[Archived] Keith Andrews - Rovers Newest Signing

[philipl]

Andrews was an absolute embarasment at right back.

The opposition just ran straight past him with the ball.

[LeChuck]

Glad it's not just me then

They just don't make obsessed nutters like they used to, I long for the days of lofty and that guy who was in love with Pedersen.

[champions1995]

You're the most infuriating person I've ever come across on this board, and that's saying something.

I've answered Andrews at right back MANY times for you. He only ever played there when Ooijer was injured, or when Ooijer was needed at centre back. He was never picked at right back ahead of Ooijer, he was always filling in there because of injuries/suspensions.

Andrews was only prefered to Khizanishvilli - who can't really play at right back anyway (remember Man City away), but WAS NOT prefered ahead of Ooijer. As LeChuck said, Andrews played at right back only because of desperation caused by injuries/supensions.

[Blue blood]

And then there was that Micky Gray stalker.

Interestingly all cloggers seem to be tainted for good or bad by the manager who brought them. I can't remember anyone really sticking the boot into Kuqi (criticising him yes, but not to the same extent) but then he was brought by Hughes. Ward however, I never thought was quite as bad as people made out but seemed to get excessive stick - possibly due to the Kidd conection. Grabbi was brought during the good Souness times, and again doesn't seem to get quite as many detractors as his performances warrent.

I would like to stress I am not saying Andrews is brilliant - far from it - think I agree with what most people have said on here (in fact I'd have got rid at 2 million). I just think it's an interesting tangent that player-manager associations seem to play a role in fans perceptions, and always seem to. Guess you could say that about lots more players then just the ones I've listed, and not just those who count as flops.

[Pugg]

He was also preferred at right back, with Ooijer at centre back, and Khizanishvili on the bench in some games (that's Andrews played out of position rather than both the other players in position).

Maybe it says more about Sam's opinion of Zurab than it does about Andrew's talent.

[47er]

Would you call Ooijer decent? Khizanishvili?

Andrews was started out of position over those players in position - so there's obviously a huge problem with your argument.

Andrews was started in front of Ooijer at right back in some games (that's Andrews being preferred out of position over the hugely experienced Ooijer). He was also preferred at right back, with Ooijer at centre back, and Khizanishvili on the bench in some games (that's Andrews played out of position rather than both the other players in position).

It's not my fault that your arguments are so weak incidentally - perhaps you need to re-evaluate them if you don't want them to be so easily dismissed.

You are doing it again.

[Hughesy]

4. Andrews is a fringe player/back up worth keeping. - However id sell for £3m+

[Pugg]

Grabbi was brought during the good Souness times, and again doesn't seem to get quite as many detractors as his performances warrent.

I think he gets the most abuse, even now!

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Nice to see you're speaking for everybody.

Enough is enough now, lets make a poll and see how people really rate him and stop the "everyone thinks this or that" crap.

1. Andrews should be club captain.

2. Andrews is a starter.

3. Andrews is a rotational squad player.

4. Andrews is a fringe player/back up worth keeping.

5. Andrews is not good enough.

6. Sell him at any price.

Fine, amendments.

1. Andrews should be club captain and not to be sold at any price.

2. Andrews is a starter and not to be sold at any price.

3. Andrews is a rotational squad player and should not be sold at any price.

4. Andrews is a fringe player/back up and I would sell for 5m or above only.

5. Andrews is a fringe player/back up and I would sell for 4m or above only.

6. Andrews is a fringe player/back up and I would sell for 3m or above only.

7. Andrews is a fringe player/back up and I would sell for 2m or above only.

8. Andrews is a fringe player/back up and I would sell for 1m or above only.

9.. Release him on a free.

EDIT: That still isn't right. We need two polls really, his quality rating and his price value.

[LeChuck]

10. Play Grooby instead.

[CrazyIvan]

I am genuinelly sick of this thread. It comes down to this; some think Andrews is crap, some think he's a squad player. As far as I can tell, nobody has said he's a worldbeater. That's that argument finished with. The other point is that he is a Rovers player and as such should get our full support as he has never caused any problems for the team or done anything to bring the club into disrepute, in fact he has always given his all. While he is picked and on the pitch he should be supported like any other Rover. Until such times as he is sold we should support him. I'm not saying people shouldn't comment on his performances (when he is actually playing competitively) but to constantly run over the same old ground over and over is obsessive and annoying. Can people stop posting the same old same old and obsessing about someone obsessing about someone obsessing about someone obsessing about Andrews ad infinitum please?

[Pugg]

I am genuinelly sick of this thread.

There are a lot of people who are gluttons for punishment .

[jim mk2]

Is Jonnolad Keith Andrews?

You seem to have 2 very clear problems Jim:

1) None of my arguments have been demolished - just saying they have doesn't make it so (no matter how much you want it to).

2) I'm not in the minority - you now are. Have a good careful read of thenodrog's post and then see how many people openly agreed with it.

