[Archived] Keith Andrews - Rovers Newest Signing

[dazmaz]

  Topman said:

You can use statistics to prove anything! 14% of all people know that!

and 64% of statistics are made up on the spot

[yankrover]

Grizfoot-where do you get those statistics?

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

I cant believe Allardyce rates him to be honest!!

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

And Trappatoni too.

Jesus. Don't they know we see him every-odd week?

[den]

Strange how you guys can't watch and work things out for yourselves. KA as good as Gareth Barry eh?

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

  den said:

Strange how you guys can't watch and work things out for yourselves.

You mean because we have a different opinion to yours, we're all wrong.

Right.

[Tris]

  den said:

Strange how you guys can't watch and work things out for yourselves. KA as good as Gareth Barry eh?

We don't shop in the same shops as Manchester City Den.

KA might not be as good as Gareth Barry, but for sure Barry isn't 12 times better either (as the relative prices might suggest).

I can't see our manager being able to afford / scout for free or cheap / loan in anything better than Keith Andrews in centre mid, so you may have to get used to the fact that he's a mainstay of the side next season.

I wonder if our deluge of new ST holders can be taught to drown out the resident Ewood Park moaners, and actually make KA feel like he's welcome on his home turf? We live in hope.

[den]

  Tris said:

I can't see our manager being able to afford / scout for free or cheap / loan in anything better than Keith Andrews in centre mid, so you may have to get used to the fact that he's a mainstay of the side next season.

If he is the mainstay of our side next season Tris - we're in for another long hard season. You must see that?

[AggyBlue]

  den said:

If he is the mainstay of our side next season Tris - we're in for another long hard season. You must see that?

Ah, you're one of the confused.

Where has anyone said he's anything more than a squad player?

[ABBEY]

4m lol smackheads

[Tris]

  den said:

If he is the mainstay of our side next season Tris - we're in for another long hard season. You must see that?

A not THE. You'll understand the marginal difference as you've been nailing people for misquoting/misrepresenting for the past 2 weeks!

You could say the same if you compared --

Nelsen to Ferdinand

Warnock to Gibbs

Givet to Alex

Roberts to John Carew.

Perhaps it'll be a long hard season - who knows? Don't blame it on Keith Andrews though.

[grizfoot]

  yankrover said:

Grizfoot-where do you get those statistics?

From the link Crazy Ivan posted up on the previous page, I just put them into percentages.

All this Andrews debate is growing tiresome though, this must be one of the biggest topics by now.

[den]

  Tris said:

A not THE. You'll understand the marginal difference as you've been nailing people for misquoting/misrepresenting for the past 2 weeks!

You could say the same if you compared --

Nelsen to Ferdinand

Warnock to Gibbs

Givet to Alex

Roberts to John Carew.

Perhaps it'll be a long hard season - who knows? Don't blame it on Keith Andrews though.

Amainstay.

THEmainstay.

Makes no difference Tris. If he's in our midfield next season we will struggle. He's one of, if not THEworst central mids in the Prem.

Don't go go the same way with KA as you did with Ince i.e. - "support him at all costs". Eventually people faced up to reality and we got rid of PI. It's just a matter of time with Andrews.

[jim mk2]

  den said:

Amainstay.

THEmainstay.

Makes no difference Tris. If he's in our midfield next season we will struggle. He's one of, if not THEworst central mids in the Prem.

Don't go go the same way with KA as you did with Ince i.e. - "support him at all costs". Eventually people faced up to reality and we got rid of PI. It's just a matter of time with Andrews.

Den, that particular poster would still have Ince in charge, thinks the sun shines out of Williams' derriere and has now chosen Andrews as his latest cause celebre.

I would ignore him. He knows nowt.

[Hughesy]

Keith Andrews did a job last season - mainly because he stays fit, and also because he works hard. He is abit slow when he tackles (hence all the fouls he gives away), but he still did a decent job.

I agree with above however - If Andrews is 1st choice midfield next season, then that isnt good enough. We need to improve that area. To be fair a fit Dunn or Emerton, alongside a fully match fit Grella is an improvement. I would however like us to add abit of quality in there.

[Kelbo]

  Hughesy said:

I agree with above however - If Andrews is 1st choice midfield next season, then that isnt good enough. We need to improve that area. To be fair a fit Dunn or Emerton, alongside a fully match fit Grella is an improvement. I would however like us to add abit of quality in there.

I totally agree

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I don't think anybody at any point has said Andrews should be starting. Some think he is worth a place in the SQUAD because he is versatile and is cheap, useful and reliable back up, some don't.

[tcj_jones]

  den said:

If he is the mainstay of our side next season Tris - we're in for another long hard season. You must see that?

  den said:

Amainstay.

THEmainstay.

Makes no difference Tris. If he's in our midfield next season we will struggle. He's one of, if not THEworst central mids in the Prem.

Don't go go the same way with KA as you did with Ince i.e. - "support him at all costs". Eventually people faced up to reality and we got rid of PI. It's just a matter of time with Andrews.

