try antagonising me Jonnolad because you really will look stupid", when I hadn't actually quoted you or anything. Now you're saying I was out to argue with you.

Clown.

[Jonnolad]

I am a football supporter,

I am an Ireland Supporter,

I am a Rovers Supporter,

Giving my SUPPORT to the club, management & ALL the players!!!!

What are you??

A bitter old man who, if he was completely honest with himself, no-body is going to miss when he goes!

Andrews has first first half decent game in 3 years and predictably this Irish boggart turns up.

The unbelievably weird part is I turned up before the game kicked off.

Do you think I used that time machine I have to check if he had a decent game?

[CrazyIvan]

Not being funny or anything, but you started this with "Don't try antagonising me Jonnolad because you really will look stupid", when I hadn't actually quoted you or anything. Now you're saying I was out to argue with you.

Clown.

You're quite correct, you didn't quote me. You replied to Tony's post which was posted replying to me. I'll quote the relevant sentence for you...

It's weird though isn't it; the Andrews detractors can happily post the same derogatory nonsense over and over, and that's not be boring at all. Yet I appear (once in a while) and simply point out the glaring flaws in this opinion and suddenly they're bleating that it's boring.

Posted by yourself directly replying to Tonyoz who was replying to me. I was the person who said they were bored with this entire argument in the first place hence my comment. You really are an argumentative person aren't you? And since I really can't be bothered with this I'm going to ignore you until you go away again.

[S15]

Eh? Is this some more of this moron's logic?

I think people are suggesting he had a good game, because wait for it .........he had a good game. Don't forget these people include respected journalists, managers and ex-players.

Now, when you say he's had a "complete nightmare" game, miraculously these same journalists, managers and ex-players don't have the same opinion.

Do you ever think therefore, just for a teeny weeny split second, that you are actually wrong and all the professionals might be right (it's their job to know football after all, whilst you're just some dweeb on the net who watches the odd game half cut).

You base your arguments on marks out of ten a red top paper gives him. Which is usually 5 or 6.

You're obviously devoid of attention.

[den]

Yup, people obviously look at a player and make their mind up.

One set of people are then backed up by absolutely, completely and categorically all the professional opinion, and the other set aren't.

Which set of people do you belong to Den?

And why is it, do you think, that all the profesionals (be they managers, ex-players or journalists) completely disagree with you?

Don't be such a tit Jonnolad.

I was replying to hasta who reckons that all Rovers fans have pre-concieved ideas.

[jim mk2]

The unbelievably weird part is I turned up before the game kicked off.

Even more weird is you disappearing on here for months but reappear just because Andrews managed to pass a ball 10 yards for the first time without mishitting it.

[MeanGreenMachine]

I am a football supporter,

I am an Ireland Supporter,

I am a Rovers Supporter,

Giving my SUPPORT to the club, management & ALL the players!!!!

What are you??

Your not a supporter, your the faithfull little lamb who would follow the shepard into the kebab shop. What you give is blind support.

Some of us can still support the side but still be objective towards desisons made by the management.

On a serious note, Andrews is your run of the mill championship midfielder (where i believe that is his true level). He lacks any real quality on the ball along with being hopelessly slow, quite a poor reader of the game and struggles with his positioning. Though he does run around alot (albeit very slowly) and shows 'heart' and 'commitment' (just more terms used for running around alot) though there has always been fans of that style, hence the popularity of the likes of Kuqi and Dickov. Is there a place for him in the squad? Well he slots into the Mokoena role as being a versitile sub but he woefully out of his depth to make it as a starting role premiership midfielder.

We should of taken the money in the summer and looked to improve.

[T4E]

I'm totally confused as to what we're trying to establish here, it just seems to be the same arguements over and over again - Andrews has a bad game, he gets a hammering from his detractors, he has a decent game, he gets hailed by his advocates.

For me, I think we carry him and he's not good enough to play for us if we want to make an impact at this level. I think we have better players in his position already within our squad, and could buy better players quite cheaply.

In one or two sentences (not 7 or 8, Jonno), could the main contributors sum up succinctly where they stand?

[Bennisfromheaven]

Its a fine example of Rovers support when one fan lambastes another for trying to provide encouragement for the team!!

I always wondered why Rovers couldnt draw on a larger fanbase!! was it because of Blackburn being a small town club? was it because its not a glamourous club? Is it because we have the likes of Kieth Andrews in the side?????

NO, today i discovered why Blackburn have one of the worst attendance records in the premier league!! Because of supporters like MeanGreenMachine who try inflict their oppinions on others rather than uniting with fellow supporters to back the players that might just perform if you believe in them!!!

Kieth Andrews is not a world class player, no, i admit that!! But he is a major asset to this club & that needs to be recognised by some of the fans!! Maybe that recognition, that belief, that willingness will encourage Andrews to try even harder than he already has to please the people that call themselves supporters!?!

[MeanGreenMachine]

If we all agreed why do we need a messageboard?

And lets make sweeping generalisations aye? Everything is to blame on people like me, who think this club should be working with players of the better level than Andrews.