So it's you and Gordon against the rest - well done.

Read through the thread. You have been discredited time and again.

Probably difficult to take for somone with a personality disorder and a huge ego but accept it and go and have a life somewhere else.

[T4E]

Pointing out the ridiculousness of your arguments clearly isn't the same as personal insults - it's a bit bizarre to suggest it is.

Now you claim that Andrews is getting played by default, i.e. there's no-one else to play. If that's the case though, and since he's been played out of position by default, that means you are personally admitting that Andrews is therefore better than at least 10 other Rovers players. Are all these players not Premier League standard therefore, even as squad players? If that's your argument (and that has to be your argument if you are saying he is only there by default), then that's fair enough, but I don't see you (or anyone else) berating any of these other players - especially considering these players are almost certainly getting paid more than Andrews.

Agreed.

You've now posted 112 on a THREAD ABOUT KEITH ANDREWS. Thats absolutely crazy. You've been a member here for almost exactly 2 years. You've only posted 274 in total. That means 41% of all of your posts have been on this thread. And thats not even counting the numerous times you've blabbed on about him on other threads! Are you unwell? I admire your spirit in sticking up for someone that you think has been done a wrong, but do you not think you've gone slightly OTT?

Mate, seriously, give up. Any point you now make, no matter how good, has already been completely undermined by your clear obsession with this.

[Blue blood]

I think he gets the most abuse, even now!

You reckon? I'm not so sure on that. Sure I don't think anyone things he was a raging success, but I can remember lots of comments like he was unlucky, or he had talent he just didn't suit the premiership. And maybe time has taken the edge of it but I don't think he takes anywhere near the flak that others, like Andrews gets. A more direct comparison would be with Davies, who seems to get slated a lot more for his time at rovers than grabbi does (probably in part due to attitude.)

Btw I'd go with no 7.

[bazza]

10. Play Grooby instead.

Thanks, Le Chuck. I suggested that many pages ago.

BTW, it seems Jonnolad is up against it on here so I'd just like to add my membership of the Keith Andrews Appreciation Society.

Get off Jonno's back you lot!

[imy9]

97 pages on Keith Andrews, wow.

The one undeniable truth is that Keith Andrews was disliked by a majority of fans on here before he signed and during because of his association to Ince.

I have stated this a number of times but will do again. I love players who give 100%, I love players who despite obvious obstacles (booing by his own fans being one) continues working hard and performing and for this I like seeing Andrews in a Rovers shirt. Now before the "you are mad because you think Andrews is world class" group attack I will say the following:

Do I want to see Andrews in the first 11 next year? NO.

Do I think that we should sell Andrews if we get more than £2 million? YES

Do I want Andrews as a squad player next year? YES YES YES!!

[Alex Rover]

Yes we all agree with that except Jonnolad and one or two others who are mental. I've asked this before but as virtually everyone is of the same opinion, Mods please please close this thread.

[BuckyRover]

I don't think we should sell for 2m.

Who would we replace him with? And why go to the bother, he has obviously settled in and the manager likes him so why should we have to replace ANOTHER member of the squad. Consistency is key to success.

I would sell for 4m or more and only if we had a decent premiership player lined up who is always fit and can play at right back and in central midfield and score a 4 or more goals a season.

[tcj_jones]

The one undeniable truth is that Keith Andrews was disliked by a majority of fans on here before he signed and during because of his association to Ince.

I don't think that is true at all. The majority probably had their reservations because of the link to Ince, but more so because of the fact the had jumped up two divisions. I don't think people took an instant dislike to him, and I don't think that the majority dislike him even now - I certainly don't.

[LeChuck]

I think Robinson is a fantastic goalkeeper and he was signed by Ince. Balls to 'undeniable truth'.

[imy9]

I think Robinson is a fantastic goalkeeper and he was signed by Ince. Balls to 'undeniable truth'.

I was alluding to the apparent "friendship" that people think existed between them, similar to Fowler. A majority were against the signing because of the fact that Andrews was from league 2 and the first point I made. This was merely exasperated when results went against us.

I think I stated at the time of his signing that he would be a relative success at around £500K and Carlos would not for £5 million.

Out of interest did you think Robbo was a "fantastic" keeper after half the season had passed?

[onlyoneDuff]

the sad part of this thread is the same posters who continue to slate Andrews ignore the fact that he easily outplayed our 4 million dollar midfielder....yet those same posters continue to say Grella will come good....based on what? the fact that he played for a lower table Italian sides?...at this point I would think Andrews is worth more monetarily and to Rovers. Where is the 97 page thread devoted to our Aussie crock?

[philipl]

Agreed Grella has been hugely disappointing.

Doesn't hide the fact that Andrews isn't a PL player for all his application and fantastic attitude.

[Ritchie]

Keith Andrews is a complete and utter non-entity and should be sold. The same applies to Vince Grella.

Paul Ince has a lot to answer for. The arsehole.