[Archived] Keith Andrews - Rovers Newest Signing

[tcj_jones]

Ah so Ooijer was fully fit after all. Why say he wasn't then? It just makes it look like you are making it up as you go along.

WTF are you on about?! Are you mental? What exactly am I making up as I go along? I knew that Andrews was played at right back, but not ahead of Ooijer. I couldn't recall why, but presumed it was down to injury or suspension. As it happens, it was because he was played at CB when Samba was sent up front. Either way, it's pretty irrelevant! ANDREWS WAS NOT PLAYED IN PREFERENCE TO OOIJER!

Oh, and don't accuse me of making things up as I go along - it was your original argument that Sam was picking Andrews ahead of OOIJER as well as Zurab!

Sam must place an awful lot on match fitness though if he's willing to play a dire player out of position rather than play someone in their favoured position, and it's a pacy position is centre back!

I'd suggest he does place an awful lot on match fitness, hence our best striker available - Benni - being on the bench for a prolonged period and Samba playing alone up front. Agree? Or do you think that Sam just doesn't rate him as a striker?

Anyway, this is more about playing Ooijer ahead of Zurab and not about playing Andrews in preference of Ooijer at RB and Zurab at CB. He wanted the centre of defence to be solid. Zurab played all of three games last season. He wasn't even close to match fitness. Andrews was.

I don't think that Andrews is a dire player, just not good enough for the Premier League. I'd put Grella, Dunn and Tugay ahead of him and, next season at least, I would expect him to be a bench player at best. I've had to say this so many times now, I can't quite believe it.

I'm not sure why you're mentioning pace.

I'm saying Sam rates Andrews out of position at right back more than he rates Zurab in position (I would have thought you would have grasped that by now).

No, you original argument was that he was played in preference of BOTH Ooijer and Zurab. Then you changed your mind. I'm saying that Sam placed greater preference on having a match-fit player over one who hasn't played all season and wouldn't be up to the pace. I thought that you would have grasped that by now?

Ever heard of Occam's razor? It states: that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.

Put simply - the most obvious explanation is almost always the correct one. It's pretty much been the basis of human knowledge since the dark ages.

You however ignore the most obvious explanation, and just fire out one's that you make up as you go along. Who cares if they are wrong, just go on to the next one.

Perhaps Sam tried kissing Zurab on the training ground but when he spurned his advances he left him on the bench. Perhaps Zurab's mum is a gypsy and she'd had a vision that "great evil will befall his first born if he started the match", so he wouldn't play.

Or perhaps, just perhaps, Sam rates Andrews out of position at right back more than he rates Zurab in position.

You really are an odd ball. That isn't the most obvious explanation anyway. Perhaps it is you that is wrong?

If Andrews is barely good enough for the bench, then why does Sam continually start with him?

It's a mystery wrapped inside an enigma!

Or do you know more than Sam Allardyce when it comes to football?

Oh sweet Jesus! I cannot keep reading this! How many times: Andrews was played during a season where Dunn and Grella were perenially injured and when Tugay couldn't manage more than 60mins at a time. When Dunn an Grella started to return to fitness, Andrews found himself at RB and not in his favoured position.

You're so pig headedly stubborn it's unreal. It's like arguing with a mule.

[sambo]

Andrews isn't good enough to be a consistent starter in our team. Last year he did, but if I am being honest I expect us to be a far stronger outfit next season. We need to remember, we were in the lower reaches of the Premiership and had Reid, Dunn, Grella and Tugay unavailable, meaning Andrews DID play consistently, and did a decent job. However, that is all he is : he's a good player to have as backup, as he won't complain or moan. He doesn't deserve criticism, however doesn't warrant a place in our starting 11 should we wish to achieve a better position in next year's campaign. On another note, I have a horrible feeling the lad would go hiding when we played Burnley, don't think it is his type of game...