Anyway did i say i boo him and don't support him? Er no. I will admit i dont cheer him and sing his name but i wouldnt goto a game to slate him and boo him off the park.

And if you think Andrews is a major asset get your head checked.

[Hughesy]

I agree with T4E/MKDONS/SCOTLAND.

Andrews is OK, he does an OK job, some decent games, some poor. He is OK - however for the amount Fulham were willing to pay (£2.5m reported) then I think we should get a little bit more cash for him, and replace with a much better player for that amount.

If WE want to PROGRESS then WE need BETTER players than Andrews - Thats it in Black & White!

[Bennisfromheaven]

The crowd last night cheered its team on, this provided the encouragement that drew the type of performance i would be delighted to see from Kieth Andrews week in, week out at Ewood but you Meangreenmachine, yes i am generalising, are unwilling to provide that encouragement!! Andrews is not Roque Santa Cruz, he doesnt have the skill or insight to the game but he is willing to put his neck on the line for us!! Something Roque didnt do!!! I bet you sang Roques name though???

Andrews is arguably worth £4 million at this stage, I am sure you will laugh at that but his performances for Ireland alone will have increased his value 5 fold!!! Even if you do not agree with this you must agree that he is worth more than we paid for him??? Also, if he were not around what would we do? Put grella & his lego legs out every saturday?? If that is not an asset to a cash strapped, struggling club whose current most expensive player is 6 million then i dont know what is!!!

[tcj_jones]

This isn't about supporting the team, when will people realise this?! When does Andrews EVER get booed? Since when have people stopped attending games because of Keith Andrews?

Andrews is one of the poorest players in the Premier League, without a shadow of a doubt, and it is frustrating having to watch him play regularly for the club.

Andrews plays for Ireland because the alternatives are the likes of Glenn Whelan and Darren Gibson. He got a new contract because the chairman promised him one if he managed to play regularly for the first team. Unfortunately, for some time now, injuries have left us with little alternative other than to play him. Whenever we have had our better CMs fit and available, they have played over Andrews. Therefore, the argument that he must be good because Allardyce and Trappatoni play him or that they rate him highly as a result just isn't true. Just because Andrews has filled in at RB, this doesn't mean that he is good in this position, that he is versatile or that the manager rates him. Usually, it is because he has had regular football under his belt and because he is fit and available.

Andrews has never had a stand-out performance for Rovers (unless he's stood out for being unbelievably poor). I'd love somebody to point out a game in his season and a half at Rovers where he has been exceptional. Frankly, he isn't capable of excelling in the Premier League. He has, however, had umpteen poor performances and, in the vast majority of matches, the game simply passes him by. If he wasn't in such peak physical condition, he wouldn't play nearly as many full 90 minutes. People can then argue that this is his asset to the squad. I suppose it is, but it doesn't mean he is a good player. Andrews always appears over-whelmed when in the team, playing off short five yard passes instead of taking the ball on or playing more adventurous passes himself. He also appears to be a ball-watcher and better teams pass it round him with ease. It is because we have had to rely on players like Andrews that we have struggled recently.

I like Andrews' work rate and effort (although he does run like a girl). I have never booed Andrews and I don't think he'd ever give me a reason to boo him. I never really boo players, even if they have left under acrimonious circumstances. But he isn't good enough.

Jonnolad has a very unhealthy obsession with the guy and is absolutely deluded about his level of ability. He is also quite clearly on a wind-up.

[BiggusLaddus]

In one or two sentences (not 7 or 8, Jonno), could the main contributors sum up succinctly where they stand?

I'm not really a major contributor to the thread, but:

Andrews is one of only two central midfielders in our senior squad that can be trusted to stay fit. That makes him an important member of the squad by default.

[T4E]

I'm not really a major contributor to the thread, but:

Andrews is one of only two central midfielders in our senior squad that can be trusted to stay fit. That makes him an important member of the squad by default.

So is it fair to say you're in the "Andrews should be a squad member at most" camp?

[TimmyJimmy]

Ah I see what's happened now, the thread has become self aware. It's achieved self conciousness and has taken on a life of it's own. Let's face it artificial intelligence was always going to come and bite us one day so I guess we have to be privilidged to say "we were there when it first happened".

It refuses to be killed off yet adds nothing new to the sum total of world knowledge, it has a pointless existence and can only mutter the same two phrases over and over and over and over .... ad nauseum.

Granted it does try to rephrase them from time to time and say the same thing in different ways but in the final analysis it can still only say two things.

IT'S OK - WE GET IT !! Stop dribbling in the corner and find something new to say.

How boring are people that they want to fill up their day by reading the same two things over and over.

Please mods, do the decent thing, screw the ethics, just pull the damn plug, it doesn't deserve to live.

Oh Lord, I hear it coming, "define deserves", "I want my say", "I deserve to be heard", "don't oppress me you muppet", WILL IT NEVER END.

