[Archived] Keith Andrews - Rovers Newest Signing

[Jan]

Keith Andrews is a complete and utter non-entity and should be sold. The same applies to Vince Grella.

Paul Ince has a lot to answer for. The arsehole.

I Like this person.

Sentiments above echoed exactly

[47er]

Keith Andrews is a complete and utter non-entity and should be sold. The same applies to Vince Grella.

Paul Ince has a lot to answer for. The arsehole.

Harsh-----------but fair.

[tcj_jones]

the sad part of this thread is the same posters who continue to slate Andrews ignore the fact that he easily outplayed our 4 million dollar midfielder....yet those same posters continue to say Grella will come good....based on what? the fact that he played for a lower table Italian sides?...at this point I would think Andrews is worth more monetarily and to Rovers. Where is the 97 page thread devoted to our Aussie crock?

I'm not sure it's actually a case of Andrews OUTplaying Grella, more like a case of Andrews being fit enough to be on the pitch and Grella not!

[Jonnolad]

You're the most infuriating person I've ever come across on this board, and that's saying something.

I've answered Andrews at right back MANY times for you. He only ever played there when Ooijer was injured, or when Ooijer was needed at centre back. He was never picked at right back ahead of Ooijer, he was always filling in there because of injuries/suspensions.

Yes but as I showed last time - you are bang wrong on that one. I'm surprised you don't remember in fact because I repeated it 3 times on the same post just to make sure it went in - bizarrely though that didn't work because you've obviously forgotten.

Andrews stated ahead of Ooijer for our Spurs home game at the very least - Ooijer started on the bench and Andrews started at right back. Look it up if you don't believe me. Therefore Andrews didn't only play there when Ooijer was either injured or suspended.

Also when Ooijer was covering at centre back - why didn't Sam play Khizanishvili there instead (his favoured position), and then play Ooijer at right back. Instead he played Andrews out of position instead of playing those 2 in position.

Of course when this comes up again you'll claim you've answered me "MANY" times before. Yes you did answer me but you were shown to be absolutely bang wrong last time as well.

And then you have the cheek to call me infuriating

[joey_big_nose]

I'm not sure it's actually a case of Andrews OUTplaying Grella, more like a case of Andrews being fit enough to be on the pitch and Grella not!

Being fit is an enormous and underrated virtue.

[Jonnolad]

You've now posted 112 on a THREAD ABOUT KEITH ANDREWS. Thats absolutely crazy. You've been a member here for almost exactly 2 years. You've only posted 274 in total. That means 41% of all of your posts have been on this thread. And thats not even counting the numerous times you've blabbed on about him on other threads! Are you unwell? I admire your spirit in sticking up for someone that you think has been done a wrong, but do you not think you've gone slightly OTT?

Why do you care? It's as if you (and others) can't debate the issue, have nothing to actually add anymore to back up your opinion other than repeat something that's already been shown to be wrong (see my reply to LeChuck above for a classic example of this) and this is all you now have.

"Keith's a decent player because Sam obviously favours him out of position rather over other more established players in position"

"Yeah, well...........you post too much about Andrews"

The irony is we've even gone through this before - numerous times. And as I pointed out last time it's the type of response you'd expect in the playground.

People claim that then are bored with the repetition but then just ask the same questions over and over and over again.

[tcj_jones]

It's important Joey, but you can be the fittest man in the world, it doesn't make you a good player. I think you're over-exaggerating this as one of Andrews good attributes somehow!

[Jonnolad]

So it's you and Gordon against the rest - well done.

Read through the thread. You have been discredited time and again.

But I haven't though Jim, that's the big problem you have unfortunately.

Where have I been discredited? Which of my points have been discredited? Would one example be too much to ask for? I'm guessing it would.

As I've said before, you saying I've been discredited doesn't make it so - however many times you apparently bore people by saying it.

