JAL Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Most of you are focusing on MGP's performances but I think you should question the role of Steven Warnock and his inept performances over the last two games. Mgp has looked far more comfortable playing with Treacy than he has with Warnock this season.
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John Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Warnock was very poor at West Ham. Nelsen just stared at him after the 4th goal, as if to say, that was your fault. Quite frustrating, but some games Warnock is excellent, then others he is poor. Suppose, if he was good every game, he would be playing for one of the 'top 4'.
JAL Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 Warnock was very poor at West Ham. Nelsen just stared at him after the 4th goal, as if to say, that was your fault. Quite frustrating, but some games Warnock is excellent, then others he is poor. Suppose, if he was good every game, he would be playing for one of the 'top 4'. He was poor against Hull aswell. It will be interesting to see if he starts against Arsenal, Ince might just give him one last chance as he has more experience than his rivals but i wouldnt be suprised to see him on the bench.
Al Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 He was poor against Hull aswell. It will be interesting to see if he starts against Arsenal, Ince might just give him one last chance as he has more experience than his rivals but i wouldnt be suprised to see him on the bench. It's a good point. I know it was only against Grimsby but the overlapping between MGP and Treacy was a treat to watch.
DingleBaiter Posted September 3, 2008 Posted September 3, 2008 It's a good point. I know it was only against Grimsby but the overlapping between MGP and Treacy was a treat to watch. Ollsson (sp?) is also back in betting too; seems like we're going to be spoilt for choice on left side. I'm a bit more concerned about where Simpson fits in, we're in an awkward position. He IS a specialist right back apparently, but what's the long term plan? Oojer, fab as he is, struggles for pace esp at RB and Simpson is only a one-season player at best. Guess the lack of the phantom right winger will also play a part here! Hopefully now the Newc situation is over with (for now) Warnock will knuckle down and get his mojo back. I still find it ironic that the player most people feared coming in may prove to be better than most thought.
dingles staying down 4ever Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 Ollsson (sp?) is also back in betting too; seems like we're going to be spoilt for choice on left side. I'm a bit more concerned about where Simpson fits in, we're in an awkward position. He IS a specialist right back apparently, but what's the long term plan? Oojer, fab as he is, struggles for pace esp at RB and Simpson is only a one-season player at best. Guess the lack of the phantom right winger will also play a part here! i think once a right winger is signed then Emerton will revert to right back. Simpson is not experienced enough to play right side whilst that side of the team is struggling. With a better standard of right side midfielder or once our defensive midfielder gets up to speed and we can offer some better protection for him maybe he'll get a game then!
CAPT KAYOS Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 He was poor against Hull aswell. Warnock to me was the only attacking minded player once Dunn went off . I also partly blame Pedersen for the goal we conceded as he was the man that should have been closing down the cross and just didn't put any effort into it at all. The reason for MGP having to do all the defensive duties is IMO because of what I said before - Warnock is being pulled out of position by the lack of creativity and advancement up the pitch by Pedersen and his constant drifting Maybe, it would be better if they swapped positions
vintageadidas Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 Example: Ashley Cole is a great player. But sometimes he needs help from other players in the team. From what i have seen, he received it from the DMF (CM, ME, JOM and others) thus leaving the left winger to do what they should be doing, offensive play. I never see Dunn, Reid, Mokoena or Tugay helping out in any other position than their midfield realm (when playing centre mid). Maybe this is why Andrews was so wanted by Ince. A DMF would and should cover/mop up things whilst the likes of MGP, BE and SR go about their tasks - greating chances for themselves and others. Just a subjective example from my viewing of Chelsea over the past 3 seasons.
LeChuck Posted September 4, 2008 Posted September 4, 2008 Fair analysis vintage of Chelsea, but I'm not sure it's right to compare it to us. Chelsea play a five man midfield with a holding player, so they can have a player designated to covering full backs and generally filling in spaces. Makelele was excellent at this. We're using a four man midfield, so we can't afford to have one of the central players being dragged out wide to cover. To be honest, it's just another reason why we should be adopting some form of 4-5-1, because we do have full backs who like to attack (Ooijer excepted). I'm sure it's only a matter of time before Ince does so, I think the obstacle at the moment is Roberts' good form. When/if he stops scoring I imagine we'll quietly see us move away from the conventional 4-4-2 we're using at present.
rover6 Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 People are laying in Andrews but do you not think that he was a victim of two powerful external forces - Arsenal's amazing play and Ince's tactical vacuum? Andrews doesn't seem to know whether to hold or run. In a more clearly defined role, I believe he'd be a lot better.
thenodrog Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 People are laying in Andrews but do you not think that he was a victim of two powerful external forces - Arsenal's amazing play and Ince's tactical vacuum? Andrews doesn't seem to know whether to hold or run. In a more clearly defined role, I believe he'd be a lot better. 1st time I saw him yesterday but I've got to ask why is he even here? I cannot ever see him being a prem quality player.
