[Archived] 2 Million Unemployed By Christmas

[scotchrover]

Well the one of Labours last couple of strong points of been able to offer jobs to the country has gone.Labour used to shout the Tory's down for the record down on unemployment in parliment for the 3million unemployed however this will no longer be the case.

What ever happened to the proper Labour party?

[Billy Castell]

Great. And I'm looking for a job right now.

[broadsword]

Maybe they can recruit them all to the civil service?

[BiggusLaddus]

We had ten years of unprecedented growth and now after six months of slow down (we are only just stagnating and not yet in recession) we are deeply in the brown sticky stuff.

A few simple questions for Mr Brown:

Where did all the money go Prudence?

Where are all those billions of pounds that were raided from private pension funds?

Why did you sell off our gold reserves at the bottom of the market?

Why do we spend £84bn a year on welfare (not including the NHS) and only £68bn a year on education?

[blue phil]

Considering all our kids are geniuses and pass every examination wih consumate ease maybe we can afford to cut that £68 billion ......

[Flopsy]

[thenodrog]

Unemployment figures can never be accurate now that the govt hardly counts any of the under 21's but puts them on worthless courses at the local college of knowledge in order to classify them as students.

[Flopsy]

also all the graduates who finished Uni this year can sign on now

[colin]

Maybe they can recruit them all to the civil service?

Doubt it Bryan,

30% cut in numbers at our place over the past 2 years. Another 15% over the next 12 months.

And Mr Brown has inherited the Thatcherite notion of if our pay is restricted to 2% & below the rate of inflation, then it will set a good example. Yeh!

Whinge whine mumble groan.................

In other words not much recruitment into the (un)Civil Service these days.

[broadsword]

Was being tongue-in-cheek Mr C.

Sorry to hear it's not going too well at your place, keep your head down!

I'm working abroad right now, wouldn't feel like i had much job security if I was working in the UK.

[yoda]

Well the one of Labours last couple of strong points of been able to offer jobs to the country has gone.Labour used to shout the Tory's down for the record down on unemployment in parliment for the 3million unemployed however this will no longer be the case.

What ever happened to the proper Labour party?

Simple, they got elected!

[jim mk2]

Ooops ... wrong thread.

£68bn wasted.

[scotchrover]

Renationalise the gas, water, electric and oil in and around uk companies to protect the customer from price rises.

Cut the price of fuel duty

hike up tax on the millionaires that pay hardly any tax

bring the boys out Iraq and afganistan to stop the £27 billion budget overdraft we have.

Scrap HIPS-Housing info packs

Provide tax breaks

This will get the economy moving again

Just found out Labour are in charge of the council with For Darwen

[broadsword]

Renationalise the gas, water, electric and oil in and around uk companies to protect the customer from price rises.

1. Where will the money come from for that?

2. Why do you think it will protect the consumer from price rises? We don't have enough gas storage facilities in the UK, which is why we're getting ripped off.

[dave birch]

Renationalise the gas, water, electric and oil in and around uk companies to protect the customer from price rises.

Cut the price of fuel duty

hike up tax on the millionaires that pay hardly any tax

Provide tax breaks

This will get the economy moving again

This has some connection with what we are experiencing in NSW at the moment. Our erstwhile Labor government (yes, that's spelt correctly) is trying to sell our electricity producers. It is causing mayhem, and looks like said Treasurer will depart the political stage, due to the people objecting to the sale. It's felt that certain "basic" utilities,like water, electricity, etc should be provided by the state, rather than be at the whim of a profit making organisation.

I've got no problems with 'fuel duty" that is something that can be got around, and should be considered a luxury, There is an alternative.

Tax on milionaires, well, if they have got their wealth by their own endeavours, then good luck to them, but only if they have created employment. If they made their wealth by exploitation, without production, then hit them.

Why provide tax breaks, it's better for certain people that money they earn is put away for them in later life. We have a system here that at the moment 9% of peoples pay is put into a superannuation fund for them when they retire. I know that many of you are gioing to say, the Goverment ripped off funds etc, but these are funds out of the control of any government, they are essentially private funds.

[Billy Castell]

Problem with taxing the really rich is that they p_ss off to Jersey/Switzerland or some other tax havens, set up some sort of shell company or whatever they're called, and effectively give themselves interest free loans. It happens here, and with the internet and other ways of communicating it'll happen in Australia. The only way to get a rich person's money is to kill them, or beat them up until they agree to transfer all assets to state control. Governments outside Russia are reluctant to do this for some reason...............

[thenodrog]

hike up tax on the millionaires that pay hardly any tax

I'll wager that they pay far more tax than you!

So really they should be demanding that you pay more so that the tax burden is fair and equal for everybody.

[Sandiway Blue]

1. Where will the money come from for that?

2. Why do you think it will protect the consumer from price rises? We don't have enough gas storage facilities in the UK, which is why we're getting ripped off.

I`m sure they could re-brand the married mans allowance/child tax credit and leave a 12 month gap between starting the next scheme,therefore creaming approx £500 off every household in Britain.

After all they have done it before.

[colin]

I'll wager that they pay far more tax than you!

So really they should be demanding that you pay more so that the tax burden is fair and equal for everybody.

You'll lose that wager then.

Very rich people employ accountants & tax advisors (often ex-HMC&R staff) to avoid (rather then evade) taxes.

