[Archived] Keith Andrews - Rovers Newest Signing

[Darth Paul]

It's been done before but off the top of my head I can recall in the past 40 years or so Frank Large, Paul McKinnon, Steve Round, Richard Brown along with the more recent examples such as Grabbi, Donis, Valery and Per Pedersen as being players who have disgraced the famous blue and while halves.

All of them were poor and incurred the wrath of Rovers supporters but none more so than the inept Andrews.

Cue autistic poster coming to the defence of his relation / client.

What an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Andrews may not be a world beater and may not be everyones favourite but to suggest that a player signed for a relatively low transfer fee and being paid relatively low wages can be reviled more than some of your modern examples is insane.

Andrews has already scored more goals for Rovers than Grabbi, despite the latter being an expensive striker. Donis, Valery and Pedersen were big disappointments who disappeared into the ether and clearly weren't up for the battle. At least Andrews has stayed injury free and puts a shift in. He never brought expectations with him and therefore hasn't let anyone down.

I think of Richard Brown as more of a mascot who got the odd game than an actual player. He seemed to be hovering around the bench for ages in a non-playing/non-sub role. His reaction/celebration to Gordon Cowans free kick in the 7-1 demolition of Nowrwich was quality though.

[Atomicrover]

".....Grabbi, Donis, Valery and Per Pedersen as being players who have disgraced the famous blue and while halves. "

Blake, Unsal, The-Swedish-guy-Hodgson-brought-who-had-a-bad-back, Bothroyd - Good Grief, its frightening how much crap we've bought over the years!

[Ricky]

Per Pedersen retained Legend status after scoring a wonder goal past the Dingles in the Masters this year.

[bellamy11]

".....Grabbi, Donis, Valery and Per Pedersen as being players who have disgraced the famous blue and while halves. "

Blake, Unsal, The-Swedish-guy-Hodgson-brought-who-had-a-bad-back, Bothroyd - Good Grief, its frightening how much crap we've bought over the years!

Kaba Diawara.

Think you're being unfair on Unsal there. I always thought he was a very good player. Didn't he just get a bit homesick and want to go back to Turkey?

[alexanders]

Paul Ince's best signing!

A scoop !

[Amo]

Think you're being unfair on Unsal there. I always thought he was a very good player. Didn't he just get a bit homesick and want to go back to Turkey?

Yeah, he used us to get into Turkey's WC squad, but he still played well.

[47er]

What an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Andrews may not be a world beater and may not be everyones favourite but to suggest that a player signed for a relatively low transfer fee and being paid relatively low wages can be reviled more than some of your modern examples is insane.

Andrews has already scored more goals for Rovers than Grabbi, despite the latter being an expensive striker. Donis, Valery and Pedersen were big disappointments who disappeared into the ether and clearly weren't up for the battle. At least Andrews has stayed injury free and puts a shift in. He never brought expectations with him and therefore hasn't let anyone down.

I think of Richard Brown as more of a mascot who got the odd game than an actual player. He seemed to be hovering around the bench for ages in a non-playing/non-sub role. His reaction/celebration to Gordon Cowans free kick in the 7-1 demolition of Nowrwich was quality though.

In tems of his ability his transfer fee wasn't that cheap.But we are stuck with him and I'll be supporting him on Saturday--------particularly if he isn't picked! Wish this thread had never opened.

[Atomicrover]

Yeah, he used us to get into Turkey's WC squad, but he still played well.

Fair cop, he was never the same player after he got sent off against Brazil (I think - kicked/threw the ball at some guy and although it hit his lower body, he fell clutching his face?)

[Amo]

Fair cop, he was never the same player after he got sent off against Brazil (I think - kicked/threw the ball at some guy and although it hit his lower body, he fell clutching his face?)

Yeah, it was Rivaldo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgfRCa71Kmw

[roversmum]

I'm Keith Andrews

No you're jolly well not!

I am.

Oh, wait...

[jim mk2]

No you're jolly well not!

I am.

Oh, wait...

No you're not.

Here he is

(Jonnolad @ Sep 9 2009)

If he'd be honest and admit it.

Thinking back to other past figures of fun I remember an awful full back named Kopel we signed from ManU back in the 1960s. If I remember correctly I think we paid about £20,000 for him, which was alot of money for Rovers in those days.

Now he was bad, almost as bad as Andrews.

