[Archived] Keith Andrews - Rovers Newest Signing

[1864roverite]

Andrews is still learning and developing an understanding with some of his fellow team mates these things take time especially playing behind Diouf so I cant stick all the blame on him.

Andrews is 29 yrs of age or thereabouts, he shouldnt be learning now, the basics of football are taught to 6 and 7 yr olds.

[Exiled_Rover]

To be fair 1864 Andrews had a shocker yesterday in the completely unnatural position of RB but was outstanding there in the game before.

And he was hardly alone in having a bit of a mare yesterday.

I think the difference between the two performances was due to what he was asked to do. In the West Ham game he was essentially playing as a wing back, pushing forward at every opportunity. In the Spurs game he was playing as a more conventional right back and suffered as a result.

[JAL]

Andrews is 29 yrs of age or thereabouts, he shouldnt be learning now, the basics of football are taught to 6 and 7 yr olds.

The point i'm trying to make is when Diouf seems to sprint off, then suddenly drops his shoulder, stops, then comes back, as opposed to sprinting off into the distance, this seemed a big problem for Keith to understand. does Keith play it long or short, does he have eye contact, does he know and understand what El Hadj prefers to do to gain that advantage over opponents.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Andrews is 29 yrs of age or thereabouts, he shouldnt be learning now, the basics of football are taught to 6 and 7 yr olds.

He was talking about developing a relationship with Diouf, whom he has played behind for a grand total of about 90 minutes, not learning algebra.

[Jonnolad]

Quite a few mis-placed passes from Andrews yesterday. Try almost 80% of his passes

But he does play some good long balls into space for the strikers to run onto

These were miss hits, dont be mistakened by a thought they were quality passes.

If in doubt always assume they are miss hits eh. You can never give the bloke credit after all.

Forget about his pass that set Samba’s header up for McCarthy to get our first goal, and forget his pass that set Warnock up for that strike which Gomes was lucky to save, and his other passes which found Samba. Those presumably don't count because he missed with some other passes.

Yes Andrews missed with a series of passes in the second half, but other players (Givet for one) were missing passes too throughout the game. I don’t have the opta stats unfortunately (the Guardian has stopped publishing them it would seem) but I’d bet good money that Andrews pass rate was around 70% - that was his success rate earlier in the season when some of his fans were calling him the worst player in a Rovers shirt – even though he was our second highest rated player!

Some people just see what they want to see (the missed passes) because they just love to have a moan about someone.

20% pass completion??? Apologies for being blunt but you really need to get a serious grip on reality.

[den]

Some people just see what they want to see (the missed passes) because they just love to have a moan about someone.

That goes both ways Jonno. Some people just wont admit they were wrong, whatever their viewpoint.

KA form is a matter of opinion. His career stats when he retires will be the only reliable pointer.

[thenodrog]

Andrews is a squad member only. Like Derbyshire he should be on 2nd Div wages and be thankful. He has a big heart but if we want to progress then he needs replacing he simply does not have enough of anything else.

The acid test will be to see how many clubs and from what Division come bidding for him and where he ends up should we make it plain that his days are numbered.

[mhead]

Only one thing is certain...Andrews will be playing against Liverpool cos the 'nearly' fit and the 'never' fit will still be out - leaving all the fight and battle to just a few fitter and probably hungrier professionals.How does Mark Hughes persuade his financiers to stump up 15 million for Roque in the summer break?

[Jonnolad]

Andrews is a squad member only. Like Derbyshire he should be on 2nd Div wages and be thankful. He has a big heart but if we want to progress then he needs replacing he simply does not have enough of anything else.

The acid test will be to see how many clubs and from what Division come bidding for him and where he ends up should we make it plain that his days are numbered.

2nd division wages and be thankful? Should Grella be on 2nd division wages as well? Surely by your rationale he should be on conference wages at best.

Also let's say for argument sake Andrews stays - should our fans continue to berate and moan at him for giving his all? Should he be thankful for that as well?

The fact of the matter is we are far better off that Andrews is in our squad giving it his all, and it's us who should be thankful not him.