Incidentally, I'd take a look through and see who actually quoted and agreed with Gordon's post btw - there wasn't just me. Alternatively of course you could just remain in complete denial like you clearly are with your "discredited" pap. I'd hazard a guess in fact that you'll just repeat said nonsense over and over in the hope that it might, in some fairytale way, make it come true (I hate to be the one to tell you this but it won't though).

[thenodrog]

But I haven't though Jim, that's the big problem you have unfortunately.

Where have I been discredited? Which of my points have been discredited? Would one example be too much to ask for? I'm guessing it would.

As I've said before, you saying I've been discredited doesn't make it so - however many times you apparently bore people by saying it.

Incidentally, I'd take a look through and see who actually quoted and agreed with Gordon's post btw - there wasn't just me. Alternatively of course you could just remain in complete denial like you clearly are with your "discredited" pap. I'd hazard a guess in fact that you'll just repeat said nonsense over and over in the hope that it might, in some fairytale way, make it come true (I hate to be the one to tell you this but it won't though).

I think you should point out to Jim that although KA is not a player that we want to see very often on the pich it does not make him a bad person. The nature of Jim's criticisms suggest that he thinks it does.

[joey_big_nose]

It's important Joey, but you can be the fittest man in the world, it doesn't make you a good player. I think you're over-exaggerating this as one of Andrews good attributes somehow!

A competant fit player is a much better asset than an injury prone slightly better one as they will actually play the games and contribute. I don't doubt that Dunn is a better player than Andrews but Andrews did much much more for Rovers last season than the big man did just by being on the pitch. People always forget this.

[LeChuck]

Yes but as I showed last time - you are bang wrong on that one. I'm surprised you don't remember in fact because I repeated it 3 times on the same post just to make sure it went in - bizarrely though that didn't work because you've obviously forgotten.

Andrews stated ahead of Ooijer for our Spurs home game at the very least - Ooijer started on the bench and Andrews started at right back. Look it up if you don't believe me. Therefore Andrews didn't only play there when Ooijer was either injured or suspended.

Also when Ooijer was covering at centre back - why didn't Sam play Khizanishvili there instead (his favoured position), and then play Ooijer at right back. Instead he played Andrews out of position instead of playing those 2 in position.

Of course when this comes up again you'll claim you've answered me "MANY" times before. Yes you did answer me but you were shown to be absolutely bang wrong last time as well.

And then you have the cheek to call me infuriating

Regarding the Spurs game you've mentioned, Ooijer had gone off at half time in the previous game with a groin strain. It's not unreasonable to assume he wasn't fit enough to start the Spurs game. So, like I said, Andrews has never started ahead of Ooijer at right back.

Do you remember Sam's time at Bolton? Do you remember when he was playing Henrik Pedersen at left back? This suggests Sam is quite happy to play poor players out of position at full back, maybe he doesn't consider it a 'key' area of the team. Centre back certainly is a key position, which is why he will have picked his strongest two players (one of which happened to be Ooijer) then filled in the gaps at full back with who was left. Either that or he just doesn't rate Zurab at all.

Either way, Andrews hasn't started ahead of Ooijer at right back except when injuries/suspensions made it necessary.

[imy9]

Regarding the Spurs game you've mentioned, Ooijer had gone off at half time in the previous game with a groin strain. It's not unreasonable to assume he wasn't fit enough to start the Spurs game. So, like I said, Andrews has never started ahead of Ooijer at right back.

Do you remember Sam's time at Bolton? Do you remember when he was playing Henrik Pedersen at left back? This suggests Sam is quite happy to play poor players out of position at full back, maybe he doesn't consider it a 'key' area of the team. Centre back certainly is a key position, which is why he will have picked his strongest two players (one of which happened to be Ooijer) then filled in the gaps at full back with who was left. Either that or he just doesn't rate Zurab at all.

Either way, Andrews hasn't started ahead of Ooijer at right back except when injuries/suspensions made it necessary.