I'm completely with you on this one, Den.

Fortunately, I don't anticipate that he will be anything like a mainstay in the first team next season.

He'd be a reasonably good option for cover at CM and RB though.

[gumboots]

  Hughesy said:

Keith Andrews did a job last season - mainly because he stays fit, and also because he works hard. He is abit slow when he tackles (hence all the fouls he gives away), but he still did a decent job.

I agree with above however - If Andrews is 1st choice midfield next season, then that isnt good enough. We need to improve that area. To be fair a fit Dunn or Emerton, alongside a fully match fit Grella is an improvement. I would however like us to add abit of quality in there.

And which of them do you actually anticipate being fit and more importantly staying fit for any number of games? Emerton possibly although who knows how and when he will come back but as for the others, even with allardyce generally being better on keeping players fit than our previous manager, I don't hold out much hope.

[47er]

  gumboots said:

And which of them do you actually anticipate being fit and more importantly staying fit for any number of games? Emerton possibly although who knows how and when he will come back but as for the others, even with allardyce generally being better on keeping players fit than our previous manager, I don't hold out much hope.

Don't worry Gumboots-------Rothen will stay fit!

[gumboots]

  47er said:

Don't worry Gumboots-------Rothen will stay fit!

and that worries me more than the others not staying fit!

[den]

  gumboots said:

And which of them do you actually anticipate being fit and more importantly staying fit for any number of games? Emerton possibly although who knows how and when he will come back but as for the others

Read on teletext this morning GB, Emo will be fit for pre-season.

[Jonnolad]

  den said:

Makes no difference Tris. If he's in our midfield next season we will struggle. He's one of, if not THEworst central mids in the Prem.

Don't go go the same way with KA as you did with Ince i.e. - "support him at all costs".

Ironically, when it comes to Andrews, with you and some others though it's "oppose him at all costs" - which is bizarre when he hasn't done anything to justify that stance, and he is one of our own players at the end of the day!

Also, and I hate to point out the obvious here but your continuing Ince analogy doesn't work the way you want it to. With Ince the evidence pointed to him being crap, so if the point of your analogy is one of maintaining a stubborn position in the face of overwhelming evidence, then that is precisely what you are doing yourself with Andrews. All the objective evidence (if you don't know what that means then I suggest you look it up), points to Andrews being a competent performer, therefore to continue with the Ince analogy is actually to mock your own stubborn viewpoint.

As for him being "the worst central mid in the Prem" last season - you do make me laugh. Have you ever heard of anyone called Aaron Mokoena? How about Vincenzo Grella? David Dunn? There’s three who were worse than him and they're in our own team! Worst central mid in the Prem, that's almost as bad as me saying he was the best central mid in the Prem - I'd never do that as it's obviously ridiculous - I'd suggest you might want to contemplate that your own "worst central mid in the Prem" statement is equally so. I'd hazard a guess that you won't though - stubborn is as stubborn does eh!

[jim mk2]

  Jonnolad said:

Ironically, when it comes to Andrews, with you and some others though it's "oppose him at all costs" - which is bizarre when he hasn't done anything to justify that stance, and he is one of our own players at the end of the day!

Also, and I hate to point out the obvious here but your continuing Ince analogy doesn't work the way you want it to. With Ince the evidence pointed to him being crap, so if the point of your analogy is one of maintaining a stubborn position in the face of overwhelming evidence, then that is precisely what you are doing yourself with Andrews. All the objective evidence (if you don't know what that means then I suggest you look it up), points to Andrews being a competent performer, therefore to continue with the Ince analogy is actually to mock your own stubborn viewpoint.

As for him being "the worst central mid in the Prem" last season - you do make me laugh. Have you ever heard of anyone called Aaron Mokoena? How about Vincenzo Grella? David Dunn? There's three who were worse than him and they're in our own team! Worst central mid in the Prem, that's almost as bad as me saying he was the best central mid in the Prem - I'd never do that as it's obviously ridiculous - I'd suggest you might want to contemplate that your own "worst central mid in the Prem" statement is equally so. I'd hazard a guess that you won't though - stubborn is as stubborn does eh!

Why do keep posting this rubbish ?

Your defence of Andrews is becoming more and more ludicrous.

[thenodrog]

I don't do stats as a rule I just sit in the JW stand middle section and see what I see. I can tell you that I have no problem with KA as a squad player. He's prob cheap in comparison to others, he does try his level best and I cannot knock that BUT if we are to improve as a team then he needs to see most of next season out doing what I do... watching the action from the JW stand..... but a lot lower down.

  Jonnolad said:

Have you ever heard of anyone called Aaron Mokoena? How about Vincenzo Grella? David Dunn? There’s three who were worse than him and they're in our own team!

Mokoena is by rights a CH filling in in deep midfield and is poor I grant you. Injuries aside Grella and Dunn are both much better footballers than KA and thats that. If you disagree with that last bit then you are idiotic.