[Archived] Keith Andrews - Rovers Newest Signing

[waggy]

lets face it andrews will never be liked because ince signed him,what worrys me about folk on here lardarse and trappatoni pick him and they still hate him,watch who is centre midfield tomorrow folks

[Blue blood]

Reminds me a bit of Jonathan Douglas who played for us under Souness when we had that flirt with relegation. Every week people wouldn't put him in the team on the previews, and wondered what he brought to the team (in fact I'm still wondering) yet Souness decided to pick him.

Does this mean, as Souness rated him, that Douglas was a good player? Was every fan on this mb wrong to think he wasn't up to it? I'd say no he wasn't a good player and that when you look at the overall picture of his career you see that borne out. He did nothing before that, and he did nothing after that dropping down the leagues with Leeds and now Swindon. I think sometimes managers prefer players who they know, or who they think can do a specific job in a certain situation for them, and these things get the player elivated above their ability. Once this situation has passed, their careers drop back to their usual standard.

I think this is the case with Andrews - for a particular situation Sam prefers to go with the devil he knows so to speak. When the team outgrows this need, i.e. when we know we've either got 2/3 quality mids who are fit or not clogging up the wage bill, I think Andrews will drop back into obscurity. He did nothing before, and I suggest that when the fitness of Grella, Dunn and Reid is known, that Andrews will be on his way out.

A couple of final points:

1) I don't think his passing is good enough for an attacking midfielder. He breaks down far too many attacking moves. We've had worse passers, Matteo being the worst I've seen, but this doesn't matter so much for certain positions, defence, holding midfielder. Since Kieth can't tackle but body checks instead he's not a sitter so needs to pass better.

2) He NEVER should be booed. He's doing his best, which is more than can be said for a lot of players. Sure he's not good enough, but he gives it his all and plays to the best of his ability every week. If every player in our squad did that I'd hazard a guess we could challenge for top 4. You can fault the guy's ability but not his attitude. Booing him will not help, and is not warrented.

[spencey7]

At least Spencey7's opinion has logic - he doesn't rate Keith Andrews and he doesn't rate Allardyce. Most people though inhabit a strange limbo where they really rate Sam Allardyce as manager but presumably think he is completely and utterly boo-loo when it comes to Keith Andrews.

Indeed.

Most people would say it is entirely normal for fans to support the manager (except Ince of course) but question his decisions over players and tactics.

Most people...

...but not Sam Allardyce.

He's the expert.

Leave it to him.

[roversmum]

Will do

[jim mk2]

Critcising a Rovers player while he is on the pitch whether by booing jeering or as has just been said "giving another good rollicking" is a very strange way to act as a "Rovers fan".

Not strange at all. In fact, your post is illogical. Just because you boo a certain player doesn't mean you don't support the team. Don't you think fans boo certain players because they think the team is much weaker with that particular player in the side ? Many fans certainly think that is the case with Andrews.

Fans have always had their pet hate players, particularly at Ewood. And if you really want to hear fans booing players, try attending an England match.

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He's the expert.

Leave it to him.

Nonsense. Fans are entitled to express their feelings.

[67splitscreen]

Which they certainly do in this topic.

Over and over and over..............again.

[spencey7]

Nonsense. Fans are entitled to express their feelings.

I agree wholeheartedly. That quote came from Allardyce - not from me.

This must be an incredibly confusing situation for the Allardyce brigade... Keith Andrews is terrible, but is apparently one of the first names on the team sheet!

[S15]

I agree wholeheartedly. That quote came from Allardyce - not from me.

This must be an incredibly confusing situation for the Allardyce brigade... Keith Andrews is terrible, but is apparently one of the first names on the team sheet!

Spencey, I'll write this is capitals so it's dead easy for you...

THERE IS NO 'ALLARDYCE BRIGADE.''

It's just 90% of Rovers fans feel he is the right bloke to lead us considering the current financial restrictions at the club. That doesn't mean everyone thinks he is a flawless manager, who is always right. We just think he is the safest bet to keep us up at the moment.

DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, OR WOULD YOU LIKE IT SIMPLIFIED FURTHER?

[Fife Rover]

It's called autism.

Attention-seeking is another symptom.

And denial of it.