[Mc Love]

Can't believe people are still trying to debate Andrews - everyone knows if Real hadnt signed Ronaldo, they were coming for him, or is that reason why everyone is upset, hmm i can understand, its all starting to make sense now

[Blue n White Rover]

Andrews isn't good enough to be a consistent starter in our team. Last year he did, but if I am being honest I expect us to be a far stronger outfit next season. We need to remember, we were in the lower reaches of the Premiership and had Reid, Dunn, Grella and Tugay unavailable, meaning Andrews DID play consistently, and did a decent job. However, that is all he is : he's a good player to have as backup, as he won't complain or moan. He doesn't deserve criticism, however doesn't warrant a place in our starting 11 should we wish to achieve a better position in next year's campaign. On another note, I have a horrible feeling the lad would go hiding when we played Burnley, don't think it is his type of game...

He's a division 1 player. He'd fit right in, and probably get MOTM.

[tcj_jones]

Didn't Jordi Gomez play in the Championship and for Espanyol in La Liga? I see the parrallels with Andrews, but I'd say he has a far better chance of succeeding in the Premier League.

[imy9]

I cannot believe the ridiculous arguments on here about little old Andrews.

Is Andrews a world beater? NO

Would I be happy to see Andrews start against Man City first game of the season if everyone was fit? NO

Is Andrews a PL player? YES, he has shown more than enough in his first full season in the PL to warrant a squad place for Blackburn Rovers FC, his versatility has been a MASSIVE advantage this season for us and for the Andrews haters think about how we would have coped without him (I know scary place for you to go).

He has cost us £750K, scored 4 goals and generally played quite well. The goals highlight a good positional sense and his work rate is obviously appreciated by both Trap and Sam.

Finally it is interesting that there are PL clubs wanting Andrews, as he is a good squad man.

[tcj_jones]

I don't 'hate' Andrews. I like the guy. I can't fault his enthusiasm or commitment. I'll always give him a good reception, as I will if he ever returns to Ewood with another team. When he made his first appearance for the club, I was actually pleasantly surprised and thought he could be a good player. However, he didn't prove to live up to my expectations.

Last season, I don't think even Ince envisaged him being a first team regular. That he was, however, was not through meriting a place in the side, but through circumstance (well maybe over Mokoena) - namely Dunn, Grella and Reid being injured and Tugay not being able to last longer than an hour. But he did do a reasonable job, which is impressive considering the jump from League Two / League One. I also think he did pretty well filling in at right back.

I always thought that the price we paid was circa £750k, but have been informed on here that it was actually nearer to double that. If that's the case, then that makes the deal a fair bit more expensive.

He certainly isn't good enough to be a regular Premier League starter. He doesn't offer an awful lot from the bench as he certainly isn't an impact kinda player. He might be useful to occasionally sure up the midfield when we are defending a lead with a short time to go as he can keep the ball ticking over with short range passes, but that's about it.

Next season I'd imagine Dunn, Grella and at least one new CM signing to be above him in the pecking order and maybe even Reid if he starts to show signs of regaining fitness.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Didn't Jordi Gomez play in the Championship and for Espanyol in La Liga? I see the parrallels with Andrews, but I'd say he has a far better chance of succeeding in the Premier League.

I'd swap him for Gomez no problem.

[donis1410]

As said above he couldn't have done that bad if a successful and well known manager like gio trap at Ireland rates him...

[sambo]

As said above he couldn't have done that bad if a successful and well known manager like gio trap at Ireland rates him...

I agree, but not this AGAIN. In this thread each side of the argument constantly repeats themselves, and how its dragged so far is beyond me!

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Is Andrews a PL player? YES, he has shown more than enough in his first full season in the PL to warrant a squad place for Blackburn Rovers FC, his versatility has been a MASSIVE advantage this season for us and for the Andrews haters think about how we would have coped without him (I know scary place for you to go).

Everyone to their own but WOW to that!

We can and must do better than the quality of Andrews if our side is to become better.