[waggy]

Thinking back to other past figures of fun I remember an awful full back named Kopel we signed from ManU back in the 1960s. If I remember correctly I think we paid about £20,000 for him, which was alot of money for Rovers in those days.

Now he was bad, almost as bad as Andrews.

i thought we got him from dundee utd

[jim mk2]

i thought we got him from dundee utd

We offloaded him to Dundee United in 1971.

[MCMC1875]

What an absolutely ridiculous statement.

Andrews may not be a world beater and may not be everyones favourite but to suggest that a player signed for a relatively low transfer fee and being paid relatively low wages can be reviled more than some of your modern examples is insane.

Andrews has already scored more goals for Rovers than Grabbi, despite the latter being an expensive striker. Donis, Valery and Pedersen were big disappointments who disappeared into the ether and clearly weren't up for the battle. At least Andrews has stayed injury free and puts a shift in. He never brought expectations with him and therefore hasn't let anyone down.

I think of Richard Brown as more of a mascot who got the odd game than an actual player. He seemed to be hovering around the bench for ages in a non-playing/non-sub role. His reaction/celebration to Gordon Cowans free kick in the 7-1 demolition of Nowrwich was quality though.

Didn't Richard Brown score at Prenton Park?

[T4E]

I'm Keith Andrews.

[Atomicrover]

Anyway, I'm pretty sure we used to say the same about Andy Todd, then he went away for a while and came back a super-defender, perhaps Keith has yet to release his latent talent I wish he would then we could move onto someone else to character assassinate..............

[Jonnolad]

You've lost the debate because more people still think he's @#/? than those that think he's good.

You haven't (to my knowledge anyway) changed anyones opinion of him.

Mods, can we have a vote on whether this poster should be banned?

Banned? For what? Being right

I think the crux of most people's problem here is that absolutely everything that has happened with good old Keith has contradicted their dire assessment of him. Change of management brought a prediction that he wouldn't feature; guess what happened though - he featured more under Sam than he did under Ince. Next prediction was he would be sold over summer - again a firm offer was categorically turned down and he's given a new contract to add insult to injury. Surely you've got to laugh (either that or get wound up like some people clearly are). I'll be honest though it would make me mad as well if my opinion was consistently and continually contradicted by not just our own manager but all the events that have occurred.

People are obviously still doing it now incidentally; every week they name the probable line up which usually doesn't feature Keith (sometimes not even on the bench), and then lo and behold there he is every week in the starting line up - that does make me chuckle

Sooner or later you have to face the fact that our manager rates Keith Andrews highly - so you then either have to question our own manager's judgement or your own. Which is it? At least Spencey7's opinion has logic - he doesn't rate Keith Andrews and he doesn't rate Allardyce. Most people though inhabit a strange limbo where they really rate Sam Allardyce as manager but presumably think he is completely and utterly boo-loo when it comes to Keith Andrews. Seeing him on the team sheet every week must drive them nuts. What's the best thing to do therefore....... why boo him of course

[Jonnolad]

To be honest Johnno you're doing more harm than good for the pro Keith camp, it's become more about you and others arguing wih you with childishness on both sides.

I totally appreciate that that's the case, that's probably why for long periods I don't post on here (I hadn't posted for almost 2 months on this thread until this week for instance). I've no doubt in fact that with many posters their dislike for me has most likely magnified their dislike of Keith - they almost certainly want him to not be picked / be sold / whatever just to prove me wrong. Some posters can't see past the Andrews thing even if it what I'm posting is a totally unrelated subject in fact.

In fairness though, if there was a pro Keith camp, then I really have been categorically it's most vocal member. I think part of the problem is that I was pretty much a newbie appearing and challenging very established board members though - that just isn't the done thing on messageboards. Messageboards are a big part of people's lives, cliques are always inherent, members don't want to be seen to lose face. members will almost always back anothers opinion over a newbie simply because of long standing association etc.

The problem is doubly worsened because cirmcimstances at each stage have unfortunately backed up my opinion - that undoubtably gets the back up of whoever you are debating against.

[S15]

Johnno..

Is Andrews a good passer?

Is Andrews a good tackler?

Is Andrews a good dribbler?

Is Andrews good in the air?

Is Andrews a good goalscorer?

Is Andrews a good play maker?

Is Andrews a good set piece player?

Answer all yes or no please, my answer to them all is no. Let's try and break this down, and simplify it for you shall we?