Serious question Jim. Do you know anything about autism? Why I ask is becuse I do know a great deal about it, and the various posts from Jonnolad DO NOT display any symptoms of that particular affliction. And further I take serious exception to people as ignorant of the subject as yourself coming on here and spouting about it as if you do know all about it.

Autism is a very sad and permanent affliction, as I know only too well by having a grandson who is autistic, and to see people like yourself talking absolute rubbish about it is very distressing. Please refrain from any further ill-advised remarks on this subject.

[spencey7]

It's just 90% of Rovers fans feel he is the right bloke to lead us considering the current financial restrictions at the club. That doesn't mean everyone thinks he is a flawless manager, who is always right. We just think he is the safest bet to keep us up at the moment.

DID YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, OR WOULD YOU LIKE IT SIMPLIFIED FURTHER?

I would actually...

How can the "safest bet to keep us up" also be the manager oblivious to playing The Single Worst Midfielder In The Premier League game-in, game-out?

And also, when did you conduct your poll to find that "90% of Rovers fans" feel as you do?

[TimmyJimmy]

Not strange at all. In fact, your post is illogical. Just because you boo a certain player doesn't mean you don't support the team.

Give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves, well done, you've disclosed something of you personality on this thread. I don't know you in real life but on that I count myself lucky. Your posts crossed the line a long time ago IMO, your accusations of autism I find disgraceful.

Speaking of 'illogical' - your words are self contradictory, a team is the sum of it's parts, it has no independent existence, boo a player and you boo the team.

You don't seem to enjoy much and I can't recall you ever saying anything positive about team or club. Simply nailing the the label 'fan' to your mast does not make you into one. It's got something to do with behavior and appreciation - perhaps a little relentless over optimism - fanatic !!

[S15]

I would actually...

How can the "safest bet to keep us up" also be the manager oblivious to playing The Single Worst Midfielder In The Premier League game-in, game-out?

And also, when did you conduct your poll to find that "90% of Rovers fans" feel as you do?

BECAUSE FOR THE LAST 6 MONTHS HE HAS BEEN OUR ONLY FULLY FIT CENTRAL MIDFIELDER, AND WE HAVEN'T ENOUGH MONEY TO SIGN ANYONE ELSE.

Tell you what Spencey, try this with regards to the 90%.. Read over this topic, and I bet for every poster you find agreeing with you, you'll find another nine who think you're a complete moron.

And answer this question please, if Allardyce wasn't/isn't the best man to keep us safe, then how come he took over when we were 5 points adrift of safety at Christmas, yet still kept us up by far more than 5 points?

Go on, just answer that question.

[tcj_jones]

Oh no, not Jonnolad AND Spencey! Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse, it does!

This thread is like bees to a honeypot! I used to enjoy putting in my twopennyworth in support of "Our Keith" but the fun has gone out of it. It seems that if you can't persuade the other party to accept your point of view, resort to personal insults.

No, if the other party repeats the same argument 74,000 times and regurgitates the same points over and over and over again and talks constantly in a sarcastic manner, THEN resort to personal insults.

[jim mk2]

Serious question Jim. Do you know anything about autism?

Yes I do. And thank you for the lecture.

[Fife Rover]

Deary me. If you check back through this thread on several occasions I've said I don't mind Keith Andrews, he seems like a decent bloke, and though he's a limited player he isn't as bad as people are saying he is. I'm hardly going to criticise your opinion on his attributes. IT'S AN OPINION.

I would genuinely be interested in your answer to shilitoe's questions. After all this is just a mb to discuss opinions. Here, to start off, I'll go first:

Is Andrews a good passer? Not bad. Think his passing is underrated and gives the ball away no more or less than anyone else.

Is Andrews a good tackler? No.

Is Andrews a good dribbler? No.

Is Andrews good in the air? No.

Is Andrews a good goalscorer? Pretty decent for a midfielder yes.

Is Andrews a good play maker? No.

Is Andrews a good set piece player? No.

Your turn.

At LONG last! A sensible and pretty much valid critism of Andrews as I see him while watching both carefully and critically and with NO axe to grind. If only other people would do the same and also recognise and report the faults of others in the same way, we would at least have a level and unbiased playing field to exchange opinions on. Obviously different people are going to have different opinions on any of the players, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this. What is utterly wrong is picking on a single player and after every single match he plays, coming on here and listing his every mistake and bad move/decision, whilst not applying the same thinking to all the players on the team.