[bobsterbrfc]

*Bobsterbrfc throws his hat into the "Andrews is a good squad player" camp*

[donis1410]

I would rather have a squad player like andrews that works hard than a squad player who is earning huge wages and is not too bothered whether he plays or recovers from injury or not

[grizfoot]

I don't 'hate' Andrews. I like the guy. I can't fault his enthusiasm or commitment. I'll always give him a good reception, as I will if he ever returns to Ewood with another team. When he made his first appearance for the club, I was actually pleasantly surprised and thought he could be a good player. However, he didn't prove to live up to my expectations.

Last season, I don't think even Ince envisaged him being a first team regular. That he was, however, was not through meriting a place in the side, but through circumstance (well maybe over Mokoena) - namely Dunn, Grella and Reid being injured and Tugay not being able to last longer than an hour. But he did do a reasonable job, which is impressive considering the jump from League Two / League One. I also think he did pretty well filling in at right back.

I always thought that the price we paid was circa £750k, but have been informed on here that it was actually nearer to double that. If that's the case, then that makes the deal a fair bit more expensive.

He certainly isn't good enough to be a regular Premier League starter. He doesn't offer an awful lot from the bench as he certainly isn't an impact kinda player. He might be useful to occasionally sure up the midfield when we are defending a lead with a short time to go as he can keep the ball ticking over with short range passes, but that's about it.

Next season I'd imagine Dunn, Grella and at least one new CM signing to be above him in the pecking order and maybe even Reid if he starts to show signs of regaining fitness.

He replaced Ooijer at half-time in the West Ham home game. We played much better in the second half partly due to the fact he was offering an attacking threat from RB he also got us the goal that won us a point in that game. I'd call that having an impact.

[den]

He replaced Ooijer at half-time in the West Ham home game. We played much better in the second half partly due to the fact he was offering an attacking threat from RB he also got us the goal that won us a point in that game. I'd call that having an impact.

Now we're going really silly. An impact player Andrews is not!

[sambo]

Now we're going really silly. An impact player Andrews is not!

Agreed.

He played well at right back that day because Wham were backs to the wall in their own half, and didn't attack.

Valuable goal though

[John]

Fulham and Birmingham want £2million Blackburn midfielder

KEITH ANDREWS is at the centre of a three-way tussle for his services next season.

Birmingham and Fulham are both willing to pay £2million for the Blackburn midfielder.

But Rovers want to extend his contract, which has two years left to run. Andrews, 28, has earned cult status with the Blackburn fans.

[gumboots]

Fulham and Birmingham want £2million Blackburn midfielder

KEITH ANDREWS is at the centre of a three-way tussle for his services next season.

Birmingham and Fulham are both willing to pay £2million for the Blackburn midfielder.

But Rovers want to extend his contract, which has two years left to run. Andrews, 28, has earned cult status with the Blackburn fans.

Yes, as the player most love to hate!

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I heard Den singing the Pele song about Andrews against West Brom, I'm sure I did.

[Mozzer]

2million for keith andrews-snap their hands off..

cult status lol..

[Jackson]

[ But Rovers want to extend his contract, which has two years left to run. Andrews, 28, has earned cult status with the Blackburn fans.[/b]

...in addition to a facebook page dedicated to the re-signing of Mokoena...

[BlueMonday]

Fulham and Birmingham want £2million Blackburn midfielder

KEITH ANDREWS is at the centre of a three-way tussle for his services next season.

Birmingham and Fulham are both willing to pay £2million for the Blackburn midfielder.

But Rovers want to extend his contract, which has two years left to run. Andrews, 28, has earned cult status with the Blackburn fans.

Super Atko! Super Atko!

[LDRover]

Fulham and Birmingham want £2million Blackburn midfielder

KEITH ANDREWS is at the centre of a three-way tussle for his services next season.

Birmingham and Fulham are both willing to pay £2million for the Blackburn midfielder.

But Rovers want to extend his contract, which has two years left to run. Andrews, 28, has earned cult status with the Blackburn fans.

You sure you spelt 'cult' right?

[Guest benmaxwell]

You sure you spelt 'cult' right?

As i said in the links section, it's copied from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Andrews_(footballer)

[john-rover]

As i said in the links section, it's copied from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Andrews_(footballer)

i think you missed the joke!