This is simply not an option for the (wo)man on the Darwen omnibus. You & I pay our taxes on our (for example) £25k income per year as requested. The rich opt out by every means possible.

And don't get me started on the inequities of National Insurance contributions.

[blue phil]

HERE is a link highlighting the problem of tax avoidance by both individuals and , more importantly , companies .

The government isn't in an envious position . If they clamp down then people and companies vote with their feet . A number of large companies are already threatening to move abroad if the corporation tax isn't "reviewed" shortly .

But that's the system , and those who support the mass movement of workers into the UK from all over the globe can hardly complain if "British" high income workers and companies do the same to escape conditions here .

[thenodrog]

You'll lose that wager then.

Very rich people employ accountants & tax advisors (often ex-HMC&R staff) to avoid (rather then evade) taxes.

Course they do and why ever not? I'd wager you would too given the same situation Colin. btw I think the word that you are looking for is not avoid or evade but rather 'minimise'.

BUT ....

1. Those acctnts and ta's pay tax on those earnings. So indirectly tax is paid.

2. Wealthy people will in general personally spend more so more VAT, stamp duty, car tax / fuel duty, council tax etc and the big kicker of course death duties. New labour has made 'trust funds' less favourable for the 'medium' rich so a person dying who leaves estate of around a million pounds will generate in the region of 250,000 in death duties, payable by the beneficiaries. Thats 50 years worth of someone on your 25k pa paying 5 grand tax pa and leaving diddly squat to the state when they croak.

3. Most wealthy people will choose to pay for private health treatment and private education, effectively paying twice for those services and in turn relieving the burden on education and the health service and leaving more in the pot for those unable / unwilling to pay. Two kids paid through private education will easily add up to a sum well in excess of 100k.

Just as an aside though why do you expect a minority to subsidise the lives of the majority? Could you be happy, indeed would your own self esteem be content knowing that you are not paying your way through life but rather dependent on somebody else? Particularly somebody else from a sector of society that you probably despise for their success.

btw "Very rich people employ accountants & tax advisors (often ex-HMC&R staff) " What steps would you take to prevent that recurring? Is it not down to ludicrous early retirement packages made available to those staff?

[broadsword]

But that's the system , and those who support the mass movement of workers into the UK from all over the globe can hardly complain if "British" high income workers and companies do the same to escape conditions here .

Not sure about the English but I remember reading that the Poles are leaving (don't get many zloty's to the pound now).

The only currency the pound is doing well against is the dollar.

But oh well, at least boom and bust have been eliminated!

[BiggusLaddus]

Even the dollar is making gains against us now (while still falling against everything else).

[jim mk2]

Course they do and why ever not? I'd wager you would too given the same situation Colin. btw I think the word that you are looking for is not avoid or evade but rather 'minimise'.

Evade is correct : the rich resent paying any tax.

BUT ....

1. Those acctnts and ta's pay tax on those earnings. So indirectly tax is paid.

Of course they bleedin' do you twerp : everyone has to pay tax.

2. Wealthy people will in general personally spend more so more VAT, stamp duty, car tax / fuel duty, council tax etc and the big kicker of course death duties. New labour has made 'trust funds' less favourable for the 'medium' rich so a person dying who leaves estate of around a million pounds will generate in the region of 250,000 in death duties, payable by the beneficiaries. Thats 50 years worth of someone on your 25k pa paying 5 grand tax pa and leaving diddly squat to the state when they croak.

Death duties or inheritance is a voluntary tax. Everyone knows that. Anyhoo, according to latest reports your Tory boys are planning to give everyone a £1m interitance allowance. No mention of how they are going to fund it of course.

3. Most wealthy people will choose to pay for private health treatment and private education, effectively paying twice for those services and in turn relieving the burden on education and the health service and leaving more in the pot for those unable / unwilling to pay. Two kids paid through private education will easily add up to a sum well in excess of 100k.

That's their choice : no one forces them to "pay twice". Don't know which world you live in but I think you'll find average private school fees are in excess of £10k a year so two kids through the private system from prep to 18 would cost about £250k including all the extras.

Just as an aside though why do you expect a minority to subsidise the lives of the majority? Could you be happy, indeed would your own self esteem be content knowing that you are not paying your way through life but rather dependent on somebody else? Particularly somebody else from a sector of society that you probably despise for their success.

I expect Colin counts himself among your "majority", I would expect that his self-esteem is fine and I would also expect that like the majority he has paid for everything in his life through his own hard work and that anything he has achieved is down to himself and not dependent on any one else. You really do write some cr*p.

btw "Very rich people employ accountants & tax advisors (often ex-HMC&R staff) " What steps would you take to prevent that recurring? Is it not down to ludicrous early retirement packages made available to those staff?

Pay the tax people and all public sector workers a decent wage funded by introducing a new tax eg, on the number of toilets per household. Good ruse that - probably pay off the national debt too.

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3. Most wealthy people will choose to pay for private health treatment and private education, effectively paying twice for those services and in turn relieving the burden on education and the health service and leaving more in the pot for those unable / unwilling to pay. Two kids paid through private education will easily add up to a sum well in excess of 100k.

All well and good, but those people paying the ridiculous fees for private healthcare and education also lead to the private system 'siphoning' off the best, and therefore highest paid, doctors and teachers. So they are paying twice, but getting the best.

Which would the NHS rather have, a top doctor or the 'tax' from someone whos income is technically only 20k a year (but real income is 200k in dividends higher)?