Andrews seems to be just the latest unfortunate player to be picked on and pilloried after every match. In the recent past we have had the same sort of thing done to various others whose "turn" it was to be "public enemy No.1". We have had Emmerton, Pederson, Diouf, Mokoena, and others; the list just goes on and on. The only common theme in all of them is the singalling out of one player for a whole season or more to use as a general "Aunt Sally" to shoot at. It is completely ridiculous and grossly unfair, and says a lot about the ability of the perpetrators to think logically and fairly.

[spencey7]

And answer this question please, if Allardyce wasn't/isn't the best man to keep us safe, then how come he took over when we were 5 points adrift of safety at Christmas, yet still kept us up by far more than 5 points?

Go on, just answer that question.

Haha, so the ONLY manager who could have kept us up was Allardyce?? Complete, utter, total nonsense. Teams like Newcastle, Hull and Sunderland went into freefall last season, and that won't happen every year.

I've conducted a survey that says at least 60% of those inside Ewood Park against West Ham last weekend want Allardyce out. (It's as scientific - and as accurate - a barometer as your assertion.)

[This is the wrong thread for this discussion - Can we move this to the "Sam Allardyce" thread? I would have sent a PM to let you know about this, but I'm not deemed worthy of using the facility. So I have to annoy people by posting responses in the wrong thread. Apologies.]

[dixonbrfc]

lets face it andrews will never be liked because ince signed him,what worrys me about folk on here lardarse and trappatoni pick him and they still hate him,watch who is centre midfield tomorrow folks

thats boll*ks waggy, robinson was signed by ince and he has been one of our best recent signings, ince gave all his friends a job/pay rise, and the record sows that him and his cronies were not good enough! allardyce on the other hand draged us out the gutter with the same squad, just look at the facts waggy!

P.S im sorry for quoting waggy, it wont happen again!

[MCMC1875]

Has he got a decent Wag?

[MCMC1875]

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[jim mk2]

, a team is the sum of it's parts, it has no independent existence, boo a player and you boo the team.

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Read your post again. It's nonsense. There is no correlation between one player and the team. I believe the team is worse with Andrews as a member; I believe Rovers would be a stronger team without Andrews in it.

I support the team, not one player. Is that too difficult to understand ?

[Amo]

Truly staggering this thread, it really is.

I think darren Peacock was a really poor footballer, but he was regularly picked in the Premiership by Roy Hodgson and Kevin Keegan. both of whom presumably know more about football than me.

I'd be interested to hear what jonnolad thinks, am I in the wrong on this one and Darren was in fact a "Premiership class" defender, and not a poor player because Roy and Kevin regularly picked him to start?

This. You've won the entire thread.

Sam might well be the right man for the job at the moment, but it doesn't mean he is 100% perfect in his every decision (as proven last week against West Ham). Andrews keeps fit and runs around a lot. For the moment, he's the only midfielder who can do that without breaking down.

[tcj_jones]

Has he got a decent Wag?

Unless he's got a new one recently, then I wouldn't have thought so. He really does have a face only a mother could love and was plying his trade in the fourth tier of English football only eighteen months ago.

Then again, if Crouch can get a fitty, there's hope for our Keith yet!

[TimmyJimmy]

Read your post again. It's nonsense. There is no correlation between one player and the team. I believe the team is worse with Andrews as a member; I believe Rovers would be a stronger team without Andrews in it.

I support the team, not one player. Is that too difficult to understand ?

Way too difficult. You know I was just going to post a response to this rubbish and then became drained by the depressive pointlessness of it all and, quite frankly, I can't be arsed. There's none so blind that will not see, enjoy your booing and your insults, I hope it gives you the warm feeling of know it all superiority that you seek. Please put me on ignore as I am doing to you right now.

[AggyBlue]

I hope it gives you the warm feeling of know it all superiority that you seek.

Jim's not young enough to 'know it all'

[Stuart]

Agreed. What is the point of booing a player that is a decent bloke and has been picked to play in the team and is giving his best? It's not his fault he's been picked, don't blame him, he's wearing the blue and white and he deserves full support. Anything less is deriding the club itself and letting it down.

Here, here.

If people have to pass judgement wait until the game is over at least.