[bubblerrovers]

He was so bad on Saturday i felt sorry for him, his confidence is obviously shot and some of the rovers fans didn't help, Why did he keep hoofing it henning berg style?. I can't see him being a rovers player next year unless we go down. It was so sad to see how little quality we had on saturday.

[Jonnolad]

That goes both ways Jonno. Some people just wont admit they were wrong, whatever their viewpoint.

KA form is a matter of opinion. His career stats when he retires will be the only reliable pointer.

His career stats for Rovers is all I'm interested in - and I'm not entirely sure why any Rovers fan would be interested in anything else. His stats so far aren't too bad either - 3 goals from 22 starts in the league. I'd love to see his opta stats but I don't know where you can obtain them (without paying) - if you do though brilliant and we'll see how he does.

I would happily admit I was wrong incidentally but pretty much all the tangible facts don't suggest I am. They are:

- Keith Andrews continues to be picked to start for us, over other players with more "pedigree", by the extremely experienced Sam Allardyce (who has absolutely no bias either way to play him since he didn't sign him).

- Keith Andrews has played so well for us, he is now a first choice starter for the ROI, again over other players with more "pedigree", by the supremely experienced Giovani Trappatoni.

- Football journalists (who's profession it is to know football) consistency rate him as competent or above - no fours or under as far as marks go for Keith, and I've personally never read a disparaging word about him in a published match report either (the only really disparaging stuff ironically is on here by his own fans!).

Now those are 3 tangible facts to back up my opinion that Andrews is a competent Premier League player for us, do you have any tangible facts yourself to dispute this? We're absolutely not interested in anything other than tangible unbiased facts here though.

If you don't have any then I'm intrigued as to why you and others continue to have such a low opinion of the bloke?

[Exiled in Toronto]

According to the Daily Telegraph, Andrews - the worst signing ever - had a pass completion rate on Saturday of 59% (low for him), exactly the same as Givet, who is apparently the best signing in the history of British football.

Oh, and Andrews did both a game-saving tackle and a terrific near goal-line clearance while Givet, er, got in the way of Lennon's cross. If those had been reversed we'd never have heard the end of it.

For a cheap stand-in, he's doing himself and us proud.

[Jonnolad]

According to the Daily Telegraph, Andrews - the worst signing ever - had a pass completion rate on Saturday of 59% (low for him), exactly the same as Givet, who is apparently the best signing in the history of British football.

Oh, and Andrews did both a game-saving tackle and a terrific near goal-line clearance while Givet, er, got in the way of Lennon's cross. If those had been reversed we'd never have heard the end of it.

For a cheap stand-in, he's doing himself and us proud.

Love it.

Those who are willing to admit they are wrong please step forward

[waggy]

andrews never gives less than 100% yet several players don't try and get away with it.ince signed the guy,he was slated from day 1,yet lardarse still plays him,funny that,and oojer was fit

[mhead]

And unlike the other 8 midfielders he is FIT and can last 90 minutes. The case for the defence rests.

[den]

His career stats for Rovers is all I'm interested in - and I'm not entirely sure why any Rovers fan would be interested in anything else. His stats so far aren't too bad either - 3 goals from 22 starts in the league. I'd love to see his opta stats but I don't know where you can obtain them (without paying) - if you do though brilliant and we'll see how he does.

I would happily admit I was wrong incidentally but pretty much all the tangible facts don't suggest I am. They are:

- Keith Andrews continues to be picked to start for us, over other players with more "pedigree", by the extremely experienced Sam Allardyce (who has absolutely no bias either way to play him since he didn't sign him).

- Keith Andrews has played so well for us, he is now a first choice starter for the ROI, again over other players with more "pedigree", by the supremely experienced Giovani Trappatoni.

- Football journalists (who's profession it is to know football) consistency rate him as competent or above - no fours or under as far as marks go for Keith, and I've personally never read a disparaging word about him in a published match report either (the only really disparaging stuff ironically is on here by his own fans!).

Now those are 3 tangible facts to back up my opinion that Andrews is a competent Premier League player for us, do you have any tangible facts yourself to dispute this? We're absolutely not interested in anything other than tangible unbiased facts here though.