RovertheHill Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Andrews is average at best. He might cope if we had a better and on-form midfield around him but we don't. I suspect he's going to become the new Shefki Kuqi - tries really hard but you know it's not going to come to much...
Iceman Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Its funny how people criticise Andrews, when Reid has been the worst player i have seen for a long long time. Our midfield realy should have, gamst, vogel,grella, dunn and emerton.with santa cruz alone up top.and ooijer and zurab as our centre backs, and simpson and warnock our full backs.
Anti-Dingle-Brigade Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Andrews and Emerton were our best midfield players by far, with Pedersen being a distant third. Reid was terrible. I was actually really impressed with Andrews, in the first half he never stopped running and winning the ball, and when Benni came on the two looked like they had known each other for years. He is actually skilful, much more than I was expecting. I think he has a good air of confidence, skill and effort about him.
RoverJoexx Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 A tidy player from what I see his last two games. Decent touch, doesn't lose silly possession and pick his man most of time with his passes. Late tackles and bit slow to react yes but who can blame him actually against a top team yesterday. Given time to adjust to the pace I can see him to be a decent player for us. Frankly speak, with the way he got to join our club, I can understand most will only accept him if he's some worldie.. But if you are able to watch that two latest Everton midfielder signings today. And compare them to Andrews pound for pound. You got to laugh at Everton.
imy9 Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Exactly my thoughts!! £500K for Andrews or £4 million for Castillo, Ince has purchased wisely
JAL Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 People are laying in Andrews but do you not think that he was a victim of two powerful external forces - Arsenal's amazing play and Ince's tactical vacuum? Andrews doesn't seem to know whether to hold or run. In a more clearly defined role, I believe he'd be a lot better. Like Danny Simpson JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH ! He certainly didnt add anything to the team attack wise or defensively so I dont see any point in him being here.
vintageadidas Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 He was the ONLY player who attacked yesterday and nearly scored a very nice move.
roversmum Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 A tidy player from what I see his last two games. Decent touch, doesn't lose silly possession and pick his man most of time with his passes. Late tackles and bit slow to react yes but who can blame him actually against a top team yesterday. Given time to adjust to the pace I can see him to be a decent player for us. Frankly speak, with the way he got to join our club, I can understand most will only accept him if he's some worldie.. But if you are able to watch that two latest Everton midfielder signings today. And compare them to Andrews pound for pound. You got to laugh at Everton. I'm not finding them very funny at the moment. They are eight positions above us in the league, and in case you hadn't noticed we are in the relegation zone.
Anti-Dingle-Brigade Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Like Danny Simpson JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH ! He certainly didnt add anything to the team attack wise or defensively so I dont see any point in him being here. Go and support Burnley and be with moaners who have similar hobbies and interests, it's getting tiresome now.
JAL Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 He was the ONLY player who attacked yesterday and nearly scored a very nice move. Sat watching the game almost on the six yard line towards the Darwen end, Andrews was no where near the ball and had no chance whatsoever of getting on the end of it though his attempt at throwing his body at it made it look a lot closer than it really was.
Anti-Dingle-Brigade Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 If Roberts knew how to turn with the ball, he would have been through at least twice, both because of Andrews' passes. Get over it.
JAL Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Go and support Burnley and be with moaners who have similar hobbies and interests, it's getting tiresome now. With Andrews, Simpson and Fowler in the squad, I definitely feel like I'm watching Dingle quality football, thankfully though Roque and co dispell those fears for now.
DavidMailsTightPerm Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Maybe if he changed his name to Andrinho people would think more of him. Lets get past the snobbery of where he was bought from - and just judge him on performances. Lets be realistic - if Dunn, Grella and possibly Vogel had been fit - he would have struggled to make the bench. £500k for a decent squad player, who brings something a little different to the midfield, doesn't seem too bad to me.
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