[bellamy11]

I totally appreciate that that's the case, that's probably why for long periods I don't post on here (I hadn't posted for almost 2 months on this thread until this week for instance). I've no doubt in fact that with many posters their dislike for me has most likely magnified their dislike of Keith - they almost certainly want him to not be picked / be sold / whatever just to prove me wrong. Some posters can't see past the Andrews thing even if it what I'm posting is a totally unrelated subject in fact.

In fairness though, if there was a pro Keith camp, then I really have been categorically it's most vocal member. I think part of the problem is that I was pretty much a newbie appearing and challenging very established board members though - that just isn't the done thing on messageboards. Messageboards are a big part of people's lives, cliques are always inherent, members don't want to be seen to lose face. members will almost always back anothers opinion over a newbie simply because of long standing association etc.

The problem is doubly worsened because cirmcimstances at each stage have unfortunately backed up my opinion - that undoubtably gets the back up of whoever you are debating against.

Are you genuinely suggesting that some people don't rate Keith Andrews because some established posters on here don't and you (a relatively new poster) do?

Keith Andrews being picked for the team does not necessarily make him a "good" player. He is merely an average one. A bottom-half-of-the-Prem midfielder. Nothing more, maybe slightly less. I'd expect him to look pretty good in the Championship now given his experience over the past year.

Your failing is that you believe that Sam/Trap/Woy liking Andrews and him not receiving terrible marks in newspaper reports is somehow proof of something. It is proof that he is doing his job - which is to fill in for our ridiculously injury-prone midfield when they've inevitably hurt themselves again.

What that doesn't prove is whether or not people believe him to be a good player. He could play for Brazil but that can't influence an opinion. You seem to be getting the concept of fact/opinion mixed up (much like JAL can't tell right from left).

[Jonnolad]

As opposed to "I shagged your mum".

But no, you haven't lost the debate at all.

Awww - I thought that was funny

He'd quoted me to show me that he had me on ignore and therefore couldn't read anything I put, so I put something daft which he couldn't read because I was on ignore. Don't get me wrong it's not going to win any awards for comedy but it was alright. I'm guessing you'd find it difficult to find anything I could put funny though, such are our opposing views on a thread on a messageboard on the internet Don't get me wrong I'm not gonna lose any sleep over this, but I'd hazard a guess that you'd actually find me a decent bloke if we were to meet down the pub. Hey ho though.

[Jonnolad]

Johnno..

Is Andrews a good passer?

Is Andrews a good tackler?

Is Andrews a good dribbler?

Is Andrews good in the air?

Is Andrews a good goalscorer?

Is Andrews a good play maker?

Is Andrews a good set piece player?

Answer all yes or no please, my answer to them all is no. Let's try and break this down, and simplify it for you shall we?

I'm guessing you think it's a no for most of them. In which case why in the name of beejesus didn't our manager sell him when he had chance, and why is he still getting starts for us?

Do you rate Allardyce as a manager. I'm guessing you do in pretty much everything apart from his assessment of Keith Andrews

[jim mk2]

Banned? For what? Being right

Hard to accept you're wrong eh ? Suppose that happens when you're ill.

For your information these are just some of the symptoms of autism :

• Tends to be a loner, like to be in their own little world
• Difficulties in structuring words into sentences
• Constantly repeating words or phrases
• Fascinated easily by a particular object (eg, poor footballers)

Recognise any of these traits ?

Most people though inhabit a strange limbo where they really rate Sam Allardyce as manager but presumably think he is completely and utterly boo-loo when it comes to Keith Andrews

What a load of @#/? this is.

Most people would say it is entirely normal for fans to support the manager (except Ince of course) but question his decisions over players and tactics. Fortunately normal people do not inhabit your black and white world.

You need help.

[bellamy11]

I'm guessing you think it's a no for most of them. In which case why in the name of beejesus didn't our manager sell him when he had chance, and why is he still getting starts for us?

Do you rate Allardyce as a manager. I'm guessing you do in pretty much everything apart from his assessment of Keith Andrews

But what do you think of these questions? He's not asking about Sam Allardyce's opinion!

[S15]

I'm guessing you think it's a no for most of them. In which case why in the name of beejesus didn't our manager sell him when he had chance, and why is he still getting starts for us?

Do you rate Allardyce as a manager. I'm guessing you do in pretty much everything apart from his assessment of Keith Andrews

Having difficulty answering the questions? You clearly have difficulties reading as I gave my opinions to the questions in my original post.