If you don't have any then I'm intrigued as to why you and others continue to have such a low opinion of the bloke?

Because I watch him every week.

If a bad black puddin' played in blue and white halves, you would say it was a good 'un.

[RevidgeBlue]

Because I watch him every week.

If a bad black puddin' played in blue and white halves, you would say he was a good 'un.

Now if AESF had made a comment like that he'd never hear the end of it!

[den]

Now if AESF had made a comment like that he'd never hear the end of it!

Oops.

AESF's platform has been dragged from under his feet though.

[Jonnolad]

Because I watch him every week.

That's it. That's your tangible fact to back up your viewpoint. "Because I watch him every week" - brilliant, you couldn't make it up! In other words you have absolutely no tangible facts at all to back up your poor opinion of Andrews. None whatsoever.

You don't care what world class managers think of him, or respected journalists, or people who see him in training all the time and examine match videos of him. You have made your opinion because you “watch him every week”. Personally if that was me I'd start to contemplate the possibility that I was biased - but that's just me.

Here’s the clincher for me though; the opta stats. Are they just wrong in your head as well? Are they just made up? It weird because statistics are one thing that are generally accepted as just being right. Or are they usually right but the only one they are wrong about is Andrews?

Do you think perchance that you are actually just plain wrong here? Every single fact suggests you are – every single one. The phrase “in denial” springs to mind for some bizarre reason – I can’t think why!

I’m confused as to your black pudding comment incidentally, as I’m not defending any other players here, only the one that all the facts actually back up to being a decent player. Grella for instance - rubbish IMO considering his cost.

[Jonnolad]

Incidentally Den, what are your footballing credentials:

Ever played professionally?

Ever managed successfully?

Ever written about football professionally?

Has anyone of any note within football, ever sought your opinion of anything football related (and have they immediately regretted that decision )?

Just interested.

[den]

That's it. That's your tangible fact to back up your viewpoint. "Because I watch him every week" - brilliant, you couldn't make it up! In other words you have absolutely no tangible facts at all to back up your poor opinion of Andrews. None whatsoever.

Yup, I just post what I see Jonno. Can't think of any better way really.

Calm down son. In a few years you'll be able to make good assessments of players as well.

[Jonnolad]

Yup, I just post what I see Jonno. Can't think of any better way really.

Calm down son. In a few years you'll be able to make good assessments of players as well.

Here Den all things considered do you think this comment (your comment in fact) is true about you:

Some people just wont admit they were wrong, whatever their viewpoint.

Just wondering

Joking aside though, can you not appreciate that people like you and your unjustified biased viewpoint, with the moans and groans (and in some cases boos) on match day could actually have a detrimental effect on the player, and therefore have a damaging consequence on our Premier League survival fight?

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Joking aside though, can you not appreciate that people like you and your unjustified biased viewpoint, with the moans and groans (and in some cases boos) on match day could actually have a detrimental effect on the player, and therefore have a damaging consequence on our Premier League survival fight?

Course not, he just rolls his eyes back, fills his lungs and boos inanely, like he has done since the Summer.

I gave up trying to persuade Den to look past Andrews' past league months ago. Blood out of a stone.

He's set in his ways, you see.

And Den, believe it or not, other people see him every week. Some see him every day. They seem to think he's all right.

[den]

Here Den all things considered do you think this comment (your comment in fact) is true about you:

Some people just wont admit they were wrong, whatever their viewpoint.

Just wondering

Occassionally.

I gave up trying to persuade Den to look past Andrews' past league months ago. Blood out of a stone.

He's set in his ways, you see.

And Den, believe it or not, other people see him every week. Some see him every day. They seem to think he's all right.

You wont find any references to his MK Dons days from me ADB - you'll have to try harder than that to belittle my views.

Errr......... not everyone.

[Iceman]

Its a damn shame, that people who have never played professional football can think so little of a guy playing at the top. His name might not be that of a Brazilian, but the guy gives 100 percent, and doesnt pick himself. When you have players like Dunn and Grella constantly injured, here is a guy who says coach ill do my best for the TEAM even if im back on the bench the following week. Give the guy a break, he has done notthing to deserve the unfair criticism aimed towards him.