Its not unreasonable to think that but the fact remains that Ooijer was on the bench and Andrews started ahead of him, unless you know some confirmed insider information?

Just checked he started against Macedonia on April 1st, before the Spurs game:

http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminaries...214/report.html

Second point, I remember that time well and I recall how well Henrik did in that position (wrong example to choose):

http://www.boltonwanderers-mad.co.uk/news/...W&id=240769

Doesnt rate Zurab or prefers Andrews?

[philipl]

It is bonkers to suggest Andrews has ever been played ahead of Ooijer being in the team at right back. I cannot recall it happening once.

The reality this season is that Keith has an enormous uphill task to get into the team ahead of the players Rovers are going to have available because they are all technically better players than he is. We will need to have another serious injury/suspension crisis before he gets a look in.

All credit to the lad-he is giving it a really good go in pre-season but I guess class will prevail in the end and Keith's main concern will be whether he makes the 7 on the bench or not.

[den]

Give it up LeChuck, I have.

[Jonnolad]

Regarding the Spurs game you've mentioned, Ooijer had gone off at half time in the previous game with a groin strain. It's not unreasonable to assume he wasn't fit enough to start the Spurs game. So, like I said, Andrews has never started ahead of Ooijer at right back.

Do you remember Sam's time at Bolton? Do you remember when he was playing Henrik Pedersen at left back? This suggests Sam is quite happy to play poor players out of position at full back, maybe he doesn't consider it a 'key' area of the team. Centre back certainly is a key position, which is why he will have picked his strongest two players (one of which happened to be Ooijer) then filled in the gaps at full back with who was left. Either that or he just doesn't rate Zurab at all.

Either way, Andrews hasn't started ahead of Ooijer at right back except when injuries/suspensions made it necessary.

As imy9 has kindly pointed out Ooijer wasn't injured - he played the full 90 minutes for Holland between the West Ham and Spurs game.

I've got to say though LeChuck that this type of thing is actually a refreshing change on this thread - it's a proper debate backed up by knowledge of the games (as opposed to some non-football related drivel people have been posting). I can't find anything to say that Ooijer came off at half time injured for the West Ham game though, however I can definitely see why it would be a fair assumption for a half time substitution.

The fact remains though, with all the information available, that Ooijer was definitely on the bench (fit) and Andrews started at right back for the Spurs game.

That aside, my main point has always been that Sam consistantly preferred Andrews at right back and Ooijer at centre back, with a fit Khizanishvili being kept on the bench. Therefore, at the very least, Sam clearly preferred Andrews out of position than he did Zurab in his favoured position (plus he rated Andrews over most of our other non-staters also). I'm wondering how the Andrews detractors would therefore rate Khizanishvili - decent squad player?

[Darth Paul]

Jonnolad, Rovers fans always have to have a scapegoat, it used to be the likes of Wilcox or Super Atko, now it just happens to be Andrews. There is no logic or footballing knowledge applied to this criticism, it is down to two facts, 1) Ince bought him, and 2) He came from a much lower league. If it was based on performances then we would be having a pop at several other players first.

I remember saying to my old man at one of the last games of the season at Ewood that Andrews had done a very good job at full back. He is a valuable squad member on what I would imagine are relatively low wages, can play in a couple of different postions, and wont cause the manager grief if he doesnt play every week.

There are better players out there than Keith Andrews, but then again there are better players out there than most of our side. I always draw comparisons to Mark Atkins - very fit, underrated by all but the management, not technically the best but filled a role within the team/squad very well, including scoring a few vital goals (not the OG against Liverpool BTW!).

This thread is getting incredibly boring, but it aint because of you...

[broadsword]

I for one never slagged superAtko off, I always thought he was a great player.

The ultimate criterion is what they're like on the pitch, and Andrews isn't good enough, that is my opinion.

[Darth Paul]

Good enough for what though?

I am not sure what we expect this year - a top 6 finish, a midfield oozing with class all on £70k per week, Brazillian football?