[robbojohnno]

Andrews isn't a Premier League standard player and that is why we should sell him to Fulham for anything over the £2.5million mark. However, I am disgusted by the fans that boo him and shout abuse at him because of his lack of ability, it will only make him play worse. I will always cheer him while he is in a Rovers shirt, but won't be dissapointed to see him leave either.

[BiggusLaddus]

So is it fair to say you're in the "Andrews should be a squad member at most" camp?

In an ideal world, yes. But at the moment he should be one of the last to be sold until at lest one of the others can be trusted to get onto the pitch on a regular basis.

[Bennisfromheaven]

Apologies for the fact that people had to read my comments & opinions.

MeanGreenmachine I respect the fact that you & others dont consider Andrews a good player or good enough for Rovers, however, he does play for Rovers & as long as he does I will cheer him on because i think if we believe in him he will be a better player!!

Simple as!!!

[waggy]

i thought julie had a decent game last night,not overshadowed by any of the frogs.thought duffer was finished as a top player but last night and the few glimpses of foolham matches i have seen he looks good,pity he missed a good chance as i had the rep to win 2-0 at 50/1

[Fife Rover]

Ive come on here for the first time in a few weeks to say a little bit about Kieth Andrews. I have not been a fan of the guy since he has been at Ewood, mainly due to him not being premier league standard in my opinion but i have never had a problem with his effort for the club!!

As i sat down last night to watch my national team play a game that I myself didnt give them a chance of getting a result I saw Kieth Andrews become a REAL player!! A player who i can be proud plays for Blackburn Rovers, a player that has, without doubt, proven his worth & warrants a place in the premier league!!!

Some people say Kieth played well last night, i say he was immense!! at times bossing the French midfield worth tens of millions!! Yes, some of his passes were not inch perfect & he may not have scored a 40 yard wonder strike but he was a giant in the stad de France none the less!!

Watching this game i was reminded of the last 15 months, seeing a player sign for our club & from that day he has never been given a chance by me, a fellow Irishman, let alone the Rovers faithful!! But in those 15 months Kieth Andrews has become not only a full international but the mainstay of the Irish team, a team that has proven to be on a par with Italians & French!! He was a key player for Blackburn in the relegation dogfight that not many people gave a chance of surviving in January last year.

And Now, we are left with a player who is worth alot more than the £750,000 we payed for him, not that i think we should even contemplate selling!!

Last night was a despairingly heartbreaking night for me, for Ireland & for football in general but a pheonix rouse from the ashes after the flames had subsided & that pheonix wore Blue & white!!!!

So Come on Rovers, give this lad a chance!! Maybe if we give Kieth Andrews a little support we will all see the player i saw last night!!!!

Well I certainly feel you are right to express your support for Andrews as you have and based on his game for RoI against France. I didn't see it myself so cannot comment on the accuracy or otherwise of the various posts above. However I admire your sentiments and just wish that a few of the more virulent Andrews detractors would just stop being so closed minded and bigoted and look at Andrews when he is on the field for Rovers with a more balanced and fair-minded view.

I know he is not the best midfield player in the PL by some distance, but by the same token he is not the worst either. Added to which most people agree that he always does his best for the Rovers and that has to be worth a few Brownie Points at least. Accepting that his best may not be good enough for some people, I do definitely feel that there has been a noticeable improvement in his game over the time Sam has been here. I know there are some who will dispute this, and will still not see any improvement, but if those people will just for the next few games agree to wipe the "slate" clean and just watch critically but completely fairly, then there is just a chance that they may see a definitely improved Keith Andrews compared to when he first arrived at Rovers and persuaded them that he was not good enough to even wear the shirt and never would be. That's all; just be fair and judge dispassionately.

[den]

I know he is not the best midfield player in the PL by some distance, but by the same token he is not the worst either. Added to which most people agree that he always does his best for the Rovers and that has to be worth a few Brownie Points at least. Accepting that his best may not be good enough for some people, I do definitely feel that there has been a noticeable improvement in his game over the time Sam has been here. I know there are some who will dispute this, and will still not see any improvement, but if those people will just for the next few games agree to wipe the "slate" clean and just watch critically but completely fairly, then there is just a chance that they may see a definitely improved Keith Andrews compared to when he first arrived at Rovers and persuaded them that he was not good enough to even wear the shirt and never would be. That's all; just be fair and judge dispassionately.

What makes you think that only the people who don't rate him are being unfair Fife? Surely you don't go for this "don't say anything that isn't really good" nonsense?

Improvement in KA Fife? The last game was Portsmouth at home where he came on as a second half sub. The previous two games were Man Utd and Chelsea - 2-0 and 5-0. Seriously, did you see good performances there?

Fife I'm a bit surprised by you especially. You've been around rovers a hell of a lot longer than me and you must have seen some absolute class midfielders in your time. You must know quality when you see it.

[tcj_jones]

I think a problem here is that people are interpreting other's frustrations at Andrews lack of quality as some kind of personal dislike. Further, there is clearly a common misconception that their criticism of Andrews equates to a lack of support. Again that isn't the case. Not with the vast majority, anyway.