He is good enough for our current situation, as a squad player at the very least.

[Jonnolad]

It is bonkers to suggest Andrews has ever been played ahead of Ooijer being in the team at right back. I cannot recall it happening once.

The reality this season is that Keith has an enormous uphill task to get into the team ahead of the players Rovers are going to have available because they are all technically better players than he is. We will need to have another serious injury/suspension crisis before he gets a look in.

All credit to the lad-he is giving it a really good go in pre-season but I guess class will prevail in the end and Keith's main concern will be whether he makes the 7 on the bench or not.

I've got to ask Philip; do you rate Sam Allardyce as a manager? Do you trust his judgement on players ability? Can I also ask how you would rate Khizanishvili as a player?

Last season the fact is Sam consistently chose Andrews out of position over Zurab in position - consistently. That's at the very least - if Andrews was being played out of position it meant he was rated by our manager over a whole host of other players who could have also been played out of position.

Can you therefore see why I can't agree with your dire assessment of Andrews, since, at the very least, it seems to fly in the face of our manager's assessment of the player?

As for next season, for arguments sake, how would you feel if Andrews is not only on the bench but also gets to play in some matches over fit players who you think have more ability? At what point would you start to question your assessment of the player?

[den]

There is no logic or footballing knowledge applied to this criticism, it is down to two facts, 1) Ince bought him, and 2) He came from a much lower league. If it was based on performances then we would be having a pop at several other players first.

Logic? Don't see much logic in your assumptions that the fans who don't rate Andrews, have no idea about football and can't watch a player then decide for themselves, while the people who think he's good, are good judges.

[LeChuck]

As imy9 has kindly pointed out Ooijer wasn't injured - he played the full 90 minutes for Holland between the West Ham and Spurs game.

I've got to say though LeChuck that this type of thing is actually a refreshing change on this thread - it's a proper debate backed up by knowledge of the games (as opposed to some non-football related drivel people have been posting). I can't find anything to say that Ooijer came off at half time injured for the West Ham game though, however I can definitely see why it would be a fair assumption for a half time substitution.

This is from the West Ham match review on rovers.co.uk:

"Rovers were forced into a change at the break as Andre Ooijer was unable to continue due to a groin strain, but it was his replacement Keith Andrews who made an immediate impact."

I didn't realise played for Holland in between the West Ham and Spurs game, it's possible he aggravated the injury though. It just seems to me that it would be a huge coincidence that the only time Andrews played right back when Ooijer was on the bench was when Ooijer had gone off injured in the previous game.

Anyway that's my last input on this. I don't actually mind Keith, as squad players go he's adequate enough, but I'd rather take £2 million from Fulham and buy someone better (using extra money from the Roque sale).

[47er]

Jonnolad,

This thread is getting incredibly boring, but it aint because of you...

You're joking aren't you? Of course its because of him. That bit above about whether Andrews had ever been picked at right-back ahead of Oojier----how many times has he put that up and been answered? Yet he brings it up again as if it had never happened.

My last contribution on the most boring topic ever with the most infuriating, nit-picking contributor..

PS-----Andrews is not Premier League class.

[Jonnolad]

Logic? Don't see much logic in your assumptions that the fans who don't rate Andrews, have no idea about football and can't watch a player then decide for themselves, while the people who think he's good, are good judges.

I'd be quite happy to completely discount both our opinions though, and just rely on what the professionals think:

Sam Allardyce - rates him

Roy Hodgson - rates him

Giovanni Trappatoni - rates him

Do you have any professionals who agree with your viewpoint?

[alexanders]

but it was his replacement Keith Andrews who made an immediate impact."

[den]

I'd be quite happy to completely discount both our opinions though, and just rely on what the professionals think:

Sam Allardyce - rates him

Roy Hodgson - rates him

Giovanni Trappatoni - rates him

Do you have any professionals who agree with your viewpoint?

Jonno, you are an irritating so and so.